Posted on 06/13/2011 1:34:57 PM PDT by Halfmanhalfamazing
A progressive religious organization, American Values Network, has a new ad out attacking conservative leaders like Rush Limbaugh and Paul Ryan by criticizing their appreciation for Ayn Rand’s philosophical views.
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And, of course, the group has tied to George Soros.
Stu pointed out that they received at least $800,000 from Soros.org, his website for the Open Society Institute.
(Excerpt) Read more at glennbeck.com ...
What the hell is a “progressive Christian”?
One thing about the left, they know to play games in the court of public opinion, because that’s where it counts.
it’s an oxymoron.
I am a christian, and while there is much of the Rand philosophy that I completely disagree with, I do agree with much of her basic premise: let people decide what is best for themselves, not some government bureaucrat.
I guess the ability to only partially agree with Rand is too much nuance for our progressive friends.
Ayn Rand’s views about individual rights are compatible with the views of God given natural rights of the Founding Fathers.The views of libtards who favor violation of rights by big government are incompatible.
There is no such thing as a “progressive Christian.” You either adhere to the teachings of Jesus or you are not a Christian. Throwing one’s own ideas into the mix, automatically disqualifies one as a Christian.
So, progressives condemn conservatives for being “absolutists,” yet they are telling people they cannot accept Rand’s political/economic views while rejecting her views on religion.
Hokayyyyy.... Seems to me they are being intellectually inflexible themselves. Or at the very least intellectually dishonest.
That’s what Christians get for trying to support their views with secularist thinkers. I don’t understand the obsession with Ayn Rand when they are perfectly legitimate Christian defenses of Capitalism around, and not rather boring fiction writers who think they’re so much more intelligent than everyone else.
It’s the apostate church.
The coming persecution of believers won’t come so much from atheists or government, it will come from those naming the Name of Christ. They will denounce any that hold too tightly to scriptural truth, because they will stand in the way of “unity”.
“Progressive Christian” is almost an oxymoron. Many of them have “progressed” so far that they’ve lost sight of all religious foundations.
Someone who attends a church that’s little more than a social club that misuses God’s name as a prop.
A progressive Christian must be my opposite. I found out this weekend, courtesy of Chris Matthews, that I’m a culturally backward, conservative Christian.
Cute Chrissy (he of the tingling leg) may get a surprise in 2012.
You either adhere to the teachings of Jesus or you are not a Christian.
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Amen.
...false Christians using scripture to achieve their secular agenda, are simply the wolves in sheep’s clothing,
we were warned about.
This ran in my local paper yesterday and was thoroughly trashed by the readers in the comments section (not trying to highjack your thread; thought this was relevent):
Another reading on Ayn Rand
By Mark Sells
For the Salisbury Post
It seems a lot of people are talking these days about Ayn Rand and her 1,000-plus paged book “Atlas Shrugged.” Someone went and made a movie. This always gets people excited. We have to take a book seriously once it’s made into movie.
What is surprising about all of this, however, is just how many Christians seem to be excited about “Atlas Shrugged” the movie. It turns out, they’ve heard about it on Fox News. They’ve seen picket signs at Tea Party rallies bearing the cryptic words “Who is John Galt?” (Galt is the messianic figure lurking around in Rand’s overblown novel.) They’ve even heard such luminaries as Rush Limbaugh and Glenn Beck speak of Rand as if she were some kind of prophet. She was some kind of prophet, by the way. She was the false kind, just as Galt is a false messiah. The harm her “prophetic” ideas have caused is prominently featured in one of the chapters of a 2004 book from Ignatius Press called “Architects of the Culture of Death.” (Now that would make an interesting movie.)
To help you understand my strong feelings on this subject, I should tell you that Ayn Rand and I go way back. I’ve read and own all of her novels and a lot of her nonfiction. (She intended for the novels to be the primary means of conveying her philosophy.) I was an atheist from the age of 17 to the age of 23, and for a lot of that time, I was somewhat of a disciple of Ayn Rand. As you may have guessed, I have a different view of her and her work now. Ayn Rand publicly boasted that she was the greatest philosopher since Aristotle. Needless to say, she wasn’t. She pretended that her philosophy, objectivism, sprang as an original system without precedent entirely from her own mind. It didn’t. It was, instead, a wholesale rehashing of, among others, Friedrich Nietzsche, the man who declared that God was dead and posited a kind of Superman in His place.
