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A Million Electric Vehicles - The president wants them by 2015, but 2064 is...more realistic.
NATIONAL REVIEW ONLINE ^ | June 7, 2011 | Robert Bryce

Posted on 06/08/2011 11:56:53 AM PDT by neverdem

A Million Electric Vehicles
The president wants them by 2015, but 2064 is a more realistic estimate.

Back in January, during his State of the Union speech, President Obama said that he wanted the U.S. to “become the first country to have 1 million electric vehicles on the road,” and he wanted it to happen by 2015. Given current sales of the Chevy Volt and Nissan Leaf, the president may hit his target . . . sometime in 2064.

In May, U.S. sales for the much-hyped Volt totaled 481. The Leaf did better, with 1,142 units sold. That’s a grand total of 1,623 electric cars sold for the month. At that torrid rate, it will take about 639 months, or a bit more than 53 years, for domestic sales of electric vehicles to reach 1 million.

Of course, none of this is surprising. Electric cars are the Next Big Thing, and they always will be. What is, ahem, shocking, is just how gullible the Obama administration, and much of the mainstream media, has been about the potential for electric cars to garner a significant share of the market.

Why would consumers buy a Volt, which gets 40 miles per gallon on the highway and costs $40,000, when they can buy a Chevy Cruze, which sells for less than half that amount, is nearly identical in size, and gets 42 miles per gallon? The answer is, they wouldn’t. In May, General Motors sold 22,711 Cruzes(PDF). Put another way, for every Chevy shopper who chose the Volt, 47 others decided the Cruze was a better value.

Johan de Nysschen, the president of Audi of America, predicted the Volt’s low-amperage future nearly two years ago when he said that “no one is going to pay a $15,000 premium for a car that competes with a Corolla . . . there are not enough idiots who will buy it.

One could say that comparing the Volt with the Cruze is unfair, because the two cars appeal to different demographics. Last year, Deloitte Consulting released a report on electric vehicles that found that the most likely buyers are people with household incomes “in excess of $200,000” and “who already own one or more vehicles.” But in May, GM sold 11,623 Cadillacs — 24 for every Volt it sold.

The Deloitte study concluded that the U.S. now has about 1.3 million consumers who “fit the demographic and psychographic profiles” of expected electric-vehicle buyers. It went on to say that mass adoption of electric cars “will be gradual” and that by 2020, perhaps 3 percent of the U.S. car market could be amenable to them. Think about that: Out of some 300 million Americans, perhaps 1.3 million of them are inclined to buy an electric vehicle today, and perhaps 9 million will be willing to consider it a decade from now. And as the lackluster sales of the Volt and the Leaf show, only a tiny fraction of that fraction are actually buying electric cars, even though they could get a $7,500 federal tax credit for doing so.

As de Nysschen made clear two years ago, all of this was easily predictable. Consider a New York Times report contending that the electric car “has long been recognized as the ideal solution” because it “is cleaner and quieter” and “much more economical” than gasoline-fueled cars. That’s from Nov. 12, 1911. Or consider this assessment by a believing reporter: “Prices on electric cars will continue to drop until they are within reach of the average family.” That line appeared in the Washington Post on Halloween, 1915.

Obama’s electric-vehicle fetish reflects much of the inanity of our discussions about energy. The idea that oil is bad, and that we must therefore throw vast sums of money at efforts to fuel our automotive fleet with something else — anything else — ignores both economic realities and the myriad problems inherent with electric vehicles.

Those problems were delineated in a 2009 report published by the Department of Energy’s Office of Vehicle Technologies, which said that despite the enormous investments being made in plug-in hybrid-electric vehicles and lithium-ion batteries, four key barriers stand in the way of their commercialization: cost, performance, abuse tolerance, and life. The key problem, according to these analysts: batteries. The report concludes that lithium-based batteries, which it calls “the most promising chemistry,” are three to five times too expensive, are lacking in energy density, and are “not intrinsically tolerant to abusive conditions.”

The energy density of batteries has been the biggest issue for electric cars for 100 years. By weight, gasoline contains about 80 times as much energy as even the best lithium-ion batteries. Of course, electric-car supporters will immediately retort that electric motors are about four times as efficient as internal-combustion engines. But even with that advantage, gasoline will still have 20 times the energy density of batteries. And that is an essential advantage when it comes to automobiles, where weight, storage space, and the distance one can travel without refueling are critical considerations.

Nevertheless, some true believers still contend that electric vehicles are for real. And some of those believers are writing unsigned editorials for the New York Times; just seven months ago, one such editorial proclaimed that “electric cars could eventually be a real game-changer.”

Um, yes, “could” and “eventually.” My advice: Don’t bother waiting by the wall socket in your garage.

— Robert Bryce, a senior fellow at the Manhattan Institute, is the author, most recently, of Power Hungry: The Myths of “Green” Energy and the Real Fuels of the Future.



