Posted on 06/02/2011 12:31:59 PM PDT by Conservative Coulter Fan
I know I’m going to garner a lot of bitter reactions, but I just have to question this devotion to Sarah Palin as our candidate for 2012. Am I the only one that thinks conservatives are falling into the whole cult of personality with regard to Sarah Palin much the same way the Left did with Obama? I’m not comfortable with her just bailing on Alaska, she’s the one that allowed Levi Johnston to knock up her daughter, and I don’t want a reality TV. candidate - I want a serious conservative thinker with the stomach for policy. I’d much rather have Michele Bachmann or Herman Cain. Anyhow, that’s just my opinion. Let the hate begin..
YOU ARE LYING. Are you aware of it? Did you actually read or hear Levin's official endorsement of Romney toward the end of the 2008 primaries? For bonus points, do you know the name of the Republican primary candidate in 2008 that Levin referred to as "my guy"?
When you have to LIE to advance your argument, respect for you is toast. I will give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that you call Levin a "RomneyBot" out of ignorance as opposed to calling him that with conscious intent to deceive.
as Bush Right on TARP?
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Most conservatives just slapped their heads and groaned in consternation over the above statement; and probably also wanted to slap silly the president they’ve otherwise supported and defended for the last nigh 8 years in office.
The Troubled Asset Relief Program was heavily criticized by many conservatives. In light of the stimulus spendings and expansion of government under the current PotUS, some Americans even forget that TARP was initiated under Bush and Paulson’s leadership, not Obama’s (although he did support it, as a U.S. senator).
2 years later, in handling the 2008 financial crisis in the twilight of his presidency, was Bush right?
When the bill was being voted upon 2 years ago, I nervously and unconfidently wrote this:
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Republicans who stand opposed do so for ideological reasons: Let the free market run its course, and those who made bad decisions suffer the consequences of having made bad decisions. Democrats oppose the bill for ideological reasons as well, thinking this is a bail-out for Wall Street.
Caught in the cross-fire of this mess, is all of the rest of us. If we simply stand aside and allow financial institutions to fail on free market principle, we will all suffer together for the mistakes of others.
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Medved writes:
“Two years after it began, the controversial TARP program—the bailout of the financial system—concludes operations with much-better-than expected results.
Most money invested in the rescue has been repaid, often with interest: of the $700 billion originally authorized, taxpayers remain on the hook for less than $66 billion, according to the Treasury Department.
This shows the Bush Bailout starkly contrasting with Obama’s Stimulus, which authorized $864 billion in spending, with no pay back.
The stimulus permanently shifted money from private sector to government, while TARP temporarily transferred funds from public to private sector.
TARP was also bipartisan: most Congressional Republicans supported it, while the stimulus drew united GOP opposition from 214 of 217 Republicans then in Congress.
Short term loans to save private businesses may be debatable but long-term explosions of spending to grow government are always disastrous.”
Latest bailout loss estimate: $29 billion.
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/06/business/economy/06tarp.html
Wall Street Bailout Returns 8.2% Profit Beating Treasury Bonds:
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-10-20/bailout-of-wall-street-returns-8-2-profit-to-taxpayers-beating-treasuries.html
Comment:
kathie says:
It was a loan and it saved the investors of America, 80% of all Americans. Personally, I say thank you Mr. President.
http://floppingaces.net/2010/11/09/was-bush-right-on-tarp/
I don’t see any compliments in there. Especially the support of Greenspan. My only thought is that sometimes people change.
Cain seems to have a three-part response to this problem. First, he defends his Fed tenure. He told Beck, "That Federal Reserve didn't do any of the stuff that this Federal Reserve is doing... Alan Greenspan never allowed the Fed to become politicized. We didn't have this $14 trillion debt to deal with, and as a result, they didn't have to inflate our currency the way this Federal Reserve board is doing."Second, he emphasizes his monetary conservatism. "He's in favor of considering a return to something like a gold-based standard," his spokeswoman told me. Although that idea is considered archaic among most mainstream economists, it's more or less within the mainstream of the Republican Party these days (or at least the tea party).
Third, Cain makes clear that he wants no fight with Ron Paul. He told Beck that he supports Paul's authority as chairman of a House subcommittee to audit the Fed, although he may not have helped matters by adding that such an audit was unnecessary. Why is that, Beck asked. Because, Cain replied, "They have internal controls out the wazoo. I saw them."
Well some of that is coming from the fact she’s a woman. Some are not comfortable with a woman as President. But no, they won’t be asking that about Cain, who though certainly well informed I’m not convinced he’s ready. There’s a difference between knowing about and actually hands on in how any organization operates....and that includes politics/Washington.
I don’t think Cain would hand one of his Pizza Rest.’s over to someone who hasn’t managed in the food industry....same goes for politics.
