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Mothers crying over raw milk
The Washington Times ^ | May 16, 2011 | Stephen Dinan

Posted on 05/17/2011 5:36:05 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Four weeks after the government moved to shut down Amish farmer Dan Allgyer for selling fresh, unpasteurized milk across state lines, angry moms who made up much of his customer base rallied on the Capitol’s grounds Monday to demand that Congress rein in the food police.

The moms milked a cow just across the street from the Senate and served up gallons of fresh milk, playfully daring one another to drink what, if sold across state lines, would be considered contraband product.

“The FDA really screwed up this time. They got between a mom and a farmer,” said Mark McAfee, who runs Organic Pastures Dairy Co. in Fresno, Calif., which under his state’s laws he legally sells at 400 markets, but which he cannot ship across state lines without running afoul of the Food and Drug Administration.

Raw milk has been making a comeback in recent years as consumers try to eat locally and fresh. But the FDA has been fighting back, arguing that there are big risks to drinking fresh milk and that it brings no benefits over the pasteurized version.

The most recent action to garner headlines came last month when the FDA went to court to stop Mr. Allgyer, the Amish farmer who runs Rainbow Acres Farm in Kinzer, Pa., from selling his raw milk to an eager customer base in the Washington region.

The FDA and the Justice Department sought a court injunction after FDA agents conducted a one-year sting operation, complete with fake aliases and lab testing, to determine that the milk they surreptitiously obtained from Mr. Allgyer was, in fact, unpasteurized.

Mr. Allgyer was not at Monday’s rally, but his defenders were infuriated that he had been targeted, and said it shows a government out of control.

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtontimes.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; US: District of Columbia; US: Maryland; US: Pennsylvania; US: Virginia
KEYWORDS: allgyer; amish; bhofda; fda; foodnazis; foodpolice; health; interstatecommerce; milk; nannystate; organic; protest; rainbowacresfarm; rawmilke; regulation; restrictions
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To: TN4Liberty

“I’m not sure it is sold across state lines though.”

There are so many jokes to be had from the thought.........


41 posted on 05/17/2011 7:10:39 PM PDT by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto.)
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To: org.whodat

You’re probably right, I’m sure the farmer told my Mom. This was up in the mountains of NM, and altho the cow did not graze loose anywhere I’m sure she had access to a little bit of mountainside.

I have milked a goat, but not ever a cow. My husband’s Dad was a rancher, but he raised Brangus. No one milked THOSE cows. ;)


42 posted on 05/17/2011 7:12:49 PM PDT by brytlea (If you don't know what APOD is you'd better find out!)
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I did read several stories about this. Raids at 5 am with armed guards. 10s of 1,000s of gallons of milk dumped out. Serious financial damage. People lining up at a certain location at odd hours for a chance to get some milk.

You’d have thought the stuff was moonshine.


43 posted on 05/17/2011 7:13:11 PM PDT by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto.)
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To: TN4Liberty

HUMAN breast milk is raw milk, too.
I’m not sure it is sold across state lines though.

Actually mother’s milk is sold across state lines. It is part of a syndicate of wet nurses and mothers with inadequate flow.
I am certain the FEDS will bust these mothers next.


44 posted on 05/17/2011 7:18:34 PM PDT by Louis Foxwell (For love of Sarah, our country and the American Way of Life.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
Pastuerization kills the good bugs as well as the bad. The good bugs help those of us without much lacitate digest the milk sugars and the bad bugs come from unclean conditions. Moral of the story: keep the cows clean and there will be no problems.

Incidentally, here in Missouri, you can only buy raw milk directly from the farmer, so there are farmers that sell their milk in parking lots of friendly establishments straight to their customer lists. And there are MANY people on the wait lists to get raw milk from these farmers. It's really rather ridiculous.

45 posted on 05/17/2011 7:19:35 PM PDT by Desdemona ( If trusting the men in the clergy was a requirement for Faith, there would be no one in the pews.)
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To: digger48
The bacteria in raw milk doesn’t come from inside the cow.

Not true. The bacteria causing tuberculosis, listeriosis, and brucellosis are all there because the cow was sick. There are plenty of other pathogens that cows can be infected with that end up in the milk. Of course, unsanitary conditions during the milking process can introduce other bacteria into the milk, as well. Cows also get rabies... guess what happens to people who drink rabid cow milk.

Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report (MMWR. 1999;48:228-229), Mass Treatment of Humans Who Drank Unpasteurized Milk From Rabid Cows Massachusetts, 1996-1998

The above article says that the CDC (between 1990 and 1999) receives about 150 rabid cow reports per year.

