Chrissy Lee Polis, transgender woman attacked at Baltimore McDonald's, calls assault a 'hate crime'

The New York Daily News ^ | Sunday, April 24th 2011, 11:54 AM | Michael Sheridan

[MsLady]

Well, if I knew she was a man going into the women’s room, I sure as heck wouldn’t have beat the snot out of her. Personally, I would have probably told the manager and waited until she was done.

[MsLady]

By the way, one of the girls that was arrested in this beating. Had done the same thing, at the same McD’s about a year earlier.

[KimberInKhaki]

If I went into a public bathroom and saw a person of the wrong sex in it, I would immediately walk out and just go away.

If it was a man in a woman’s bathroom, I might - just might - alert a manager.

But, since I am a hermit and rarely go anywhere, it’s all very theoretical.

I certainly would never call 911. Nor would I beat anyone up. But I would feel so extremely uncomfortable I would instantly leave.

And if it was not a regular man or woman but a sick pervert, I would not only leave, but I would leave very, very quickly.

There is nothing wrong with being a hermit, if that is how you prefer to live.

I really liked your poem - a cute improv version on the theme of Dr Suess's "Sam I Am".

I do not want it in the park,

I do not like it in the dark.

I do not want it in the men’s,

I do not want it in the den.

I do not like it, Sam I am,

I do not like a woman/man.

I clicked on the reply figuring you had to be a Mom with small children and I replied assuming that. Afterwards I noticed your screen name and wasn't sure I had made the right assumption. Glad that my first assumption was correct.

Thank you for your answer.

[KimberInKhaki]

It is hard for me to say whether I would notice that that is a disturbed man and not a ropy sort of young female.

I notice more aberration from gait and mannerisms than from a photograph.

However, your question might be more to the point if you asked,

what would my reaction be if I saw this man follow my young daughter into the ladies’ room?

Men don’t belong in the women’s restroom. I don’t care if they have surgically removed their penis, or plan on doing it sometime, or are taking hormones, or just planning to, or dress in heels, or plan to start dressing in heels. I really don’t care.

If they are male they do not belong in there. Assaulting yourself with surgery or hormones and crossdressing does not change your gender.

If they are male they do not belong in there. Assaulting yourself with surgery or hormones and crossdressing does not change your gender.

Men don’t belong in the women’s restroom. I don’t care if they have surgically removed their penis, or plan on doing it sometime, or are taking hormones, or just planning to, or dress in heels, or plan to start dressing in heels. I really don’t care.

If they are male they do not belong in there. Assaulting yourself with surgery or hormones and crossdressing does not change your gender.

Thank you for your answer.

[KimberInKhaki]

It all depends on the environment and how many people are in the place...

If I am alone and it is a questionable, possible security risk I go into the toilet stall, latch the door and urinate... then wash hands and exit...

If I saw that thing, it wouldn’t bother me... so long as I am not approached or accosted in any way...

The hypothetical of me being a woman is illogical, but if I were a woman, given the personalities of females in my immediate family, I would grab that thing by the hair and drag it out of the bathroom...

That is obviously a male, it isn’t difficult to tell in 99% of cases... I’ve seen it all living in San Francisco... I’m sick of these lunatics being put on some kind of pedestal and revered for their stupidity.

MY QUESTION FOR YOU, is why is this such an issue in your classes?

My conjecture is that the left wing nutjobs at school have their marching orders to make it one... in the attempt to further the social psychosis that afflicts the society at large...

This overall obsession with phantasy and inane, irrelevant, insipid people who serve no useful purposes is not such a mystery to me... they are filth who, because of their own misanthropic delusions, will end up dying in cold dark places later in life... I have little sympathy for them... karma is a bitch...

Diversity vs. perversity... a huge dilemma for the left...

Examine the reactions in Uganda and Jamaica to this kind of nonsense... it is violent and immediate... that is because, unlike most “civilized” Western societies, they want to evolve and evolution is entirely heterosexual in nature for all mammals... DESPITE HOW THE RACIST LEFT WING WHITES WILL CONDESCENDINGLY CALL PEOPLE IN UGANDA AND JAMAICA SAVAGES...

If it is considered “civilized” to disfigure your body and insert foreign objects or other people’s bodily appendages into your digestive tract, I’ll remain a savage thank you...