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KEYWORDS: debt; default; economy; morons; obama
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To: calex59

HAHAHAHA

Where did I mention that coal is not a fossil fuel?

1) We have the worlds largest reserve of coal
2) clean coal is actually way cleaner than burning oil
3) I already said that we generate most of our power from coal
4) I also mentioned that we are not at the level to rely on renewables.. clearly but you of course had to act like i said nothing.
5) My answer was a response to a poster who said well electricity comes from oil so we arent saving anything.. I retorted saying most of it is actually coal, and the whole point of maybe going electricity is to lower our dependence on OIL. Because if we dont need it for cars then we dont need it for anything since we produce our electricity from other methods namely coal and nuclear. The whole point is foreign dependence.

I dont even know what the hell you are attacking me on.. You just assumed a bunch of things I didnt even say and somehow came with the notion that I’m not bright. Actually I even said what you are saying in your post that renewables are unrealizable at the moment. And why would we even do away with clean coal plants?

My whole point was reducing dependence on oil.. not fossil fuels which would be completely retarded. Im talking from an economic point of view and not an environmental one which you seem to think I am.

Learn to read better before criticising people about their intelligence.


41 posted on 06/08/2011 1:14:44 PM PDT by hannibaal
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To: calex59

Actually rereading my post and then yours im completely dumbfounded at your response. Im guessing youre quite the old timer, cranky and a dwindling intellect.


42 posted on 06/08/2011 1:16:40 PM PDT by hannibaal
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To: Red Badger

...and a large battery array. And BTW, that would require a summer sunny day (12 hours) and drain the sized battery array by 50%, which I wouldn’t recommend. Better double the PV module and battery array, if the batteries are to last very long.


43 posted on 06/08/2011 1:18:15 PM PDT by familyop (Shut up, and eat your brains!)
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To: bfree
the Volt is the G.M. version of the Toyota Prius. It's a hybrid that doesn't plug in to anything. I don't know where you live, but I can see several Prius in the comp[any lot. They are all over the place in Calif.

Now, the car that makes no sense is the Nissan Leaf, unless you live in a city, have a short commute(< 20 miles R.T), and have over night to recharge. Not to mention it looks like the worst of French Car design.

I, OTOH, intend to get a version of the best selling car in Europe.

44 posted on 06/08/2011 1:20:33 PM PDT by muleskinner
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To: truthguy
Did you happen to receive the email with graphic photos of the guy who was cut in half after he had a head on with an 18 wheeler? He was texting while driving and crossed the center stripe. He was driving some kind of tiny car, it was impossible for me to tell if it was a Volt, Smart Car, Tata. I have led a pretty sheltered life and never seen a human body ripped into 2 pieces but if you are curious freepmail me your email address and I send it to you. I am not ready to drive anything that small so you are welcome to my coffin on 4 wheels.
45 posted on 06/08/2011 1:20:41 PM PDT by Ditter
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To: bfree
the Volt is the G.M. version of the Toyota Prius. It's a hybrid that doesn't plug in to anything. I don't know where you live, but I can see several Prius in the comp[any lot. They are all over the place in Calif.

Now, the car that makes no sense is the Nissan Leaf, unless you live in a city, have a short commute(< 20 miles R.T), and have over night to recharge. Not to mention it looks like the worst of French Car design.

I, OTOH, intend to get a version of the best selling car in Europe.

46 posted on 06/08/2011 1:20:41 PM PDT by muleskinner
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To: neverdem

Considering he won’t be President in 2015, can a real President just junk the whole idea?


47 posted on 06/08/2011 1:22:20 PM PDT by Colonel_Flagg ("It's hard to take the president seriously." - Jim DeMint)
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To: Red Badger

Oops...about six hours. But that’s about what some of the sunnier places in the USA (like here) get on many days. 12 modules would do it on sunny days. 2880 amp-hours of batteries would be recommended (720 x 4 - efficiency losses). More modules would be recommended for winter (assuming middle latitudes of the USA). Offhand guestimates.


48 posted on 06/08/2011 1:28:00 PM PDT by familyop (Shut up, and eat your brains!)
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To: neverdem

Since NObama is demanding that Federal purchases are of the Chevy Volt, his predictions might come true-—but at the expense of the American taxpayer.


49 posted on 06/08/2011 1:29:41 PM PDT by ridesthemiles
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To: bfree
the Volt is the G.M. version of the Toyota Prius. It's a hybrid that doesn't plug in to anything. I don't know where you live, but I can see several Prius in the company lot. They are all over the place in Calif.

Now, the car that makes no sense is the Nissan Leaf, unless you live in a city, have a short commute(< 20 miles R.T), and have over night to recharge. Not to mention it looks like the worst of French Car design.

