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Holder Lied: DOJ News Release Shows Obama Admin Approved ATF Mexico Weapons Smuggling
Salem-News.com ^ | Jul-09-2011 | Tim King

Posted on 07/10/2011 10:43:38 AM PDT by loucon

Attorney General Eric Holder at the Mexico/United States Arms Trafficking Conference in CUERNAVACA, MEXICO Thursday, April 2, 2009

Last week, our administration launched a major new effort to break the backs of the cartels. My department is committing 100 new ATF personnel to the Southwest border in the next 100 days to supplement our ongoing Project Gunrunner, DEA is adding 16 new positions on the border, as well as mobile enforcement teams, and the FBI is creating a new intelligence group focusing on kidnapping and extortion. DHS is making similar commitments, as Secretary Napolitano will detail.

But as today’s conference has emphasized, the problem of arms trafficking will not be stopped at the border alone. Rather, as our experts emphasized, this is a problem that must be met as part of a comprehensive attack against the cartels – an attack in depth, on both sides of the border, that focuses on the leadership and assets of the cartel...[2]

(Excerpt) Read more at salem-news.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Government; Mexico; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: atf; aztlan; banglist; castaway; dea; doj; falseflag; fastandfurious; fbi; gunrunner; gunwalker; hispeople; holder; holderlied; lies; melson; mexico; obama
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To: djf
Sounds like Zero knew. Did the acting ATF director change when Obama got elected?

Melson was hired in April '09 just a few months after Holder and DAG Ogden described the changes to Gunrunner.

41 posted on 07/10/2011 2:08:04 PM PDT by TigersEye (Wranglers not Levis. Levi Strauss is anti-2nd Amendment.)
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To: TigersEye

I know.
I’m pointing out that while he his noting the transition, his comments do not contain admission that the guns in question would be released uncontrolled - which is the criminal act. What he said can be construed as just increasing what is presumably legal investigations.


42 posted on 07/10/2011 2:10:45 PM PDT by ctdonath2
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To: Durus

See post #40.


43 posted on 07/10/2011 2:12:06 PM PDT by TigersEye (Wranglers not Levis. Levi Strauss is anti-2nd Amendment.)
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To: ctdonath2

But he describes operational parameters and funding that are known to be specifically part of F&F not Gunrunner which puts him pretty close to admitting he knew the exact changes down to allowing guns to cross the border. See the second link in post #39 and listen to DAG Ogden detail it even more, at about the same time as Holder’s speech in Mexico, where he names 0bama as ordering this new phase of Gunrunner, later to become known as F&F, and he names Holder as well.


44 posted on 07/10/2011 2:17:10 PM PDT by TigersEye (Wranglers not Levis. Levi Strauss is anti-2nd Amendment.)
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To: faucetman

See post #40 and subsequent posts. There is a good reason they are both conflated. They are related.


45 posted on 07/10/2011 2:18:52 PM PDT by TigersEye (Wranglers not Levis. Levi Strauss is anti-2nd Amendment.)
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To: djf
>>I’m getting a bit tired of all the satire that gets posted...<<

Same here. With thing that are really happening that not too long ago would have been considered satire it’s time to keep things real. There’s a flap going on right now about a piece that was satire that some took to be truth.

46 posted on 07/10/2011 2:23:23 PM PDT by CynicalBear
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To: CynicalBear

I wish there was a way to have our settings be everything BUT SATIRE AND BLOGS!!!!


47 posted on 07/10/2011 3:03:11 PM PDT by djf ("Life is never fair...And perhaps it is a good thing for most of us that it is not." Oscar Wilde)
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To: TigersEye

“pretty close”

Aye, there’s the rub.
It’s why whatshername is free and not facing execution.


48 posted on 07/10/2011 3:15:27 PM PDT by ctdonath2
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To: ctdonath2
I assume you're speaking of the case where they had no direct evidence. Since we don't know how many have been deposed under oath regarding F&F, and it's still very early in Issa's investigation for any testimony under oath, we have no idea how much direct evidence there is or will be.

What we do have is a DAG who publically connected 0bama and Holder with specific descriptions that can only be a part of F&F which gives us the certainty that they lied about knowing about it. All that is necessary to tie it together is one person's testimony or a document that Holder and/or 0bama were briefed on the specifics of ignoring the straw buyer's purchases.

We know without doubt now that 0bama ordered the program, Holder spoke about the program and they both lied about knowing about the program. Anyone clinging to the thread that they can deny that they knew more details, the damning details, and that no one can directly contradict that is holding on to a single strand of silk thread.

