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ATF acting director may resign over Fast and Furious program
cnn.com ^ | June 20, 2011 2:13 p.m. EDT | Terry Frieden, CNN

Posted on 06/20/2011 11:34:20 AM PDT by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!

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To: Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!

Ah... I remember the days when Farrakhan claimed that zero was “the messiah”! How quickly things change...


101 posted on 06/21/2011 12:10:01 AM PDT by LibertyRocks
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To: Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!

Under the bus with you

102 posted on 06/21/2011 4:14:20 AM PDT by Vaquero ("an armed society is a polite society" Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: lilycicero

Hola, muchacha lilycicero.


103 posted on 06/21/2011 4:34:01 AM PDT by Girlene (Well b'gosh, how goes it?)
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To: HollyB
Quitting isn't enough, prosecute him. I want him to squeal the name Holder.
104 posted on 06/21/2011 4:50:59 AM PDT by DAC21
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To: Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!

I’ve been following this story, reading up, eh...fast and furious.

Rush says this was all a scam to set up a scenario that would have Mexicans killing each other with American guns. Thereby giving the Dems a talking point to get rid of guns.

I don’t buy that. The murder of all those Phoenix people should have been a big anti-gun talking point. It weren’t. Because America has changed fundamentally after Sept. 11, 2001 and taking away of our guns simply does not get footage except to the far-out kooks.

For sure the shoot up of a bunch of drug-dealing Mexicans is not going to set the American populace aflame with anti-gun rage.

But I do, as expected, have a theory as to just what this silly operation was all about.

Beginning with, let us ALL agree that it was NOT about tracking American guns going into Mexico, not in any way shape or form. It would be about Rush’s theory above than ever about some kind of noble operation to track the gun runners taking American guns into Mexico.

What is IS about, and you can hold me to this, is BRIBERY!

As Mark Levin would say...”THERE I SAID IT!”.

Indeed.

I think Eric Holder, the WORST American AG...EVER....just follow the money with this guy. I think the big drug cartels, a Mexican major revenue raiser in that country which, of so many years blessed with a beautiful land with co much coastline still claims sending their beleaguered citizens to America to send their money back home as its biggest industry...the big drug cartels needed lots more guns. It’s a nothing-burger country of small brained people that can’t make a go of creating a flourishing democracy with its riches.

And like Holder will take Arab money to push trying a terrorist in NY City, well hell yeah he’ll take those off-shore delivered bucks for arranging a shipment to Mexico of plenty American guns.

Can the Repubs keep this up? It does muss head hairs and the Lamestream will have to be forced to cover it.....

....follow da money.


105 posted on 06/21/2011 5:08:47 AM PDT by Fishtalk (http://patfish.blogspot.com/201102/freerepublic-ping-list-compilation.html-Freep Ping Blog post)
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To: Fresh Wind

That resume will have to be updated to say “watched illegal gun sales on office video monitor.”


106 posted on 06/21/2011 5:42:28 AM PDT by publiusF27
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To: Fishtalk
Someone paid money and someone made money. The oddest thing about the whole mess is guns left behind after the murders of at least one agent. So... money,bribery and the drug cartel getting what they want and then back stabbing Obama and Holder by leaving some evidence by an agents body. Usually Obama shuts up whistle blowers (SEE WALPINGATE) But there were more than one speaking up,Overall it is so obvious Holder and Obama ordered this yet the MSM don't point this out. The media called for the impeachment of Bush DAILY just for going to war. Obama is doing a kinetic war with no hostility and he skates. Obama orders at the very least a felony against our country and they barely report it is happening.Issa has evidence will the dems in house and senate protect Obama? Greta had someone on not afraid to say what Forest Gump could see.

"VAN SUSTEREN: Do you have any -- let me ask you this again because I want to be specific. Do you have -- have you heard any information that the attorney general of the United States knew this, that he himself knew this program was going on?

DOBYNS: I believe he's been very careful about his words. To say that he approved it -- he's denied his approval of it. But to think that something like this is going on to the scale and to the volume that it did, as the attorney general, as the leader of the Department of Justice and not know about it? That's a lose-lose for him. He either had to know about it and didn't do anything about it, or he didn't know about it and it shows that he's incompetently running the Department of Justice!

VAN SUSTEREN: Agent, thank you, sir. And good luck, sir.

DOBYNS: Thank you.

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107 posted on 06/21/2011 5:49:30 AM PDT by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid! (Allen West 2012 Make it happen!)
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To: Fishtalk
What is IS about, and you can hold me to this, is BRIBERY!

As Mark Levin would say...”THERE I SAID IT!”.

Indeed.

I think Eric Holder, the WORST American AG...EVER....just follow the money with this guy. I think the big drug cartels, a Mexican major revenue raiser in that country which, of so many years blessed with a beautiful land with co much coastline still claims sending their beleaguered citizens to America to send their money back home as its biggest industry...the big drug cartels needed lots more guns. It’s a nothing-burger country of small brained people that can’t make a go of creating a flourishing democracy with its riches.

And like Holder will take Arab money to push trying a terrorist in NY City, well hell yeah he’ll take those off-shore delivered bucks for arranging a shipment to Mexico of plenty American guns.

Can the Repubs keep this up? It does muss head hairs and the Lamestream will have to be forced to cover it.....

....follow da money

Exactly.

Obama and his top people are from Chicago and political corruption rules in Chicago.