Personally, I'll stick with the pasteurized stuff. It's not heated hot enough to even cook it; it's heated briefly to about 70 C, just hot enough to kill the pathogens (and not even other bacteria). If people want to drink raw milk, they should be able to--as long as it's labeled adequately.

46 posted on 05/17/2011 7:22:28 PM PDT by exDemMom (Now that I've finally accepted that I'm living a bad hair life, I'm more at peace with the world.)
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To: combat_boots
HUMAN breast milk is raw milk, too.

Ya, but a mom isn't covered in her own feces. I have been on many a diary cattle farms, drinking raw milk from a cow milked while it's standing in 2 inches of cow shit is a bad idea.

As for the jokes above about people dying in the past (sacarsm as if they didn't) but the truth is they did, and in large numbers.

Drinking raw milk from a cow is actually pretty risky.
47 posted on 05/17/2011 7:22:40 PM PDT by Scythian
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To: DJ MacWoW

that is why more people are not drinking the stuff


48 posted on 05/17/2011 7:24:42 PM PDT by television is just wrong
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To: brytlea

****One thing I didn’t care for was goat milk.****

Goats milk is very good. Naturally homoginized and very creamy.

People think that because goats stink the milk will stink. It does not.

Goat’s milk, when fed to calves will not give them the scours.


49 posted on 05/17/2011 7:24:42 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Click my name. See my home page, if you dare!)
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To: Scythian

Sigh. True.

I am such a fan of cheeses made from raw milk. I do know someone who just about died from tapeworm....gotten in France, from such cheeses.

Appenzeller and apples. With grapes and sourdough. Oh...my.


50 posted on 05/17/2011 7:25:47 PM PDT by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto.)
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To: Scythian

This is a distraction from the real issue. Cleaner milking facilities can always be arranged — milking does not need to happen in a feeding stall. In fact I would hope that our common supermarket milk, even though pasteurized and all, wasn’t extracted from cows who were standing in “2 inches of cow shit” at the time.


51 posted on 05/17/2011 7:26:51 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Hawk)
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To: org.whodat

***Believe me it was wild onions.***

There is nothing worse than a cow that has eaten wild onions. Even a slaughtered beef when cooked will stink if it has been eating wild onions. The only way to eat or drink that milk or beef is to take a bite of onion first, then youdon’t notice it so bad.


52 posted on 05/17/2011 7:27:13 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Click my name. See my home page, if you dare!)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

Think of it as pre-seasoned pot roast?


53 posted on 05/17/2011 7:28:07 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Hawk)
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To: combat_boots

Why would they die from a tapeworm though, those can be removed, and killed via humaworm and so forth? Strange, did they not know this person had a tapeworm?


54 posted on 05/17/2011 7:28:47 PM PDT by Scythian
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

I tasted it, I didn’t like it. I didn’t find the flavor appealing. I’m sure some people like it. I didn’t. I do like goat’s milk cheese. I also don’t like lamb meat. My husband loves it. Just one of those things.


55 posted on 05/17/2011 7:28:57 PM PDT by brytlea (If you don't know what APOD is you'd better find out!)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Well, the bottom line is, the govt should be telling people what they can and cannot buy.


56 posted on 05/17/2011 7:30:13 PM PDT by brytlea (If you don't know what APOD is you'd better find out!)
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To: television is just wrong
I grew up on a farm and have drank both. Nothing against raw milk and they should let this Amish guy alone.

That being said....

Homogenized milk is just as digestible. The molecules your body metabolizes for energy are still there. Boiling it doesn't make the nutrients indigestible any more than boiling an egg makes it indigestible.

57 posted on 05/17/2011 7:30:44 PM PDT by allmendream (Tea Party did not send the GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism.)
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To: Scythian

I don’t know. The guy was sick for months....and then, it became clear why. Someone must have done the right test.


58 posted on 05/17/2011 7:31:10 PM PDT by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto.)
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To: Yaelle

I could see facility cleanliness standards and bacteriological testing standards that would need to be met. Any milk that didn’t test right would either be diverted to pasteurization plants or discarded. But if the milk came from a state that deems it legal, and is going to a state that deems it legal, uncle sammo should just butt out of that trade.


59 posted on 05/17/2011 7:32:02 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Hawk)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
"...arguing that there are big risks to drinking fresh milk and that it brings no benefits over the pasteurized version."

That statement is factually incorrect. Pasteurization removes key digestive enzymes from the milk that allows people who are lactose intolerant to digest the milk without issue.

60 posted on 05/17/2011 7:33:15 PM PDT by RockyMtnMan
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