Posted on 05/06/2011 7:06:28 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
The good news: It’s a heavy blow to the Trump boomlet. The bad news: … none that I can think of, really.
Actually, the bad news is that I lose a vein of easy content to blog. Help me, viral videos, you’re my only hope.
More crosstabs from WaPo. The “Honolulu/Hawaii” column is the big one, obviously:
This poll was conducted before Obama’s announcement of the Bin Laden killing, in case you’re inclined to attribute the huge bounce to goodwill rather than evidence. Needless to say, the key lines are the ones for Republicans and Conservative Republicans; in both groups, the number of Birthers was cut by more than half after the birth certificate revelation. (In fact, it was likely deeper than that. Birtherism had been spiking in the last few weeks since Trump mainstreamed the issue, so it was probably higher than the April 2010 numbers shown here.) I argued a few weeks ago that, contrary to big media’s received wisdom, Birthers aren’t a homogeneous group but rather a mix of hardcore and softcore believers, the latter of which were simply misinformed because they weren’t following the issue closely. These numbers bear that out. Which, for Chris Matthews, means … what? Republicans are racist, but maybe not quite as racist as he thought? What happens to the narrative?
Some people were hassling me in Headlines over this poll because I suggested yesterday in the post about the Bin Laden photos that evidence doesn’t convince skeptics anymore. Fair enough; at the very least, I should have qualified that by specifying that I meant skeptics with an agenda. But give the Birther issue time. I’ll be mighty keen to see if the numbers still look like this in six months — which, theoretically, they should — or if they start to creep back up as discontent with Obama’s policies rises and/or hardcore Birthers regroup and start challenging the long-form birth certificate. Trump had better hope so. Somehow, I don’t see the “trade war with China” platform carrying him to the nomination.
Hm?....Do you mean the highest officers that are willingly integrating homosexuals into the ranks, have our brave women soldiers wearing head scarves, women on submarines, and are soooooo loyal to their honorable troops that they go along with nutty rules of engagement?
Sorry!....When did overlooking and ignoring blatant forgeries, dishonesty, and fraud in the chain of command become the new military code of honor?
Honestly.... I don't know why God doesn't strike these highest officers with lightening when they accept a salute from the Usurper in Chief. Do they feel any shame when they accept a salute from our incredibly dedicated troops? Are the consciences of these highest military officers past feeling?
Where is the evidence that these highest officers, ( when fraud is being shoved up their noses) sought peaceful and legal clarification from congress, the courts, and Obama himself, with certifiable evidence that Obama was a legitimate Commander in Chief?
If a corrupt congress, weenie judges, and a despicable Obama refuse to provide that evidence these highest officers should have a very public press conference and they should peacefully and legally resign! Then the next layer of officers should do the same (legally and peacefully) all the way down to 2nd lieutenant.
Our Founding Fathers did NOT intend that our highest officers be robots. They take a **solemn** oath before God to defend the Constitution. They do not take an oath to overlook fraud, corruption, and criminality. They do not take an oath to blindly follow the orders of a criminally fraudulent usurper.
My conclusion: Perks and a pension are more important to these highest officers than the brave, dedicated, and honorable men and women serving under them, the Constitution, and military code of honor. Our troops deserve better.
This whole BC thing is a put up. A "Fairy Tale"!
It's a "sleight" of hand and there is no reason to have not put an original copy of his Long Form Birth Certificate out there in the 1st place.
But, think of it. There are three that are known to exist or have existed and he has at least two in his possession:
Let them claim there is no long form.
1st. They and everyone has said all along the COLB is an abstract. A COLB is a walkup document, meaning you can walk up to the desk, ask for your BC and they will provide an abstract, called a COLB in about 10 minutes. That means there is a long form and Hawaii statutes, starting at (318)
2nd. Hawaii already said they have seen Barry O.'s vital records and issued two statements - blah, blah, blah, right?
3rd. Barry O. never had to show his long form BC ever, in his life, for anything? Like obtaining a passport. That one document is better than a drivers license. It saying to the world you are who is contained in the passport document, which is based on an investigation of your background and YOU MUST provide a Birth Certificate as foundational proof of who YOU say you are. From there the State Department does their background check on you and if you are who you say you are with no amendments, modifications or whatever to your identity they issue it clean.
Most adults can go to a desk or filing cabinet in his house and produce a birth certificate in a few minutes?
