Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Public schools see paradox of lower funding, higher test scores
Sacramento Bee ^ | 7/2/11 | Diana Lambert and Phillip Reese

Posted on 07/04/2011 2:10:43 PM PDT by SmithL

It's a trend that would seem to defy conventional wisdom: As public school spending has declined in California in recent years, student achievement test scores have gone up.

Statewide, school districts spent 6 percent less from 2008 to 2010, but the percentage of second- to seventh-grade students scoring proficient on the state's standardized English test rose from 48 percent to 55 percent.

In the Sacramento region, the same held true. School districts in the four-county region cut annual spending by about $120 million, or 4.4 percent, from 2008 to 2010, hampered by the lousy economy and state funding cuts. That translates to a 1 percent cut per student. But during that same period, their state achievement test scores improved – a lot.

The percentage of area second- through seventh-graders, for instance, scoring proficient or advanced in English jumped from 53 percent to 59 percent, while the portion scoring proficient or above in math went from 57 percent to 62 percent.

So, are educators finding ways to do more with less? Has student learning been largely unaffected by the spending cuts? The reviews are mixed.

(Excerpt) Read more at sacbee.com ...


TOPICS: Editorial; Government; US: California
KEYWORDS: conventionalwisdom; education; goldenstate; publiceduaction; publiceducation; publicschools; school; yourtaxdollarsatwork
Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-2021-4041-57 next last
Sorry this one is late. I was out of town when this was first published.
1 posted on 07/04/2011 2:10:48 PM PDT by SmithL
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]


2 posted on 07/04/2011 2:11:17 PM PDT by SmithL
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: SmithL

It would be interesting to see a detailed breakdown for where those spending cuts are being made; my guess is that it’s a lot of the fluff, leaving the teachers to focus more on the remaining core subjects.


3 posted on 07/04/2011 2:13:31 PM PDT by Oceander (The phrase "good enough for government work" is not meant as a compliment)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: SmithL
Public schools make kids dumb. Less spending, less public school "assistance" means smarter kids.

This is a surprise?

4 posted on 07/04/2011 2:14:57 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy (The USSR spent itself into bankruptcy and collapsed -- and aren't we on the same path now?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Oceander

Liberals are so amazing when they “discover” conservative principles, and treat them as if nobody ever thought that way. Ever.


5 posted on 07/04/2011 2:16:04 PM PDT by C210N (0bama, Making the US safe for Global Marxism)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: SmithL
Test scores are going up because the teachers are teaching to the tests, thanks to No Child Left Behind.

They are not teaching like they did in the "olden days". More kids entering college nowadays are taking remedial classes.

6 posted on 07/04/2011 2:19:20 PM PDT by muleskinner
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: SmithL

It’s fitting that this article and the one directly above it are together.


7 posted on 07/04/2011 2:19:20 PM PDT by Graybeard58
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: SmithL

Is that fireworks I hear or is it the sound of union heads exploding?


8 posted on 07/04/2011 2:20:57 PM PDT by Lorianne
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: SmithL
Who knows what, if anything, this means.

It's possible the tests are easier, that they have added systemic fudging [like the SATs,] that teachers are cheating, that fewer at-risk students are staying in school and ruining the experience for everybody else, that poorer teachers are being culled by attrition, that fewer immigrant children who don't speak English are coming into the system because of the economy ... or that all or dozens of other factors, including actual improvement are at work.

The one thing we do know from this -- and it is not new, but has been known since Coleman's pioneering study in the 1960's and reaffirmed repeatedly in the intervening half-century since then: There is no relationship between educational costs and educational outcomes. None. So, indeed, there is no paradox here, except to teachers' unions demanding ever more money to "improve" education.

Money spent doesn't correlate to outcomes. Learn it.

9 posted on 07/04/2011 2:26:01 PM PDT by FredZarguna (At night, Mom crammed all twelve of us into a bread box to sleep; and we were happy to have one!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: SmithL

Two factors that may play a role in this change could include:

First, a reduced rate of school enrollment for the children of illegals as the California economy, particularly in farming areas, hits the skids.

