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India says no to US fighter planes (EF, Rafale shortlisted)
Hindustan Times ^ | 28th April 2011

Posted on 04/27/2011 6:29:56 PM PDT by cold start

India has told the United States that it will not be buying American for its $10-billion fighter aircraft deal. This more or less leaves the Eurofighter Typhoon and the French Rafale as the only remaining contenders for the deal. The two US contenders, Boeing and Lockheed, received formal letters fr om the Indian Ministry of Defence as to why their respective aircraft, the F/A-18 Superhornet and the F-16 Superviper, did not fulfil the technical requirements of Medium Multirole Combat Aircraft contract, said US and Indian sources.

Defence Minister AK Antony has been signaling privately for weeks that the Indian Air Force and his ministry would go for one of the European fighters.

The Russian contender, the MiG 30, along with the Swedish Gripen received similar notes as the US firms.

The Indian notification will come as a major shock to bilateral relations. Washington had seen such a purchase, the first time India would be buying a US warplane, as a sign of India's interest in upgrading strategic relations.

Indian officials were quick to say that Indo-US relations were greater than a single arms purchase. But given that it follows on US nuclear reactor purchases being bogged down in liability issues, the decision will strengthen Indo-skeptics in Washington.

New Delhi will hide behind technical reasons, the two European fighters are generally seen as aerodynamically superior if not necessarily better fighting platforms.


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: f15; f18; foreignpolicy; india; indousrelations; mrca; obama; us
Govt shortlists Eurofighter, Rafale for fighter jets:

New Delhi: The Defence Ministry has shortlisted Eurofighter Typhoon and Dassault Rafale from among six competitors participating in the $10.5-billion tender to provide the Indian Air Force with Medium Multi-role Combat Aircraft (MMRCA), say sources.

The Dassault and the Eurofighter, according to sources, are the only participants asked to extend the validity of their commercial bids and have been called to the Defence Ministry on Thursday, the sources add.

Sources also say that the other competitors - Boeing F/A-18, Lockheed-Martin's F-16, UAC's MiG-35 and Saab's Gripen - haven't received a message or a letter.

The MMRCA deal is meant to provide the Indian Air Force with approximately 126 new state-of-the-art fighter aircraft.

http://www.ndtv.com/article/india/govt-shortlists-eurofighter-rafale-for-fighter-jets-sources-101947

1 posted on 04/27/2011 6:30:05 PM PDT by cold start
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To: cold start

Another fail for the Big O!


2 posted on 04/27/2011 6:32:17 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: cold start

The Indians aren’t stupid. They see how 0bama has treated our other allies. Why would they want to upgrade their strategic relationship with an USA led by this buffoon?


3 posted on 04/27/2011 6:41:01 PM PDT by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus ("Here's a special shout out to my pal Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus!" (Sarah Palin, Sept. 31, 2010))
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To: Jack Hydrazine
The real question is what jets U.S. will have in Pacific theater in let's say 2025.

What bases will be available?

Chess game has started.

4 posted on 04/27/2011 6:49:47 PM PDT by DTA (U.S. CENTCOM vs. U.S. AFRICOM)
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To: Jack Hydrazine
Another fail for the Big O!


5 posted on 04/27/2011 6:55:34 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: dfwgator
didn't the Saudis cancel their order for 600 Billion over Mubarak?
6 posted on 04/27/2011 7:02:40 PM PDT by scooby321
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To: cold start

There’s a reason why Indian wants the Rafale: possible license production. That way, they could build both the regular Rafale for the Indian Air Force and the Rafale M for the Indian Navy, especially since the Indian Navy plans to have four new aircraft carriers by 2020.


7 posted on 04/27/2011 8:34:21 PM PDT by RayChuang88 (FairTax: America's economic cure)
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To: dfwgator

Great photo!


8 posted on 04/27/2011 8:35:00 PM PDT by newzjunkey
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9 posted on 04/27/2011 9:11:08 PM PDT by Nachum (The complete Obama list at www.nachumlist.com)
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To: scooby321

“didn’t the Saudis cancel their order for 600 Billion over Mubarak?”

It was $60 billion, but yes.


10 posted on 04/28/2011 5:24:34 AM PDT by PreciousLiberty
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To: RayChuang88
F-16s and F-18s failed the technical evaluation and were found to be quite inferior to Eurofighter and Rafale. Beside the Europeans are ready to offer TOT and other offsets without the need for CISMOA. The US was trying to sell old inferior fighters with too many strings attached. That is where US lost out.
11 posted on 04/28/2011 6:43:39 AM PDT by ravager
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The “strings attached” were probably the deal killer. They did not want to be dependent on US for spare parts that could be withheld if some US administration wanted to squeeze them.


12 posted on 04/28/2011 7:03:18 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 ("It is only when we've lost everything, that we are free to do anything" -- Fight Club)
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To: PapaBear3625

According to official reports there are four aircrafts that failed the technical evaluation. Now we know those are F-16, F/A-18 E/F, Mig 35 and Grippen. In addition the CISMOA and EUMA was a sore point of contention between US and India (and is likely to impact future deals). Also Obama administration has stalled the negotiations over the purchase of American nuclear reactors over liability issues.


13 posted on 04/28/2011 8:08:01 AM PDT by ravager
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To: ravager

I still say the Rafale is now in the lead because you know Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) wants license production rights, and since the French AF Ralafe and French Navy Rafale share many common components, that could mean a long production run at HAL, possibly over 300 planes.


14 posted on 04/28/2011 10:44:26 AM PDT by RayChuang88 (FairTax: America's economic cure)
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To: RayChuang88
The Eurofighter Consortium has also indicated that should India pick the Eurofighter for the MMRCA they would work on a Sea Typhoon for the Indian navy. Saab also touted the idea of Sea Grippen. Indian navy already operates Mig 29K not very different from the Mig 35s.
15 posted on 04/28/2011 11:55:24 AM PDT by ravager
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To: ravager
Here's the problem with the Eurofighter Typhoon: it was never designed with carrier operations in mind. The Rafale was designed that way (that's why the French Aeronavale operates the Rafale M), and as such, the Indian Navy if they buy the Rafale will already have a carrier-ready plane for the four aircraft carriers that the Indian Navy plans to field by 2020.
16 posted on 04/28/2011 1:43:49 PM PDT by RayChuang88 (FairTax: America's economic cure)
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To: cold start
http://www.ndtv.com/article/india/govt-shortlists-eurofighter-rafale-for-fighter-jets-sources-101947 ...................................................... FRegards
17 posted on 04/28/2011 8:36:25 PM PDT by gonzo ( Buy more ammo, dammit! You should already have the firearms .................. FRegards)
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To: RayChuang88
When MMRCA numbers are expected to be somewhere around 200-250 the concern over commonality with 20-40 odd naval fighters isnt likely to be a compelling reason. The navy has been looking at the F-35s and Naval Tejas LCA MK2 as possible options. So Rafale isnt likely to be the only player.
18 posted on 04/28/2011 8:48:38 PM PDT by ravager
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To: RayChuang88
Besides its not all that difficult to harden the under-carriage of the EF2000. The naval Mig 29K India uses weren't originally designed as naval fighters either.
19 posted on 04/29/2011 6:16:45 AM PDT by ravager
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