Posted on 05/01/2011 3:35:44 AM PDT by grundle
Expert says lack of "chromatic aberration" means Obama BC is computer generated, not photocopy
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The video was great. The guy did an excellent job. Made it easy to understand.
I'm posting a site: See the 5th Item "children with one citizen parent and one non-citizen parent"
(At least 5 of the 10 years that your parent lived in the United States must have been after your citizen parent's 14th birthday.
http://www.illinoislegalaid.org/index.cfm?fuseaction=home.dsp_content&contentID=976
It's irrelevant. She could have been 13 and it wouldn't impact Obama's citizenship status. The passage you're referring to deals specifically with foreign birth, not birth on US soil.
The citizenship status of your parents has absolutely no impact of your citizenship if you're born on US soil and your parents aren't armed foreign invaders or foreign diplomats. See: United States v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. 649 (1898).
Ping for later
What Obama provided is not a photocopy. It's a PDF created from a computerized document management system. In this particular case, the document is stored on microfiche. The large, computerized microfiche machine gives the user the option to print a hard copy, or a PDF or both. What we see is the PDF option, "printed" (electronically) from that machine. No one "photocopied" anything.
I recently received a birth certificate for my son from Co. that was computer generated. We used it to enroll in Cherokee Nation but it was not accepted without my first signing a notarized affidavit swearing I was his mother & he was not adopted. It’s not a fraud just because it’s computer generated but it seems strange that states would do that if it so easily raises questions of authenticity........
I see your point...Thanks for the input
That case is widely debated. Obama appears to have dual citizenship. Can his father be considered a “diplomat”?
Widely debated or not, it's still the law of the land.
Obama appears to have dual citizenship.
Most American Jews, via Israel's "right of return" enjoy the same kind of "dual citizenship" that Obama enjoys - a kind of passive citizenship. Does that mean Joe Lieberman can't be president and shouldn't have been allowed to run on Gore's ticket?
American law is silent on dual citizenship. It neither recognizes or doesn't recognize that legal condition. And, as a practical legal matter, holding citizenship in a foreign country has absolutely no impact on US citizenship.
"Can his father be considered a “diplomat”?"
Diplomats are "considered". It's like being pregnant - you either aren't or you are. You are either in this country on a diplomatic passport, or you're not. Obama's father was quite clearly not in this country on a diplomatic passport.
These documents are an **important** hospital record. It does happen rarely that babies are switched and these records, held by the hospital, are essential in proving identity of the baby.
Personally, I would like information from the so-called hospital. Do handwritten entries in the bound delivery room logs exists. Do billing and medical records exist.
Does it really matter if the document was computer generated, hand copied, photo copied, retyped on a form, etc as long as the info that is certified is what is in the HI records? The form has a certification from some official along with a transmittial letter of authenticy. No one is going to get the original document they have on file no matter what it is.
How did Obama’s lawyers bring the “pdf” back from HI?
I’ll expound upon that while waiting for your reply. We were told that Obama’s lawyers went to HI and were given two hard copies of his BC. How did those hardcopies get onto the WH website without being either scanned or photocopied?
The exact same way I "bring back PDFs" from the several law libraries I frequent - a flash drive. This happens everyday in college libraries all across the country.
In fact, several of the systems I have used allow you to email yourself the PDFs right from the DM machine.
They were not given flash drive files...they were given “copies.”
In fact the copies were then stamped with the date and the stamp of the registrar.
Chromatic aberration! Ha haaaaa!!!
Why do you suppose the Constitution draws a distinction between the President, who must be a "natural born citizen" and the Senate who must be a "citizen"?
There is this:
During the process of developing a new U.S. Constitution Alexander Hamilton submitted a suggested draft for a Constitution on June 18, 1787. He also submitted to the framers a proposal for the qualification requirements in Article II as to the necessary Citizenship status for the office of President and Commander in Chief of the Military.
Alexander Hamilton’s suggested presidential eligibility clause:
"No person shall be eligible to the office of President of the United States unless he be now a Citizen of one of the States, or hereafter be born a Citizen of the United States."
John Jay wrote in a letter to George Washington dated 25 Jul 1787:
"Permit me to hint, whether it would be wise and seasonable to provide a strong check to the admission of Foreigners into the administration of our national Government; and to declare expressly that the Commander in Chief of the American army shall not be given to nor devolve on, any but a natural born Citizen. "
Article II, Section 1, Clause 5 of U.S. Constitution as adopted 17 Sep 1787:
"No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States."
Why do the authors use the term "natural born citizen" distinctly from "citizen"? They seem to understand it among themselves, where did they get it and what did it mean to them?
What did this cite mean?:
"The Constitution does not, in words, say who shall be natural-born citizens. Resort must be had elsewhere to ascertain that. At common-law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives, or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners.
Chief Justice Morrison Waite, from Minor v. Happersett, cited by Justice Horace Gray as the meaning of natural born citizenship in United States v Wong Kim Ark
Big, industrial/enterprise document management systems - like the one I'm sure the state of HI uses - gives the users flexibility to print to pdf, or print to hard-copy, or both.
I haven't looked at the PDF closely, so I'm not sure if it's embossed with a seal of the state of HI. If it is, it's likely that the state printed out a hard copy, then physically embossed that copy with the state seal and signed it. Obama's representatives then returned to the states with that copy(ies), and then scanned to PDF to post it on the website. Again, that wouldn't be unusual because almost all business scanners natively posses the capability to scan to PDF.
Back to the state's system, some of those enterprise systems also have the ability to electronically "watermark" those PDFs, so that's also a possible way that they're embossed with the seal. You'd have to ask the state of HI how they specifically do it.
Frequently however, the law and "logic" are two disparate characters in the same play.
You make the same argument many people make here. Then, you go on to quote the Constitution or Vattell or someone else. As a legal argument, it's wholly unpersuasive. If you can point to a precedential Court ruling on the central legal argument - that anchor babies aren't natural-born citizens, then that would be persuasive. You can't.
Until the Supreme Court says that "anchor babies" aren't natural-born citizens, then as a practical legal matter, they are. Moreover, Barack Obama is not an "anchor baby". He is quite clearly a man born on US soil to at least on US citizen parent.
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