'God the Father' Banished by Mainline Ddenomination

WorldNetDaily ^ | July 5, 2011 | Bob Unruh

[Cronos]

sigh, beside your cult's lack of any knowledge on Biblical, historical facts or foreign languages, it is increasingly apparent that English too is troublesome for your cult your blind in one eye

[Iscool]

Like your cult, this cult also seems to believe that Jesus was just a man, not God, that Jesus was a crucified man sent as a Savior -- not God according to this cult and yours

A Risen Savior...

Nope...The statement was that God is IN Jesus, not just a mere man who became a Savior...

"In Jesus Christ, the man of Nazareth, our crucified and risen Savior, you have come to us and shared our common lot, conquering sin and death and reconciling the world to yourself."

I don't believe the statement is saying what you claim it is saying...

[Cronos]

Risen by whose power? Christ rose by His own power as God, he was not raised from the dead like lazarus

We believe Christ IS God, not a mode of God nor a created being

[dangus]

But in fairness, Cronos, isn’t it the Presbyterian way to constantly splinter into ever smaller groups and accuse the former group of apostasy? After all, even Joseph Smith formerly a Presbyterian.

[Cronos]

You can have your creed...I'll stick with God's spoken/written words, the scripture...

What about this creed:

III. In the unity of the Godhead there be three Persons of one substance, power, and eternity: God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Ghost.[38] The Father is of none, neither begotten nor proceeding; the Son is eternally begotten of the Father; [39] the Holy Ghost eternally proceeding from the Father and the Son. [40]

[Cronos]

yes, a split a day to get purer — I guess that’s why J. Smith split to form the OPC, oops

[lightman]

iscool to lightman: Let me guess; you are a Catholic...

We would warmly welcome you, lightman!

I already am, with a small "c".

Most of us in the STS consider us to be evangelical catholics....remember, 21 of 28 Articles in the Augsburg Confession of A.D. 1530 are sections in which we are in agreement.

[Cronos]

Small c or not, you’re one of the truly religious guys

[Cronos]

Joseph Smith or Gresham Machen — both cult-founders.

[Iscool]

Risen by whose power? Christ rose by His own power as God, he was not raised from the dead like lazarus

Rom 8:11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.

Ummm...You are wrong again...But don't let the scriptures get in the way of your theology...

We believe Christ IS God, not a mode of God nor a created being

It doesn't much matter what you guys believe...What's important is , What does God say...

[Cronos]

No, I am not wrong -- Jesus Christ is God, no matter what your post tries to claim

As I said:

cronos: We believe Christ IS God, not a mode of God nor a created being

iscool: It doesn't much matter what you guys believe..

and thanks for admitting it finally -- we Christians will keep believeing Christ IS God -- whatever your cult wants to believe, go ahead...

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guys -- bookmarks this as the revelation of iscool's cult's beliefs

[Iscool]

III. In the unity of the Godhead there be three Persons of one substance, power, and eternity: God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Ghost.[38] The Father is of none, neither begotten nor proceeding; the Son is eternally begotten of the Father; [39] the Holy Ghost eternally proceeding from the Father and the Son. [40]

Your creed does not supersede the scriptures...What your creed leaves out is that while they are three, they are one...

I got what I got from the scriptures...You got what you got from some fallen sinner who wrote a creed and your religion told you to believe it...

[Cronos]

Cronos: *posting from The Westminster Confession of Faith*III. In the unity of the Godhead there be three Persons of one substance, power, and eternity: God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Ghost.[38] The Father is of none, neither begotten nor proceeding; the Son is eternally begotten of the Father; [39] the Holy Ghost eternally proceeding from the Father and the Son. [40]

Iscool: Your creed does not supersede the scriptures...What your creed leaves out is that while they are three, they are one...

I got what I got from the scriptures...You got what you got from some fallen sinner who wrote a creed and your religion told you to believe it...

Interesting -- so your post, Iscool says that the Calvinists are wrong to have the Westminister Confession of faith.... thank you for telling us this, iscool

[aruanan]

cronos: We believe Christ IS God, not a mode of God nor a created being

When God spoke to Moses face to face, as a man speaks to his friend (Exodus 33:11), he was seeing the Son, the second person of the trinity. Or else Jesus was mistaken or lying when he said that no man has ever seen God the Father, only the Son ("No man hath seen God at any time, the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him." John 1:18)

[Cronos]

the waswarm cult has been trolling Christian threads attacking us Christians for too long

[Titanites]

After all, even Joseph Smith formerly a Presbyterian.

I didn't realize that.

[dangus]

Actually, Iscool, the Nicean creed doesn't leave that out at all: "I believe in one God... I believe in Jesus Christ, His only Son, God from God, Light from Light, True God from True God, One in being with the Father... I believe in the Holy Spirit... who with the Father and Son is worshipped together."

[Iscool]

OK...

[dangus]

Actually, I withdraw that comment.

Smith was raised a Congregationalist, but not necessarily a Presbyterian; in fact, his paternal grandfather was a Unitarian. I’d read of his Congregationalism, and read him denounce of Presbyterianism, and drew an unwarranted conclusion: that he had singled out Presbyterianism because he was most familiar with it.

[dangus]

Actually, I withdraw that comment.

Smith was raised a Congregationalist, but not necessarily a Presbyterian; in fact, his paternal grandfather was a Unitarian. I’d read of his Congregationalism, and read him denounce of Presbyterianism, and drew an unwarranted conclusion: that he had singled out Presbyterianism because he was most familiar with it. Turns out that he dabbled in several denominations, including Methodist, but joined none.

You can see where it SOUNDS like he’s coming from a Presbyterianism background: He reports telling his mother, upon supposedly receiving his visions: “I have learned for myself that Presbyterianism is untrue.” Why single out Presbyterianism in this way?