I, OTOH, I intend to get a version of the best selling car in Europe. It's got 170.H.P. and is lighter than a Mini.

Yes, it's a FIAT. Fiat 500 Abarth. 42 M.P.G. with the 5 speed and a light foot.

You can get the 190 H.P. version if you don't mind a roll cage and other purpose built ergonomics. .

So much for Global Warming.

50 posted on 06/08/2011 1:35:13 PM PDT by muleskinner
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To: muleskinner
"the Volt is the G.M. version of the Toyota Prius. It's a hybrid that doesn't plug in to anything."

Charging the Chevy Volt
gm-volt.com
http://gm-volt.com/2009/08/20/charging-the-chevy-volt/
"There will be a portable 120 V unit (R) that can be plugged into any standard receptacle...The other device option (L) is a 240 V stationary wall-mounted unit that has to be installed in the owners garage per code."


51 posted on 06/08/2011 1:45:58 PM PDT by familyop (Rome wasn't burnt in a day.)
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To: Ditter

What’s that got to do with the Volt? Yes it’s small but not really smaller than a Prius, Corolla, or any other compact or sub-compact. The Volt has a 5-Star Safety Rating. If you don’t like small for the sake of being small, then buy a full sized pickup truck. It’s one of the safest vehicles on the road.


52 posted on 06/08/2011 1:48:08 PM PDT by truthguy (Good intentions are not enough.)
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To: neverdem
Akerson Wants $5 Gas; CEO Unfit to Lead Bailed-Out GM [Wants 50-cent or $1 extra gas tax.]
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/2731807/posts

The Marching Morons


53 posted on 06/08/2011 1:53:19 PM PDT by familyop (Rome was burnt in a day.)
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To: neverdem

Who would willingly pay for these vehicles?


54 posted on 06/08/2011 1:54:11 PM PDT by Silentgypsy (You know if I donÂ’t remember IÂ’m gonna forget.)
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To: Dr. Bogus Pachysandra

Even if it was 2008 does he really think he could roll out a million plugins to all 57 states.


55 posted on 06/08/2011 2:01:11 PM PDT by Drill Thrawl (Are you prepared?)
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To: truthguy
I was speaking against very small cars in general not especially against the Volt. Just another reason not to get one. These cars might make some sense in some places, but not where we drive. I drive a Tahoe and Mr. Ditter drives a p/u. We have no plans to change.
56 posted on 06/08/2011 2:01:56 PM PDT by Ditter
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To: muleskinner
the Volt is the G.M. version of the Toyota Prius. It's a hybrid that doesn't plug in to anything. I don't know where you live, but I can see several Prius in the comp[any lot. They are all over the place in Calif. Now, the car that makes no sense is the Nissan Leaf, unless you live in a city, have a short commute(< 20 miles R.T), and have over night to recharge. Not to mention it looks like the worst of French Car design. I, OTOH, intend to get a version of the best selling car in Europe.

Sorry, you are dead wrong. the Volt has to be recharged using ELECTRICITY. Which comes from what? nuclear power or coal burning, usually.

57 posted on 06/08/2011 3:46:59 PM PDT by bfree (The revolution is coming - OBAMI IS THE ENEMY OF FREEDOM)
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To: truthguy

What a joke. When GE and obami’s government mandated buys of the Volt are taken out of the equation, they don’t sell and won’t sell. Your propaganda link to ask Volt owners is another joke. There are so few owners and they probably got some more financial incentive to rave about the lemon they bought and we subsidized.

You are at least consist as a shill for this piece of garbage known as the Volt. After reading the comments yesterday of the chairman of GM, I am convinced GM will be bankrupt again within 5 years.


58 posted on 06/08/2011 4:01:38 PM PDT by bfree (The revolution is coming - OBAMI IS THE ENEMY OF FREEDOM)
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To: hannibaal
Well actually, the point I believe is to make us less dependent on foreign oil.

uh, then open OUR OWN OIL FIELDS ... don't come up with screwy cars that burn coal!

59 posted on 06/08/2011 4:12:23 PM PDT by ThePatriotsFlag (You are just jealous because the voices aren't talking to YOU!)
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To: truthguy
So the problem with low sales is really a production problem. There are NO Volts setting around Chevy Dealership lots waiting to be sold. If you do not believe this, then go over to your local Chevy Dealership and see if you see any on the lot. Go ahead bfree. I'm calling you out right here and now. Take the challenge!

Because of obami's economy and sky high gas prices, I did the logical thing instead of going to dealers- I called them, 3 of the largest in the area. All 3 said they had no Volts and DIDN'T want them either. One dealer said they would special order one if I wanted, but with a substantial down payment.

60 posted on 06/08/2011 4:16:22 PM PDT by bfree (The revolution is coming - OBAMI IS THE ENEMY OF FREEDOM)
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