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Poll: 4 in 10 see 'permanent decline'
Politico ^ | 2011-06-30 | Jennifer Epstein

Posted on 07/01/2011 1:26:03 PM PDT by rabscuttle385

Nearly 4 in 10 Americans say they think the economy is in permanent decline, a new polls shows as deep pessimism about the economy becomes more widespread.

Thirty-nine percent of those surveyed for a New York Times/CBS News poll released late Wednesday say they see the economy headed on a downward path - significantly worse than when the question was last asked in October and 28 percent of Americans said the economy was in permanent decline.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 112th; bho44; bipartisan; bushlegacy; default; economy; financialcrisis; obamanomics; obamasfault; shtf; teotwawki; unemployment
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1 posted on 07/01/2011 1:26:09 PM PDT by rabscuttle385
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To: rabscuttle385

Time to get rid of a so called leader. We are being led down a rat hole and he knows it.


2 posted on 07/01/2011 1:28:18 PM PDT by RC2
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To: rabscuttle385

Obama was unavailable for comment due to his exhausting golfing and and fundraising schedule.


3 posted on 07/01/2011 1:32:16 PM PDT by matt04
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To: rabscuttle385

“Permanant” until we ditch the Dung-Beetle-in-Chief and his West Wing Clown Show of felon/cretins.


4 posted on 07/01/2011 1:32:16 PM PDT by Da Coyote
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To: Da Coyote

Spelling error. I blame it on my parents/drugs/impure thoughts/democrats.


5 posted on 07/01/2011 1:33:33 PM PDT by Da Coyote
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To: rabscuttle385

I am beginning to think this may be the case myself. Given the situation may improve some when the current occupant of the White House moves out, this country has been bleeding capital and jobs beyond its borders for a long time. Eventually, I believe, a line is crossed we can’t easily return from.


6 posted on 07/01/2011 1:36:21 PM PDT by DonaldC (A nation cannot stand in the absence of religious principle.)
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To: rabscuttle385

Does this mean that if the 2008 election were held today 61% would vote for obama?


7 posted on 07/01/2011 1:36:55 PM PDT by Terry Mross (I'll only vote for a SECOND party.)
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To: rabscuttle385

Elect a conservative Republican President and Congress and the economy will come rushing back. Give them the types of majorities enjoyed by the Rats after the 2008 election and they will have it booming.


8 posted on 07/01/2011 1:37:50 PM PDT by KansasGirl
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After thinking about it I count myself among the 39%. I don’t think a republican in the white house will turn it around. Too much damage has been done. A true patriot in the white house with a super majority might do it. But I don’t see that happening when there are so many liberal voters who are bind with hatred.


9 posted on 07/01/2011 1:42:25 PM PDT by Terry Mross (I'll only vote for a SECOND party.)
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To: RC2
Time to get rid of a so called leader. We are being led down a rat hole and he knows it.

Our downward spiral is more than just the economy, I believe. That's why it is far more worse.

10 posted on 07/01/2011 1:46:06 PM PDT by He Rides A White Horse ((unite))
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To: rabscuttle385

Good thing these folks weren’t alive while FDR was President.

Things were really bad then.


11 posted on 07/01/2011 1:46:25 PM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: rabscuttle385
Nearly 4 in 10 Americans say they think the economy is in permanent decline, a new polls shows as deep pessimism about the economy becomes more widespread.

I would think this would be something less than a positive sign for Obama's re-election campaign.

However, we don't live in the America I grew up in, so Obama may be golden in 2012.

12 posted on 07/01/2011 1:47:10 PM PDT by Steely Tom (Obama goes on long after the thrill of Obama is gone)
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I think a better question to ask is: “Do you think that our economy has become overextended, and needs to contract to fiscal balance?”

This is the ‘Drunken Sailor Theory’. That is, the man on the street has realized that even the government and businesses “too big to fail”, still must spend within their budgets or they court disaster.

But though the man on the street realizes this, the government and those businesses say that “If we spend within our budgets, then the ‘good times’ will be over!”

This is a false statement. The truth is that if you spend within your budget, only the days of, as Allen Greenspan said, “reckless exuberance”, are over. It does not mean the end of the republic, nor does it mean that ‘our “glory days” are behind us.’