I thought someone in the Obama administration got paid by the Mexican drug cartels when I first heard about this story. More than likely in the form of campaign contributions to Obama in 2008.
108 posted on 06/21/2011 6:00:54 AM PDT by Ticonderoga34 (Free Obama's Birth Certificate!)
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To: Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!; flaglady47; mickie
Somehow I think this deadly operation will never get wheels with the general American public.

The story, though simple, at the same time appears too involved and murky for a lot of the public to follow or understand what happened and why.

All the high-ranking perps involved will create a magnificent swirling smoke screen of buck-passing and plausible-deniability that will be impenetratable. Actually, this has already started with the employment of the Obama regime's favorite sport of under-the-bus throwing.

The state-controlled MSM will not investigate the scandal, nor will it analyze it with any tenacity or truth. Nor will it put the perps to any scrutiny from Obama on down.

Plus, there's no sex involved in this comparatively dull gun-running tale, so it will undoubtedly die from its own lack of titillation.

Leni

109 posted on 06/21/2011 6:56:44 AM PDT by MinuteGal (Bring Back the MISERY INDEX! Obama's INDEX! Include Food & Energy in a TRUTHFUL INDEX!)
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To: Joe Brower

Get ‘em all!!


110 posted on 06/21/2011 7:17:50 AM PDT by blackie (Be Well~Be Armed~Be Safe~Molon Labe!)
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To: Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!

So you bring up some more points....

....you think leaving that gun by the US border guy was intentional?

Not sure I buy this but I won’t discount it out of hand.

And yeah, I believe Obama’s in on it. Those border states have been cracking down on immigration big time and the much needed guns weren’t getting through. Goodness, drug dealing is one of Mexico’s biggest industries...deal hadda be made!

And with what looks like a difficult campaign coming up...Obamer’s gonna need money.

You’re right about how slow this incredible and unbelievable story is to catch hold but again, as I must, I would point out to you that if we had an opposition party that had a mouth and stopped reaching across the aisle all the time, this kind of stuff would get out there.

Of course I give Issa credit and if the blogosphere and sites like this very one on which we type keeps up, we can beat the lamestream media.

Today we have....heh...JOHN HUNTSMAN! Who the hell is he? Did you go out and demand this guy? I know I didn’t.

All of a sudden he’s our guy....can’t make it up.


111 posted on 06/21/2011 7:27:15 AM PDT by Fishtalk (http://patfish.blogspot.com/201102/freerepublic-ping-list-compilation.html-Freep Ping Blog post)
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To: Fresh Wind

i dont see any military service in that info. how does one join the atf (let alone become the head honcho) without it? Or did they omit it?


112 posted on 06/21/2011 7:33:36 AM PDT by Soothesayer9
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To: Fishtalk

I just think it is odd. Who kills someone and then leaves behind a couple a AK’s that ballistics showed- killed him? Why would someone kill someone and leave the gun behind? In the outside normal world this is only done to make it look like a suicide.This of course could not have been the reasoning in this case so why would they leave the evidence?

Huntsman? As Miller would say I have no idea who this cat is but MANY on here said he is a liberal RINO but they are saying that about everyone but Palin. He introed Palin at the convention.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jon_Huntsman,_Jr.


113 posted on 06/21/2011 7:53:23 AM PDT by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid! (Allen West 2012 Make it happen!)
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To: Soothesayer9

He was (is) ‘acting’ director.


114 posted on 06/21/2011 8:09:39 AM PDT by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid! (Allen West 2012 Make it happen!)
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To: Fishtalk
So, did Rush come up with that one before or after my proposal ~ to wit: The guns were being shipped to Obama/Holder's preferred cartels to give them an edge in the war at the border.

I don't see the Obots caring one way or the other if they get cartel money ~ they're getting that already ~ but some payers are better than other payers ~ and, of course "a single payer" is best of all.

And you thought the Obots were talking about medical insurance! (Bwahahahahah!!!!!!)

In short, it's a "pay for performance" deal ~ known as "THE CHICAGO WAY"

115 posted on 06/21/2011 8:53:11 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: jacknhoo

“..sacrificial lamb..”

Of course he is. He’s “Acting Director”. As in “Temporary Hired Help”. They’ll throw him under the bus, and put in the Maniac Traver - the guy FuBO wanted in there all along.

This guy is a real POS - a thoroughbred hater of the idea of civilians owning guns. Which makes him a thoroughbred hater of the US Constitution.


116 posted on 06/21/2011 9:59:38 AM PDT by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!

he should be allowed to resign, as long as he names names of people who instructed him to do this. That is an acceptable plea arrangement.

turn states evidence ... otherwise, just leaving his position is not suitable punishment.


117 posted on 06/21/2011 2:20:20 PM PDT by Munz (All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent.)
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To: Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!

We have developed a culture in the USA where politicians and high level appointees are never ever held accountable as would be done in the private sector.

We need to start holding government officials at the highest level criminally accountable (regardless of their Party) and making examples out of them. That prevents recurrences. We have had many screw-ups in our country where people died and those involved were never investigated from an aspect of criminality, culpability and malfeasance.... from 9-11 to this ATF fiasco. Maybe they will give this ATF guy a promotion as they did to some after 9-11.


120 posted on 06/22/2011 6:33:38 AM PDT by apoliticalone (Honest govt. that operates in the interest of US sovereignty and the people, not global $$$)
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