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Speakers question science behind lizard concerns (Dunes Sagebrush Lizard)
Midland Reporter-Telegram ^ | 27 April 2011 | Mella McEwan

Posted on 04/28/2011 8:06:22 PM PDT by Army Air Corps

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To: Army Air Corps
Isn't it a bit strange that such an endangered, irreplaceable, valuable animal is living in nine counties of two states? That's quite some territory. How many lizards are enough to claim a county - one, two, ten, a hundred? If more then they aren't endangered - not any more than sparrows or field mice. Hmm, I probably shouldn't have mentioned mice.
41 posted on 04/28/2011 9:16:37 PM PDT by Greysard
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Gnight all.

GOD Bless


42 posted on 04/28/2011 9:17:57 PM PDT by mylife
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To: LUV W

Never seen a Blackberry patch down here in mylife, but I sure hone in on them bramble berrys

They are a chore to harvest


43 posted on 04/28/2011 9:20:55 PM PDT by mylife
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To: Deaf Smith

Uh oh, you may be off to the Eco-Gulag for your crimes against Gaia. ;-)


44 posted on 04/28/2011 9:21:28 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: mylife

We picked a lot of them in Georgia when we lived out there. They grew wild along the sides of the roads. Lots of people out there gathering. I actually made some pretty boss pies with them! :) (believe it or not....)


45 posted on 04/28/2011 9:23:38 PM PDT by luvie (GOP? You need to fight like a GIRL!!~~Sarah Palin)
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To: LUV W

These SOBs was fat like Blackberry’s back home! but they were only like 5 of them on the vine.

I’m going hunting, I know a spot.


46 posted on 04/28/2011 9:25:54 PM PDT by mylife
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To: LUV W

You ? bake a Pie? LOL!!


47 posted on 04/28/2011 9:27:58 PM PDT by mylife
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To: mylife

Wish I could go with ya! :)


48 posted on 04/28/2011 9:28:13 PM PDT by luvie (GOP? You need to fight like a GIRL!!~~Sarah Palin)
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To: mylife

It happened! LOL!


49 posted on 04/28/2011 9:30:34 PM PDT by luvie (GOP? You need to fight like a GIRL!!~~Sarah Palin)
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To: LUV W

I didnt know ya lived in Ga.

Dang. I had some serious breakfast there


50 posted on 04/28/2011 9:30:44 PM PDT by mylife
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To: LUV W

I used to piss my Mom off with elderberrys, she said She’d make a pie, but “By God”, we were gonna clean the berry’s.


51 posted on 04/28/2011 9:35:57 PM PDT by mylife
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Gnight Gang


52 posted on 04/28/2011 9:37:18 PM PDT by mylife
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To: Army Air Corps

Whatever it takes to punish Whitey.

Pray for America


53 posted on 04/28/2011 9:39:52 PM PDT by bray (The Country Club can hold THEIR noses this election)
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To: mylife

Yep...when Mr. LUV was in the Air Force. They do know how
to make breakfast.

Except for the grits. I can live without grits. :)


54 posted on 04/28/2011 9:40:53 PM PDT by luvie (GOP? You need to fight like a GIRL!!~~Sarah Palin)
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To: mylife

Nite, MY! See ya next time.


55 posted on 04/28/2011 9:42:23 PM PDT by luvie (GOP? You need to fight like a GIRL!!~~Sarah Palin)
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To: LUV W

I had some serious breakfast in GA


56 posted on 04/28/2011 9:53:15 PM PDT by mylife
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To: mylife

Well, I know how you love your breakfast! :)


57 posted on 04/28/2011 9:57:45 PM PDT by luvie (GOP? You need to fight like a GIRL!!~~Sarah Palin)
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To: bray

This idiocy affects all races out here in the oil patch.

Zero hates AMERICA! Period.


58 posted on 04/28/2011 10:00:12 PM PDT by luvie (GOP? You need to fight like a GIRL!!~~Sarah Palin)
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To: Army Air Corps; LegendHasIt; Rogle; leapfrog0202; Santa Fe_Conservative; DesertDreamer; ...
Excellent read, especially this:

A number of speakers questioned the science behind determining the lizard was endangered, including Dan Womochel, a veteran field biologist.

"I've read all the papers available, and there's a tremendous amount of information there," he said. "There's also a tremendous amount of information that should be there but isn't."

The baseline information, he said that is collected by field biologists and submitted for consideration could not be found in most publications, he said, though there is "a tremendous amount of undocumented material or anecdotal data. It is completely inadequate data available to the scientific community to make a rational decision on whether this species should be listed. And no one has mentioned what constitutes a viable population. After 50-plus years of oil operations, you can still go out and catch lizards.

Amy Porter pointed out that the listed areas have been subject to grazing for 150 years and oil and gas operations for 50 years and "there is still a viable population of lizards. We believe many of the conclusions cited as justification are based on unreliable data collected over a short period of time under uncertain conditions, possibly by unqualified personnel."

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59 posted on 04/28/2011 10:16:49 PM PDT by CedarDave (Obama's energy policy: Take unicorn poop and turn it into renewable energy.)
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To: LUV W

BUMP!


60 posted on 04/28/2011 10:25:51 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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