I also think that the medical “professionals” who are involved with this type of mutilation should lose their licenses to practice medicine... it is malpractice of the highest order...

Thank you for your detailed reply giving your thoughts on the matter.

To answer your question to me...

Whwere I attend school, LGBTQ people have a group of people on campus who support them and address their concerns http://www.oakland.edu/safe/ and a center that caters to their unique issues and interests http://www.oakland.edu/gsc/.

School policy prohibits any harassment, intimidation, threats and assault against such people.

I am pretty sure the policy here is they can use whatever bathroom is "appropiate for their gender presentation."

Also, this transgender bathroom issue does happen in society from time to time, and when it does the police are tasked to deal with it according to what the law is. http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=52667

Personally, I feel that the law has to be followed, and that all people deserve respect.

I feel sorry for "Chrissy" in the photo. I agree that people who are like this will have a very difficult (and possibly prematurely shortened) life ahead of them.

I do not believe that I would feel threatened by this person. But my rape awareness / prevention and self defense training still dictate that my guard would be up and I would take a defense posture around I think may become a possible threat to me or others.

I should also add that that I would act to intervene (if possible) or at least act as a witness and immediately report any threats or assault againt such an individual.

That said, any bad behavior by any such individual should be immediately delt with. For instance a man in the ladies room needs to sit down on the seat and not stand to tinkle. If he went in the stall and stood up and urinated into the toliet instead of sitting down I myself would consider that disordly conduct in the womens room. Not a good charge to have to explain to a judge.

It (people's rights and respect) has to go both ways.

[KimberInKhaki]

Well, if I knew she was a man going into the women’s room, I sure as heck wouldn’t have beat the snot out of her. Personally, I would have probably told the manager and waited until she was done.

Thank you for your answer.

[little jeremiah]

Thanks - the “den” rhyme was poor, I will admit..

I used to be a Mom with small children. So you were pretty close!

[Theo]

One is either male or female.

If I call myself a woman, does that make me one?

It’s bizarre that newspapers call this confused young man a “woman.”

[Sir Francis Dashwood]

I hope they kill each other...

The teaching that matrimony is a sacrament gives to a religious clergy the power to judge the lawfulness of marriages and power of ecclesiastical censure for divorce...

The government of men's external actions by religion, pretending the change of nature in their consecrations cannot be esteemed a work extraordinary, it is no other than a conjuration or incantation, whereby they would have men to believe an alteration of nature that is contrary to the testimony of sight and of all the rest of the senses...

The idea "thou shalt marry and be given in marriage" is corrupt and degenerate, which is an impossible immortality of a kind, but not of the persons of men.

Ecclesiastics would have men believe they are not worthy to be counted amongst them that shall obtain the next world, or absolute resurrection from the dead, as inmates of the world; and to the end only to receive condign punishment for their contumacy of monogamy as opposed to the freedom of the polygamy found in nature.

Nature is pure war with every man against another. Fear of death is the only way to keep the peace, so man is civilized by the threat of violence against him for transgressions upon his neighbor.

Nature does not care. Nature does not need human permission. Nature is the only eternal victor. Nature kills everything...

Morality and all of those associated ideals are rooted entirely in the presupposition some higher power defines what is correct for human behavior.

Plato's Euthyphro is a great illustration. Socrates advances the argument to Euthyphro that, piety to the gods, who all want conflicting devotions and/or actions from humans, is impossible. (Socrates exposed the pagan esoteric sophistry.)

Likewise, morals are such a construction of idols used by the Left as a rationale for them to demand compliance to their wishes in politics, which most often are a skewed mess of fallacies in logic. "Morals" are a deceptive replacement for the "avoidance of sin."

But, since we are all properly obeying the *MODERN INTERPRETATION* of the First Amendment in the USA, good & evil isn't the question...

Good, bad, right, wrong, etc., etc., ad nausea; are all inherently religious ideals.

The modern interpretation of the First Amendment (according to the liberal-tarians) says government must exorcise all traces of religion and theism from itself. Therefore, government must never consider issues of morality and right and wrong...

So, it becomes a question of benefits versus costs. Fetus killing has its benefits to society, especially if you like to sleep late on Saturdays. But it also has its costs as well. Society (by which I mean, whoever manages to seize power) needs to evaluate these costs and decide accordingly.