And second, this may also reveal the normal effects of linguistic assimilation of all kinds of immigrants over time. Hopefully, the melting pot still works...


10 posted on 07/04/2011 2:29:35 PM PDT by earglasses (I was blind, and now I hear...)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: muleskinner
Test scores are going up because the teachers are teaching to the tests, thanks to No Child Left Behind.

Exactly. I have a family member who is a teacher in CA, and this is why her school suddenly became focused on measurable learning and not on the other nonsense.

People on FR criticized Bush heavily for this, but it will probably prove to be one of the most effective things he did. Some states, such as Florida, did it individually, but even for those states that did not, the No Child Left Behind standards made them at least try to get all their kids up to par.

Also, it proves that teaching comes from a teacher, not from a billion wierd programs. And it really comes from a teacher who has a defined objective and knows what is expected of him or her and is not trying to satisfy vague requirements such as "self esteem."

11 posted on 07/04/2011 2:29:42 PM PDT by livius
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: SmithL

“...but the percentage of second- to seventh-grade students scoring proficient on the state’s standardized English test rose from 48 percent to 55 percent.”

Perhaps the schools cannot afford to keep teaching their kids in Spanish?


12 posted on 07/04/2011 2:30:08 PM PDT by BobL (PLEASE READ: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2657811/posts)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: SmithL

...and for math, perhaps they cannot afford the software that allows kids to be Zombies all day, and instead are forced to make them actually do problems, on PENCIL AND PAPER.


13 posted on 07/04/2011 2:31:15 PM PDT by BobL (PLEASE READ: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2657811/posts)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: wintertime

Ping! Finally a correlation between school spending and student achievement.

No surprise to us people that UNDERSTAND public schools.


14 posted on 07/04/2011 2:32:25 PM PDT by BobL (PLEASE READ: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2657811/posts)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: SmithL
Of the 4 counties listed, the average $7863.50 per-student cost works out to $157,270 per 20-student class. (If you use the district-wide figure, it's over $160,000.)

Since teachers keep telling us how underpaid they are, let's assume for simplicity that the teacher's salary is $57,000 of that. Where is the other $100,000 per classroom being spent each year?

15 posted on 07/04/2011 2:34:28 PM PDT by Bob
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: earglasses

It reflects the fact that California dropped bilingual ed. These classes were not just in Spanish, but in virtually every other language you could think of, and the classes segregated kids out, subjected them to “teaching” from barely literate aides whose only qualification was that they knew the primary language (sort of - all those I met were uneducated and ungrammatical speakers of their native language). Basically, bilingual ed ensured ignorance in two languages.

But states were really dedicated to this. In New York, the family of a child with a Spanish last name had to sue to keep her out of the bilingual class she had been assigned to. Nobody in the family had spoken Spanish for two generations.

The whole objective of bilingual ed and keeping immigrants separate is to keep them prisoners of the Democratic Party.


16 posted on 07/04/2011 2:36:23 PM PDT by livius
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 10 | View Replies]

To: SmithL

Figures lie and liars figure.


17 posted on 07/04/2011 2:37:01 PM PDT by Nonstatist
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: muleskinner
Test scores are going up because the teachers are teaching to the tests, thanks to No Child Left Behind.

If the tests measure what the students are supposed to be learning, how can a teacher not teach material that's going to be on the test?

18 posted on 07/04/2011 2:38:53 PM PDT by Bob
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: Bob

special education funding.

Otherwise known as “unfunded mandates”

It is a slippery - unpredictable number, so districts are forced to pad the budget just in case a certain number of families move into the district that may require thousand and thousands of dollars in “services” per year.


19 posted on 07/04/2011 2:40:28 PM PDT by Scotswife
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 15 | View Replies]

To: Nonstatist

California is still 57th among the states in the category of educational achievement.


20 posted on 07/04/2011 2:44:29 PM PDT by 386wt
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 17 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-2021-4041-57 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson