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Agnostic's Dreaded Verdict: Birthers Are (Mainly) Right (Long Article)
IBD Editorials ^ | April 25, 2011 | JOHN F. GASKI

Posted on 04/25/2011 4:34:53 PM PDT by Kaslin

First Of Two Parts

I will give you the unpleasant punch line upfront: There is sufficient evidence to reasonably conclude that Barack Obama is probably not a U.S. citizen, therefore constitutionally ineligible to be president of the United States.

The fact that he has been serving in that office would then be not only the most audacious hoax in world history — at least since the Trojan Horse. It also creates a constitutional crisis of the first magnitude that will take decades to straighten out.

We will now approach this one step at a time to break the news to you gradually.

First, what makes anyone think that Obama is really a citizen of the U.S., natural born or otherwise? What hard evidence is there to rely on?

The evidentiary test for citizenship is a ridiculously low hurdle, and Obama has not been able to surmount it — except to the satisfaction of 50 careless state secretaries of state who certified eligibility to run in the 2008 presidential election, even though the Obama campaign organization did not produce an original birth certificate or any other evidence of citizenship. Typical quality for government work!

Real U.S. citizens are required to demonstrate hard proof of that type all the time for countless purposes, from obtaining a passport to playing Little League baseball, and Obama still cannot find his birth certificate. And now, in a remarkable coincidence, neither can the state government of Hawaii! More on that later.

(Excerpt) Read more at investors.com ...


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KEYWORDS: birthcertificate; certifigate; ibdeditorials; naturalborncitizen; obama
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To: Uncle Miltie
The article does not feel like IBD. While there are several enjoyable lines in “Part 1,” I'd say that there are replies written to FR that are more cogent and concise, honestly. Entirely too many adjectives there.

I'll believe this represents something other than stirring the pot for site traffic when it's confirmed that this also appeared in print and not solely online.

21 posted on 04/25/2011 5:05:22 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: Kaslin

I live in the country, it’s almost 8 PM, I’m in for the night. If this appeared in print, wonderful. I really don’t believe that it did, though.


22 posted on 04/25/2011 5:07:48 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: reefdiver

I have a feeling that Doctor is going to be exonerated, reinstated and honored by the next President. Possibly as her first official act after taking office.


23 posted on 04/25/2011 5:08:17 PM PDT by Ronin ("A society of sheep must in time beget a government of wolves" -- Bertrand de Jouve)
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To: Mr. Jazzy

The Donald is making it OK to be a birther


24 posted on 04/25/2011 5:09:49 PM PDT by dennisw (nzt - "works better if you're already smart")
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To: Kaslin

In addition, isn’t it true that the Common Law definition of Natural Born Citizen includes:

1) Birth in the Country, AND
2) Mother and Father both naturalized citizens of said country?

Doesn’t Barry Soetoro fail #2, because his Father was a British subject?

That’s a simpler more direct attack, and doesn’t rely on any birth record whatsoever.


25 posted on 04/25/2011 5:10:16 PM PDT by Uncle Miltie (0bamanomics: Trickle Up Poverty.)
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To: Kaslin

Chester A. Arthur (1829–1886), 21st president of the United States, was rumored to have been born in Canada.[39][40] This was never demonstrated by his Democratic opponents, although Arthur Hinman, an attorney who had investigated Arthur’s family history, raised the objection during his vice-presidential campaign and after the end of his Presidency. Arthur was born in Vermont to a U.S. citizen mother and a father from Ireland, who was eventually naturalized as a U.S. citizen. Despite the fact that his parents took up residence in the United States somewhere between 1822 and 1824,[41] Chester Arthur additionally began to claim between 1870 and 1880[42] that he had been born in 1830, rather than in 1829, which only caused minor confusion and was even used in several publications.[43] Arthur was sworn in as president when President Garfield died after being shot. Since his Irish father William was naturalized 14 years after Chester Arthur’s birth,[44] his citizenship status at birth is unclear, because he was born before the 1868 ratification of the 14th Amendment, which provided that any person born on United States territory and being subject to the jurisdiction thereof was considered a born U.S. citizen, and because he was a British subject at birth by patrilineal jus sanguinis.[45] Arthur’s natural-born citizenship status is therefore equally unclear.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_Born_Citizen_Clause


26 posted on 04/25/2011 5:18:04 PM PDT by Uncle Miltie (0bamanomics: Trickle Up Poverty.)
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To: Uncle Miltie

On #2, I believe natural born citizen means born here in the states or territory to parents that were either citizen by birth or one was naturalized and the other was born here


27 posted on 04/25/2011 5:21:42 PM PDT by Kaslin (Acronym for OBAMA: One Big Ass Mistake America)
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To: Kaslin

Since Daddy 0bama was a Kenyan subject of the British Crown, doesn’t that disqualify him from “Natural Born Citizen” status all by itself?