In claiming to have invented the one perfect and true philosophy in the whole history of man (objectivism) in the middle of the 20th century, Rand is a lot like L. Ron Hubbard, who claimed to have invented the one perfect and true religion in the whole history of man (Scientology), conveniently enough also in the middle of the 20th century. Both writers were essentially science fiction novelists who deliberately cultivated a religious following.
Ayn Rand viewed “Atlas Shrugged” as her magnum opus, as the embodiment of objectivism. It was. It is also a perfect antithesis of Christianity. The Christian virtues of humility and mercy are vices to Ayn Rand. The paradox that the first shall be last and the last first is an abomination to her. Like Friedrich Nietzsche and like the satanist Anton LaVey, she proposed an inversion of all true values into vices and all vices into virtues. Her chief virtue, by her own admission, is the vice pride, which she saw as a noble impulse that had been maligned by Christianity. Pride was also LaVey’s chief virtue in his “Satanic Bible.” (Yes, such a book exists, and though LaVey was trying full-tilt to be the antagonist of everything good and holy, he was a carnival sideshow at this compared to the disturbingly influential Rand.)
Objectivism, then, is not merely atheistic with certain aspects which may be reconciled with Christianity. It is essentially satanic. If you stood the Sermon on the Mount on its head, you would get Ayn Rand’s objectivism. In her Utopian eschatology, it is not the meek who inherit the earth, but the arrogant. Christ said that it is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the Kingdom of God. For Rand, conversely, the rich were the guarantors of heroic virtue. Her major ambition in life was to join their ranks and so she finally did by selling her ridiculous books and their poisonous ideas. Christ said that in as much as we had done or failed to do to “the least of these” we had done or failed to do to Him. Rand had only contempt and hatred for “the least of these” and saw her obligation to her fellow creatures as absolutely zero.
In the end, Ayn Rand would not have been surprised at the number of Christians interested in “Atlas Shrugged.” She always believed that Christianity was inhuman, self-contradictory, and ultimately unlivable. Since she believed that Christianity could not be followed with any consistency in the real world for very long, the interest her movie has aroused among believers would have been very gratifying to her. Given an opportunity like this, she would have opened her arms wide to them and welcomed them in to her bent little world. But she would have had a long, hard laugh if anyone had proposed a way of reconciling her philosophy with theirs. While the unfortunate common wisdom is that Christianity is just one religion among many, Ayn Rand knew better. Perhaps instinctively she recognized that Christianity was special. To her, it was the most wicked religion that had ever developed on the planet.
St. Paul tells us that the love of money is the root of all evil. Ayn Rand, however, openly and unapologetically idolized wealth. For this, she is celebrated in some sad circles and her banal novel is made into a film, three films actually, with part one in limited release now. Avoid it. At its heart and coursing through all its members is one damnable lie after another. Yes, certain ... personalities have recommended this movie to you. I see their recommendation as a major indicator of how far astray they themselves have gone. Or, more likely, it is a clue as to where they have always made their camp.
http://www.salisburypost.com/Opinion/061211-insight-sells-rand-qcd
To give you an idea, I know a woman who considers herself one, and she has a bumper sticker saying, "Liberal Christianity...Christianity Without The Hate." I don't know what Bible she reads, but she thinks Christians who oppose gay marriage are haters.
This is the third thread on the subject, but it is a bit more comprehensive than the other two.
Prior to Rand, old school libertarians opposed the government's claim of a right to license occupations, and indeed much of the lefts gain of control over our personal lives comes through that venue.
Support for abortion also came along with Rand.
Rand was a warrior for the free love movement as much as for anything else and her prose is stilted at best.
Cognitive dissonance ... you can be one or the other, but not both simultaneously.
I know I'm going out on a limb here, but a pretty strong one, nonetheless.
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