Posted on 04/25/2011 3:25:23 PM PDT by MamaDearest
Olga sez, "The U.S. Dept of State is proposing a new Biographical Questionnaire for passport applicants: proposed new Form DS-5513 asks for all addresses since birth; lifetime employment history, personal details of siblings; mother's addresses prior to your birth; any "religious ceremony" around time of birth, circumstances of birth including names (as well as addresses/phone numbers) of persons present, & more. Failure to answer can mean denial of passport, & govt reserves right to use this info for 'routine uses.'"
Update: Commenters note that this form is specifically intended in lieu of a birth certificate with a passport application; but as the FA suggests, the circumstances in which people unable to provide a birth certificate will be given this form (rather than the traditional bureaucratic investigation) are not spelled out; further, the form itself remains a Kafkaesque impossibility for most people to complete.
It seems likely that only some, not all, applicants will be required to fill out the new questionnaire, but no criteria have been made public for determining who will be subjected to these additional new written interrogatories. So if the passport examiner wants to deny your application, all they will have to do is give you the impossible new form to complete.
It's not clear from the supporting statement, statement of legal authorities, or regulatory assessment submitted by the State Department to the Office of Management and Budget (OMB) why declining to discuss one's siblings or to provide the phone number of your first supervisor when you were a teenager working at McDonalds would be a legitimate basis for denial of a passport to a U.S. citizen.
Diitto that here, but most people don't have that kind of information handy without a major research job through their personal documents. I saved my old payroll stubs, but about half of the places I've worked through the years no longer exist, and a good many of the people with whom I worked are no longer alive (tracking back over 40 years).
Another mind boggling question on the form asks who was present at my birth. In those days fathers were not permitted in the room for the actual birth and other than the doctor's name on the birth certificate, how would anyone know?
That should be up on billboards all over the country.
Add their Death Panels (Holocaust II) and it all ties in.
This is outrageous !
In other words, if you have a delayed birth certificate filed more than one year after you were born, or you were born at home with a midwife instead of in a hospital, you would probably need to fill out DS-5513.
I’ve sent this to everyone in my address list. The American people better wake up or they will be living in a WWII-style prison camp, IMO.
The thing is, I just hope that I can renew my passport, without having to fill that vile thing out, I couldn't supply a lot of the required info.
Your memory is much better than mine, then. I lost track after about move #10 or so...
Been in Burbank lately? I’ve had less scrutiny flying out of Minsk.
My first supervisor is deceased. I'm thinking his number is unlisted.
I find the “Paperwork Reduction Act” disclosure at the end of the form to be especially ironic.
I don’t have any plans to apply for another passport, but I don’t see how I could complete this questionnaire. For example, my mother was born 113 years ago. The college that she attended briefly can’t even find any record that she was there, let alone where she lived. I never owned a home until I was 33 years old. There were times I lived for a week or less at an address, no way I could remember it. I didn’t have any trouble, either in military service or years of civilian employment, in getting high level security clearances either. Who dreams up this stuff anyway?
Check this out. Good grief.
I moved about 13 times within a 3 year period in the 90’s...there’s NO way I can remember every address since birth.
HOMELAND OF TYRANNY at your service...f em. When the occupant of the Oval Office answers ALL of these questions HONESTLY, only then will I. Thank fully, I don’t need a passport any time soon.
And the beat goes on............
Locating contacts (work or personal) from decades ago has proven to be near impossible in many cases. Many people have ID theft rationale for removing all traces of them off the internet and everywhere else possible. Some of the people I've known are deceased, and untrackable as well. We've lived in apartments and condos while homes were being built (and have no clue whatsoever those addresses were, as they were temporary lodging). I've also taken a couple of jobs and walked out of them on the first day (not all employers disclose THEIR negatives, but choose to let workers find out for themselves how bad the workplace or the co-workers are/is).
No, but thanks for the heads' up. I will avoid it. Not that I go anywhere in SoCal very often.
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If I’m not mistaken, the public comment period on this just closed.
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