28 posted on 04/25/2011 5:25:00 PM PDT by Uncle Miltie (0bamanomics: Trickle Up Poverty.)
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To: Kaslin
Here is a image (or link if it won't print) of a birth certificate issued the day after Obama's birth:

http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x189/ezmoney1/HawiianBirthCertificate.jpg

It contains the hospital, doctor's name and race of parents. It does not list their religion.

29 posted on 04/25/2011 5:33:20 PM PDT by CedarDave (Obama's energy policy: Take unicorn poop and turn it into renewable energy.)
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To: Kaslin

Right - for exactly the same reason - he’s not a second generation citizen. With all respect to yourself, the founders put that requirement because 1st gen citizens are more likely to harbour allegience to other countries/princes/etc.


30 posted on 04/25/2011 5:37:16 PM PDT by Christian Engineer Mass (25ish Cambridge MA grad student. Many conservative Christians my age out there? __ Click my name)
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To: Christian Engineer Mass

the former gov. of California is a naturalized citizen...he was not born in this country.


31 posted on 04/25/2011 5:37:23 PM PDT by scoastie
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To: CedarDave

Now that didn’t seem to be too difficult - so where’s Obama’s???


32 posted on 04/25/2011 5:38:03 PM PDT by jda ("Righteousness exalts a nation . . .")
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To: Kaslin

ruh roh


33 posted on 04/25/2011 5:40:58 PM PDT by Mr. Peabody
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To: Uncle Miltie

Yessir, it certainly is! My goodness. Times have changed.


34 posted on 04/25/2011 5:46:21 PM PDT by MestaMachine (If you want to pillage,plunder,destroy, blaspheme,or defile, become a muslim, or name yourself obama)
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To: CedarDave

It lists Caucasian as race, which is white. 0bama’s fake COLB lists his father as African, which is not a race, because an African can also be white


35 posted on 04/25/2011 5:46:22 PM PDT by Kaslin (Acronym for OBAMA: One Big Ass Mistake America)
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To: 353FMG
The reason that Obama is in the WH is due to a flagrant and intentional transgression of constitutional law perpetrated by politicians belonging to both parties of the political spectrum.

The true depth of this treasonous scandal is yet to be revealed.




It helps to remember that the Clinton-Bush coziness goes back to the days of Iran-Contra, when Papa Bush was supervising covert arms shipments to Latin America out of Arkansas (with drugs making the return trip) and Governor Clinton was busy looking the other way. Further, as was clear during abortive Republican investigations into various Clinton scandals, in the culture of impunity of Washington, politics stops at corruption's edge. Almost all major corruption is either bipartisan or common enough that one side can effectively blackmail the other.


36 posted on 04/25/2011 5:46:57 PM PDT by glock rocks (Wait, what?)
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To: Kaslin
Then, again, there is the notorious "Certification of Live Birth," a decades-later reproduction of some of the information from an original birth certificate, supposedly.

There is? All anyone has seen have photographs taken at the Obama Campaign headquarters in 2008, by two professional Leftists from 'Factcheck'. This supposedly of a COLB laser-printed from the HI DOH.

Laser printing is for legal documents because the ink is heated and fuses with the paper, making it indelible.

But, what's this? Between when the Daily Kos/Fight the Smears and the Factcheck photograph was taken, the ink in the HI seal eroded at the fold.

The Factcheck COLB is not a laser printed HI DOH document.

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37 posted on 04/25/2011 5:48:55 PM PDT by Plutarch
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To: Kaslin
Kudos to IBD for running this outstanding piece by Notre Dame's Dr. Gaski; I particularly liked this paragraph:

The circumstances, which grow more bizarre almost daily, do not pass the smell test or the snicker test, and Obama is allowed to get away with it, especially by the media, which only selectively perform their political watchdog role these days. Unfortunately, because the implications are so ominous for our nation, this is not funny at all.

38 posted on 04/25/2011 5:53:17 PM PDT by snowsislander (The Nigerian 419 scammers must be envious of what this Kenyan fraud has accomplished.)
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To: RegulatorCountry

IBD are good folks.


39 posted on 04/25/2011 6:01:49 PM PDT by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: CedarDave

Do we know if the Nordyke family recently requested that birth certificate, or is it the copy they’ve had since 1961? The reason I’m curious is because, in my Sunday newspaper last weekend, there was an article stating that no one, not even Obama, could obtain a copy of his long-form birth certificate now because Hawaii’s policy is not to release them. But if the Nordykes were able to obtain that copy recently, then that’s obviously a lie.

Of course, if Obama already has a long-form birth certificate in his possession, he needs to show it or explain the reason why not. There’s also the matter of all the money he’s spent to avoid showing it, and all the other questions and problems. So he’s still not off the hook, but I’m just curious.


40 posted on 04/25/2011 6:09:30 PM PDT by Nea Wood (Silly liberal . . . paychecks are for workers!)
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