49 posted on 07/10/2011 3:27:58 PM PDT by TigersEye (Wranglers not Levis. Levi Strauss is anti-2nd Amendment.)
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To: loucon
The national MSM, every local news paper, and every local television station should have coverage on this story. This needs to be brought to a head, and then lanced.


50 posted on 07/10/2011 5:37:11 PM PDT by archy (I'd give my right arm to be ambidextrous!)
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To: TigersEye
But he describes operational parameters and funding that are known to be specifically part of F&F not Gunrunner which puts him pretty close to admitting he knew the exact changes down to allowing guns to cross the border.

Yep. All part of the Merida Initiative.

Which goes well beyond just the BATFE and Justice Department. Higher.

51 posted on 07/10/2011 5:40:52 PM PDT by archy (I'd give my right arm to be ambidextrous!)
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To: LucyT

While I’m at it here’s another one I had open.


52 posted on 07/10/2011 8:08:42 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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Article, then see # 38.

[Now what?]

53 posted on 07/10/2011 8:41:25 PM PDT by LucyT
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To: Logical me
If you think this is going to happen, you will be disappointed.
54 posted on 07/10/2011 8:43:45 PM PDT by verity (The Obama Administration is a Criminal Enterprise.)
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55 posted on 07/10/2011 8:55:00 PM PDT by MestaMachine (Guns don't kill people, the obama administration does. (Gunwalker Ping List))
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56 posted on 07/10/2011 8:55:33 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Yes, as a matter of fact, it is that time again -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: LucyT
[Now what?]

Call for Holder's head.

57 posted on 07/10/2011 9:02:14 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: All

For reference.

David Codrea:
MISCONCEPTIONS...

A lot of them are out there concerning Gunrunner, like finding the Ogden video and the $10M funding are proof Obama ordered guns walked. No—those are only proof that a known project was authorized by the government—not in secret, but with press releases and everything.

GUNRUNNER has been well known. For a long time. See those “Journalist Guide” icons in the left margin of my WarOnGuns blog? Guess where I got the cover art to modify from? And Gunrunner is NOT synonymous with Fast and Furious—that was a component strategy presented as a sting op. that turned out to be something else.

Mike and I are concerned with gunWALKING—where the stated mission was deviated from with the criminal conspiracy we now see unfolding.

Suddenly I am being hit with a wave of tips about the old known stuff like it’s being discovered for the first time—for many, I’m sure it is. I don’t know if the genesis of that originates from people not knowing the history of this and jumping in to be helpful and spread the word, or if there is intent to sow confusion and misdirection.

Either way, it does not help, and can actually hurt. A lot.

Continue reading on Examiner.com Rediscovered information on Project Gunrunner leading to misconceptions - National gun rights | Examiner.com http://www.examiner.com/gun-rights-in-national/rediscovered-infomration-on-project-gunrunner-leading-to-misconceptions#ixzz1RlQ1GECr


58 posted on 07/10/2011 9:04:12 PM PDT by MestaMachine (Guns don't kill people, the obama administration does. (Gunwalker Ping List))
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To: loucon

How far can the Repubs go with this ? when their Chief started the program in 2005 ?!?

Did Obozo just enhance the existing program or morph it into something totally different ?!


59 posted on 07/11/2011 5:53:02 AM PDT by urtax$@work (The only kind of memorial is a Burning memorial !)
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To: urtax$@work
Under the Bush administration a program to track via electronic devices was used to allow sale of specifically trackable weapons and then interdict the purchasers BEFORE the weapons made it across the border. Democrats (the Rodhamster and barry bastard, to name two) made a big stink about how 80% of the weapons being used by the cartels were from America, and media whoredom echoed these false stats. The stats were shown to be completely false.

Then, in 2009, barry bassturd and holder the magnificent changed the Bush admin program so that weapons not traceable were not only allowed to be sold to cartel buyers but the dealers were told to let the weaponry loose! That means thousands of weapons were purchased and 'walked' to cartel members in mexico, without traceability, and subsequently used to kill hundreds of Mexicans and at least two U.S. agents. But wait, there's more! The Holder administration of this guns to cartel members used American taxpayer dollars to help purchase weaponry which made their way across into Mexico! Now, having been caught trying to creat a crisis so they can exploit it for gun control in the U.S., the liars of the barry bassturd administration are trying to conflate the Bush program and the changed program under Holder and Obama. Don't let them

60 posted on 07/11/2011 10:17:37 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Some, believing they can't be deceived, it's nigh impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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