All it means is that the ‘drunken sailor’ is no longer allowed to throw his money around, buying drinks for the house, gambling with no concern for winning or losing, and buying expensive gifts for his friends and anyone else he meets.

In practical terms, it means the federal government can no longer ‘be all things to all people’, no matter how much it wants to be.

This means no socialized retirement system called Social Security. And no more national health care, even for seniors and the poor. And it means no more federal welfare checks.

It never was their job in the first place, but they decided to do it, wildly overspending the public’s money, like a drunken sailor.

Likewise, just because international financial firms are big, does not mean that they can forever thwart the rules of the game. If they make bad business decisions, they, not the public, must be the ones to take the hit for it.

And if this means they go out of business, well, that’s too bad.

Yet the republic will survive.


13 posted on 07/01/2011 1:48:33 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: rabscuttle385
Nearly 4 in 10 Americans say they think the economy is in permanent decline, a new polls shows as deep pessimism about the economy becomes more widespread.

And yet Obama's numbers aren't horrible yet. I have to think it's because either voters haven't noticed or been favorably impressed by the GOP field yet, or because Americans are reluctant to turn on the first black president. But the reality is that Obama simply has no understanding of economics and is completely out of his depth. We are driving toward a financial cliff and I don't know if any politician is capable of doing anything to stop it. But Obama has the gas pedal floored.
14 posted on 07/01/2011 1:49:41 PM PDT by AnotherUnixGeek
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I am beginning to think this may be the case myself.

Only if we continue the existing policies. I'm old enough to remember the Carter malaise, and everyone felt the same way then. Reagan fixed that. Of course, Reagan had been ascending for 20 years. No one like him on the horizon right now, unfortunately.

Also, think about the Great Depression. They had that, and the dust bowl, and God knows what else all going on at the same time. Probably felt the same way then. But we came out of it. One difference today is that the U.S.-based multinationals are beginning to care less if they even have a U.S. presence anymore, whereas in the past there was at least at semblance of patriotism and desire to create business and jobs here.
15 posted on 07/01/2011 1:50:23 PM PDT by BikerJoe
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To: KansasGirl
Elect a conservative Republican President and Congress and the economy will come rushing back. Give them the types of majorities enjoyed by the Rats after the 2008 election and they will have it booming.

Don't assume that that would be automatic. The Republicans are fully capable of blowing it again if we let them.

16 posted on 07/01/2011 1:56:56 PM PDT by Da Bilge Troll (Defeatism is not a winning strategy!)
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To: Terry Mross
But I don’t see that happening when there are so many liberal voters who are blind with hatred.

I fear that myself. I hear from so many liberals who can't speak with any coherence about why they like their guys, but have an encyclopedic repertoire of imagined atrocities that conservatives have wreaked upon them. These malcontents are validated in their negative view of humanity by the Bill Mahers, the Rachael Maddows, and Keith Olbermanns of the world. Top that off with the class warfare waged by Dear Leader and the liberal leaders in Congress.

The thing is that it's so easy to be a hater. It's hard to maintain a positive attitude about this life, especially with the leftist mob ridiculing anyone who sticks up for life, liberty, and the notion that life is good and can be made better with hard work and self-control. Their answer is that no one can be trusted with responsibility and therefore we all must be controlled by an all-powerful government to mitigate the damage that we inevitably cause to others. And their power keeps growing, either through public opinion or through force. Sometimes I feel that we conservatives and lovers of liberty are swimming against the tide.

OK, off the soapbox.

17 posted on 07/01/2011 2:08:39 PM PDT by GenXFreedomFighter (November 2012 can't come fast enough.)
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To: rabscuttle385

It’s only going to be permanent if we keep shelling out money hand over fist that we don’t have, keep over taxing and over regulating. Don’t drill baby drill. And keep putting politician’s in office who only care about themselves and their re-eclections.


18 posted on 07/01/2011 2:11:26 PM PDT by MsLady (Be the kind of woman that when you get up in the morning, the devil says, "Oh crap, she's UP !!")
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I see the decline being as permanent as Democrat control of Washington, our banks and Wall Street.


19 posted on 07/01/2011 3:04:47 PM PDT by pallis
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There is only one thing that can now turn the future around.....Civil War #2.


20 posted on 07/01/2011 3:09:29 PM PDT by DH (Once the tainted finger of government touches anything the rot begins)
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