Obama’s team has been pretty much community organizing thugs...not the same either...which is why they didn’t, and the ones left, still don’t know what they’re doing.
I’m still digesting that. And we certainly have enough time to check out everyone. Thank goodness!
You are correct about the cult of personality aspect being a potential problem.
But it is the biggest problem for the left/DNC/LSM. They, as a group, are more likely to go for looks and charisma than platform or principles. They know looks and charisma when they see it, better than anyone on the Right. I believe they fear this aspect of her more than her beliefs or principles.
I do personally keep this in mind, so that I don’t get blinded by physical beauty, BUT, her beauty has fired up many people (especially men) in a way that motivates activism rather than apathy. There will be almost no indifference about her, and she will motivate voters like me who have had no voice in DC, no representation. That’s why she is accused of being so “divisive”.
We do need to have objectivity about her and the election. We are usually better at it than the left. This is a good thread for discussion.
Well, maybe then you shouldn't have voted for him as a Senator all those years, huh? Coulda nipped that 2008 problem right in the bud years ago. Don't blame him on the rest of the country
You are correct about the messiah complex. It’s easy to do with a beautiful and charismatic person, especially one with proven leadership and integrity.
This is also a time of testing and temptation for Sarah, as well as those who admire her.
Objectivity, and principles before personalities.
Obama’s Stimulus: PERMANENTLY shifted money from private sector to government.
Bush’s Tarp : TEMPORARILY transferred funds from public to private sector.
Which is the ‘heart’ of the difference between Bush’s TARP and Obama’s Stimulas. Where the money was transfered from.. Who the money went to... and who did or not pay it back.
The MSM starts with "he's the most reasonable", "he's the most moderate"...blah blah blah. We have to make a principled stand - voting for Romney or his RHINO equivalent isn't the answer and you know it. I didn't limit my slate of people I'd vote for....go back and look - there were at least 4, you seem to set up your guy who I wouldn't vote for and then call me the fuddy duddy ogre who won't compromise. This time, I don't listen to appeasers like you; we just lose when we do.
She says things the other candidates don’t. And her record as governor was excellent. I like the corruption fighting in her. I know as maybe other supporters of her don’t that if she wins she WILL NOT make all conservatives happy all the time. I don’t think I am unrealistic. And I am actually not wedded to her but as of today she would have my vote.
Christie lost me with his support of global warming.
So long, chump!
Yep, January 2008 Levin absolutely endorsed Romney. That is a fact.
You voting for Obama by proxy and encouraging others to do the same sounds more like appeasement to me.
He’s not and that is a problem.
Take that crap back to the 2008 election where it belongs. You’ll end up with the same results. This time we won’t be shamed into voting for any RINO. If you want the right person to be in the WH, then you’d damned well better not vote for a RINO or a moderate in any primary to begin with.
The comparison to the libs ‘0bama cult’ is way over the top. IMHO, that requires an apology to FReepers.
I was, too. And believe me, my MOM had nothing to do with it. ;)
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A dog having a bowel movement could win the election against this current illegal poser.
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ROFL!!!!!
Nope. I'm seeing the same Cult Bush type behavior. Cult Bush thought he did no wrong and nearly walked on water. Bush paved BIG GOVERNMENT CONTROL PRECEDENTS for Obama and paved Obama's path to the White House by taking the party and nation as far left as it had ever been in history. That is the real Bush Legacy both father and son. Had Bush not been a Liberal Rockefeller GOP Wimp who knows.
I know some who are definitely off my list such as Rudy, Newt, Mitt, & Huck. I see it being foolish to give anyone unconditional support at this point. I hope some more disciplined with long standing records of stick with it Conservatives will join the race.
First thing I want to see in Palin is her own putting some distance between her and RINO's like McCain. In short she is going to have to ignore the RINO's precious Reagan 11th Commandment just as Reagan did. Meaning what? Meaning this. Reagan not only stood up to the DEMs but he stood up to the establishment liberal GOP when the agenda called for it.
I have other serious reservations as well but those would get me label sexist I reckon. Our nations reputation has been damaged with both friend and foe. First thing I want to see is a rough and tough male Secretary of State. Someone not of the Mad Maddy, Powell, Condi, & Hillary, all think alike on policies person. To get even your enemies to listen means you must send someone to talk too them they respect. Like it or not that is a reality of the Arabic and Islamic nations.
Like I said though it is way too early too be saying this or that person is the one. No one except her and possibly her husband even know for 100% certain if she is in fact going to run.
People need to calm down and take objective looks at all persons tossing their hats in both right now and in the months to come & only then make the choice a few months before primaries begin. Locking solely into one person a year and a half before the General Election is simply insanity. I can think of a few I'd like to see run and I would vote for in a heart beat over Palin but she would be a plus on the VP side though.
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