The mythical rights of men and women are also meaningless. The very concept of rights is also founded in religion.

Since the enlightened person is freed from any superstitions about some "God" they are free from having to worry about "rights." (EXCUSE MY SARCASM)

Only raw power counts and humans are just meat puppets for the powerful...

[Sir Francis Dashwood]

Evolution in action right before your eyes...

Two lionesses attack a hyena to assure the survival of their cubs who will pass on their DNA in future prides.

Your ridiculous notion of your rules and ecclesiastical laws are...

" ...a pretending the change of nature in their consecrations cannot be esteemed a work extraordinary, it is no other than a conjuration or incantation, whereby they would have men to believe an alteration of nature that is contrary to the testimony of sight and of all the rest of the senses..."

NATURE ALWAYS WINS...

You falsely believe that your silly laws can transcend nature...

[KimberInKhaki]

I think you were referring to something like this video: Lioness attacks Cheetah - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6PVv0jW2QV0

We are not merely animals. We are more than that.

Human individuals are created in the image of God and have rights endowed by their creator.

We live in a society that provides for social order and protects people's rights. These rules of behavior are enforced by law. Without these rules society descends into anarchy (like the situation which apparently exists in the urban areas where these kinds of attacks occur).

The same people who attacked this transgender person would likely just as soon attack you for your (assuming you are a white male) "white male privilege". Maybe you can fight pretty good. Well, they can get more people and grab baseball bats and so on, until they are able to finally beat you down. When later caught, they will say that you muttered the "N" word to set them off.

That by using this excuse they simply confirm by their own admittance that they are nothing but animals with no ability to think before acting and no self control seems lost on them...

But we are not like them. We are not human animals that deserve to be locked behind barbed wire and thick concrete walls and kept in cages for the safety of civil society. Don't be like them.

One day I hope to be in law enforcement, and then I will be an active part of protecting people and society. And I will protect ALL of those whom I am sworn to protect.

[Sir Francis Dashwood]

You accept the lunacy that somehow someone can re-make themselves in the image of their own delusional fantasy.

The trouble with that is that you also accept the phantasm of the lie... and it will result in the dissolution of any lawful order as is evident in this case.

Your prison planet mentality is absurd...

You might believe in a “god,” but which god that is, I would venture to say is one that failed...

You are just a tool of fascism and a police state...

[Samurai_Jack]

what would your reaction be?.

Well, My Whole POINT is that there is No Excuse whatsoever for this kind of behavior to be tolerated from any corner of society. If you found a transvestite walking into the ladies room you might want to confront the individual and ask politely if there is fear of some kind of privacy invasion. Maybe talk to the manager and see if there’s anything he can do. Or walk out of the place and never return if it offends you so much to participate in this individuals delusion.

But this kind of beatdown is inexcusable on any level. It was just mean on the face of it. And i personally will not tolerate any kind of excuses from conservatives surrendering to bigotry. I expect bigotry from a liberal democrat, but not from a conservative or libertarian. If this guy is a he and thinks he’s a she or whatever the case. He wasnt hurting anyone. So it’s not for us to say whether or not he’s confused or delusional. Maybe he’s sick or maybe he’s just having some fun. But we need to be like Jesus did with the adulteress... “Neither do i condemn you!” We do not want to be like the pharasees and the accusers who stood like liberals around her, rocks in their hands ready to be the first to condemn. And if we cannot embrace like this the least of humanity within our conservative movement, then perhaps this may not be the movement that i thought it was.

Whatever you do to the least of my brothers that you do unto me. Live and let live folks. Remember the stone you throw at someone in condemnation might the millstone around your own neck.

Y’all need to think about that for awhile i bet...

[POWERSBOOTHEFAN]

Forced Happy Meal purchases....LOL!

[POWERSBOOTHEFAN]

I agree completely

[Tribune7]

That's not a "transgendered woman". That's a man. And he was in the ladies room. And he should have had his butt kicked.

[POWERSBOOTHEFAN]

The only time I’d use the Men’s room is if I had to go really bad and was about to have an accident.(To urinate,that is).I would let the men know that I’d be coming in to use the toilet so they would not be caught totally off-guard.

[Tribune7]

And how long was he in the hospital?