Barry O. tried to pass of something that was inconsistent with what the rest of us have and know to be a “Birth Certificate”.
The so called COLB has many flaws with it:
The best part and even more confusing is why he didn't release any of the three Birth Certificates we know already existed before 2007?
Those were most certainly Birth Certificates and not a COLB. There is no reason to create confusion but, for the fact he is hiding something.
That something will be discovered, though and this is a long process.
“I discovered this article, folded away among my birth certificate and old vaccination forms, when I was in high school. It’s a short piece, with a photograph of him. No mention is made of my mother or me, and I’m left to wonder whether the omission was intentional on my father’s part, in anticipation of his long departure. Perhaps the reporter failed to ask personal questions, intimidated by my father’s imperious manner; or perhaps it was an editorial decision, not part of the simple story that they were looking for. I wonder, too, whether the omission caused a fight between my parents.”
From “Dreams of My Father” (Pg. 26 last paragraph)
So with all these Birth Certificates lying around, why did he feel it necessary to produce a "Certification of Live Birth" that is inconsistent with a Birth Certificate and wholly lacking all of the information you would find, in you know, a Birth Certificate?
He seemed to have some emotional attachment to the Birth Certificate found among his mother’s belongings. Why wouldn’t he just slap that one up, for the entire world to see?
It seemed important that he found a document that is called a “Birth Certificate” and it is highly unlikely he would not know what one looks like.
Hope no one brings up some house fire that vaporized his BC. That was in 1972 and none of the documents listed here would have been affected by that “fishy” event.
The point of the birth certificate is to uncover this man's past for it's factual existence and not the narrative we have been told.
We want to know if he ever traveled, went to school in America, obtained loans, etc in another name or as a foreign student or as a foreigner!!!!
That is what we are after at a minimum.
Finally, there can be no doubt Barak was in fact born with a divided citizenship. He proudly admits as much.
That means if he were conscripted by draft into the United States Military during a conflict, when he was 18, he could have avoided the draft by simply returning to another country of his citizenship. We know and he admits he was a citizen of Kenya at the age of 18 so he could have returned with no penalty, to Kenya and not even I would call him a draft dodger if he had under those circumstances.
You are wholly one thing or another but not two distinctly different and separate things that conflict with each other's existence.
He was born with a divided allegiance and is "Not a Natural Born Citizen". Might be a citizen but, he ain't a Natural Born Citizen.
I hate to flatter, but you write Amazingly astute posts! You often say what i’m thinking.
It just hit me.
Do we really know if Bill Clinton is a “Natural Born Citizen”? Was there a paternity test done to show who his father was? If so it wouldn't be as accurate as a DNA test.
This would be a great way to eliminate candidates for U.S. presidents. If it is not possible to obtain a DNA sample from the corpse of their father or say the body has been cremated, hey tough luck. This should be the first question of all candidates for U.S. president. Where is your DNA test results of you and your father?
Funny, on FR I’ve ssen numerous freepers say that they used to not think it was a big deal, he was born here, etc and after the release of the newest forgery are now convinced he either wasn’t born here or is hiding something else just as damning.
As is that of all the Founders. Perhaps that's why they never specified in the Constitution what they meant by "natural born citizen." Or perhaps, like much of US law, they based it on Common Law, and expected everyone to understand that.
Madison was arguing for a seat in Congress. I daresay he would not make such an argument for Seating a President.
Madison made a clear statement - that place was the criterion that applied in the United States. He didn't qualify by saying "in this instance only" or "for this but not that."
The billboards should have read “Natural Born” or native born? Along side the famous Øbama graphic.
People that question his legitimacy already don't like him. It's just another vector to channel the dislike. It's not winning converts from people who love his policies, but are also die hard Constitutionalists. That Venn diagram would show precious little overlap.
No, all this does is build sympathy for his supporters, and convinces the middle that birthers (and their allies) deal in speculation and not in facts. It's hard to argue policy issues when your side has a reputation for being wide eyed conspiracy theorists.
The 9/11 truthers ran into this same issue, and were isolated and marginalized by serious Democratic politicians. Sure it 'detracted and hurt the legitimacy' of GW Bush, but it was counterproductive for the left, at best.
I now believe he is legitimate, but he has managed to get away with putting over a lie on the American People.
If you think he's legitimate, then what lie are you referring to?
(Aside from, obviously, everything he's ever said about anything.)
Good post. Thanks.
And his military colleagues have now seen that Lakin sat in jail for 6 months because we have an enemy combatant pretending to be CINC.
These guys are not pansies. They just killed a man who tried to destroy America.
God grant them success in protecting the US Constitution from ALL enemies, both foreign and domestic, as they swore on their sacred honor to do.
see my post at 105.
Anyone can be named as a father on a B.C. The only true way to determine the father is through DNA testing.
Incorrect. The hospital owns hospital records. Official birth certificates are issued by states, who keep the originals. Hospital birth certificates are not considered official, more on the order of mementos.
“Release of Obama birth certificate cuts number of Birthers in half”
Release the pictures!
How can that not scare the crap out of any thinking person?
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Yes! It does scare me bloodless, because it means the “system” is rotten and being scammed.
If the “system” is sound. If we have honest elections, courts, rule of law, and law enforcement, then simply by the law of natural consequences and the pain voters feel, bad policies will be self correcting.
That a usurper has been allowed to get away with occupying the White House of 2 years and that our highest military no longer see criminal fraud as being against their code of honor....well,...YES! It is, indeed, SCARY! It means that our entire system is corrupt. That includes our state secretaries of state, governors, state attorneys general, federal representatives and Senators, our courts, and ( worst of all and our last line of defense) our **highest** military!
Eventually, if we continue to have elections they will be meaningless because how the votes are counted will be complete corrupt.
The law doesn’t care much at all about biology.
The legal father is the person listed on the legal document certifying live birth.
This has been established via many a man finding out after the fact that he isn’t the father (and 10% of children are not biologically related to their legal father) - and then finding out THE LAW DOES NOT CARE.
So even if you could prove via DNA that Malcolm X or Franklin Marshall Davis or Martin Luther King was ‘really’ the father - as a matter of law it wouldn’t matter one bit.
Good! Especially since a good chunk, 1 out of 10 to 1 of 8 people is an illegal. Those were the numbers 5 years ago and it's risen since. That's no including anchor babies who spend as much time on the north side of the border as they do on the south so have no sense of homeland or why borders exist.
I had an 8th grader in history class one day whine that we're so mean to illegals - whaaa, my family should be able to live here and get welfare just like everyone else, whaaa, whaaa, whaaa. The other students said I was wasting my time with her but I proceeded with a discussion of taxpayers' dollars and government freebies - more whaaaaa! She started in on the border and how it shouldn't exist. I brought the discussion down to levels she could understand such as do you live in a house? Yes. Do you have doors on your house? Yes. Do you have locks on your doors to keep people out of your house? Yes. So, you dare lock me out of your house? Of course. So, you'd be upset if I went into your house, uninvited, plopped myself down on your couch, turned on your tv and started eating your food? Yes. You'd be mad and you'd call the cops to get me out, right? Of course. Well, then whaaaaaa, why can't I trespass into your house but illegals can trespass into my country, huh? Of course, she retorted with whaaaaa, you're so mean!!!!
This mindset is what we're already seeing in our government and lawmakers. Imagine what it will be like when she's eligible to vote and run for office.
So a “forgery” cut the number in half? You called it a “birth certificate.”
It doesn’t scare the crap out of me because I think Obama is a natural born, U.S. citizen. You are the people who scare me, because the nonsense you people are still dispensing puts us all in a negative light. My advice to you is to stop the nonsense and get on to serious issues. Bottom line: there’s no way in hell Obama is going to be thrown out of office because of the birther issue. Quit it now.
You’ve been at the forefront of this issue. If you are demoralized...... there’s not much hope for the rest of us on this. I’ve decided not to invest so much of myself into the issue any more because of all the reasons you stated. I have resorted to believing that the truth will set us free and will take a wait and see attitude. We already know we can’t count on the media to investigate anything obama does. I often wonder, don’t people who work in the media have children and grandchildren they care about? Don’t they have retirement portfolios on the line? Don’t they have a vested interest in providing the best healthcare for their families? Is obama so worth it to them? Or is it something more sinister? It makes no sense that the ENTIRE democrat party stand lock step in both houses, the ENTIRE media will not speak out against him, the Republicans in office will not fight him even though we overwhelmingly won the house. I’m at a loss at this point.
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