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For Silver, This Time It’s Different. Price Skyrockets 392% from $8.88 in October 2008
Gold and Silver ^ | 04/20/2011

Posted on 04/20/2011 6:38:03 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

To many investors with a sense of history, the four most dangerous words are "this time it's different". The phrase is usually evoked in an attempt to justify why a huge price gain in a particular asset class can continue to defy common sense and historical valuation norms. A surfeit of explanations on why "this time is different" is usually enough to send seasoned investors to the exits.

Silver, having defied the low expectations of many investors, has now seen a monster rally of 392% from $8.88 in October 2008 to the recent market price of $43.67. The pace of the advance has gone almost vertical with silver gaining 60% from the lows of late January.

Long term silver investors no doubt remember the aftermath of the last rapid run up in silver prices to $48.70 in January 1980. Silver prices collapsed shortly thereafter and ultimately slid to the $5 range where it remained throughout the 1990's. Silver dropped off the radar for most investors and remained dead money for 25 years before decisively breaking out of a very long base in early 2006.

Will history repeat with another meltdown in silver prices at some near point in the future, or is the rise in silver prices indicative of a major trend change in our economic future? I have never believed that the mechanical application of past price trends was a useful tool for predicting the future. Each point is history is unique with new players and new sets of circumstances. Understanding today's fundamentals are far more important than ascribing importance to past events that are largely irrelevant.

To understand why silver prices are in the initial stages of a long term super cycle advance rather than a replay of the 1980's, it is necessary to review the differences of the late 1970's compared to our current situation. Gold and silver both advanced in the 1970's as a booming, demand driven economy fueled inflation. The huge cost of financing the Vietnam War, low employment and surging wages all contributed to a steadily rising rate of inflation which peaked at 13.5% in 1981. Federal Reserve Chairman Paul Volcker finally stopped inflation dead in its tracks through a series of massive interest rate increases which brought the prime rate to a high of 21.5% in mid 1981. High interest rates caused a severe recession but by 1983, the rate of inflation had collapsed to 3.2%.

Both gold and silver moved dramatically higher during the inflation surge of the late 1970's and early 1980's but the meteoric rise in silver prices was driven by specific events. Wealthy brothers Nelson and William Hunt acquired a massive position in silver in an attempt to corner the market. Prices skyrocketed on the news and silver went from $11 per ounce in late 1979 to $48.70 in early 1980. Regulators did not take kindly to market manipulation and margin requirements on commodities were dramatically raised. The Hunt brothers' ill conceived attempt to drive silver prices higher collapsed along with their net worth. Silver prices plunged to less than $11 per ounce within two months. The last great silver "bull market" lasted less than six months, driven not by fundamental demand but rather by heavily leveraged speculators.

Fast forward 30 years - the finances of governments worldwide have reached the tipping point under ballooning debt levels and massive deficits. Additional borrowing by insolvent nations to rollover debt simply delays the day of reckoning - more debt is not the solution for too much debt.

The message from the gold and silver markets is clear - governments have reached the limits on borrowing and the day of debt Armageddon is approaching. The accelerating exodus from paper assets to historical stores of value is only in its initial stages as desperate governments take desperate measures to stay afloat (see Smart Money Sees The Perfect Storm for Gold and Silver).

The great debt bubble of the United States and much of the rest of the world is reaching its end game as creditors realize that a stealth default of some type is inevitable via a combination of inflation, money printing, currency debasement and/or negative interest rates. Nor is it likely that S&P's lowered outlook on U.S. government debt to negative from stable will have any affect on reining in ballooning U.S. debt (see Why There Is No Upside Limit To Gold and Silver Prices).

From a long term perspective, perhaps this time is not different but simply a replay of the history of currencies backed only by the "full faith and credit" of governments. Voltaire had this to say regarding fiat money - "Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value - zero".


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: dolalr; inflation; silver
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1 posted on 04/20/2011 6:38:06 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Time to take the money and run.


2 posted on 04/20/2011 6:41:55 AM PDT by org.whodat
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To: org.whodat

Run to where?


3 posted on 04/20/2011 6:43:42 AM PDT by cowtowney
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To: cowtowney

Galts Gulch.


4 posted on 04/20/2011 6:48:45 AM PDT by screaminsunshine (Shut up and eat your Beans!)
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To: SeekAndFind

Wonder how long til people start refusing to take Obamabucks for pay?


5 posted on 04/20/2011 6:50:38 AM PDT by screaminsunshine (Shut up and eat your Beans!)
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To: cowtowney

That is the old expression for saying, take you profit and look for something else. One whole something is a lot more than one half of nothing.


6 posted on 04/20/2011 6:51:41 AM PDT by org.whodat
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To: cowtowney

“Run to where” is exactly the pertinent question. If I sell my silver, where do I go? Certainly not into the dollar or any of the other fiat currencies. If I go anywhere it’s into another hard asset, but right now silver looks as good as any.


7 posted on 04/20/2011 6:52:08 AM PDT by bereanway
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Silver’s at $44.68 and Gold just topped $1500. I’m sticking with metals - Gold, Silver, Brass, Lead and Blued steel.


8 posted on 04/20/2011 6:55:32 AM PDT by CholeraJoe (To conserve energy, the light at the end of the tunnel has been turned off permanently.)
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To: bereanway

Baked beans and egg noodles.

I put another 20#’s in storage yesterday.


9 posted on 04/20/2011 6:57:31 AM PDT by djf (Dems and liberals: Let's redefine "marriage". We already redefined "natural born citizen".)
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To: SeekAndFind

I’ll hang on to my Metals. I know they can’t make it up out of thin air and it has a use besides TP.


10 posted on 04/20/2011 7:00:33 AM PDT by King_Corey (www.kingcorey.com)
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RE: Run to where?

Some here in FR are advocating LEAD.


11 posted on 04/20/2011 7:02:34 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: CholeraJoe

Don’t forget dirt!


12 posted on 04/20/2011 7:05:07 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: SeekAndFind

You should have invested in the “precious metals” of lead and brass BEFORE you went to silver and gold.

Investment order, by my totally unexpert opinion:

ammo, food, silver, land, gold


13 posted on 04/20/2011 7:06:46 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: SeekAndFind

For the people who say brass, kead, and blued steel, I wonder how many of them realize they are talking full-scale Night of the Living Dead stuff.

ATM’s not working (even if you could find one, most stolen and stripped), store shelves EMPTY, roving bands breaking into houses, killing the occupants, stripping anything of value, then burning it to the ground...

I’m not being critical of people, I have a few guns and ammo myself, but always gets me when people are so cavalier about shooting somebody and leaving them dead in their front yard.


14 posted on 04/20/2011 7:08:57 AM PDT by djf (Dems and liberals: Let's redefine "marriage". We already redefined "natural born citizen".)
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To: MrB

Don’t forget bullets!


15 posted on 04/20/2011 7:12:31 AM PDT by ConservativeDude
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I’d rather have the whole cartridge instead of just the bullets... /smar-tass


16 posted on 04/20/2011 7:18:36 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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“so cavalier about shooting somebody and leaving them dead in their front yard”

well, you don’t expect us to bury ‘em until the hoard is gone, do ya?


17 posted on 04/20/2011 7:19:53 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: SeekAndFind

damn, the cost of Tri-X down at the Fotomat is gonna be a killer!


18 posted on 04/20/2011 7:28:56 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: org.whodat

No way, holding on to mine.


19 posted on 04/20/2011 7:29:56 AM PDT by traderrob6
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To: SeekAndFind

I just bought some more old silver coins. Not sure if I should keep buying them or hold off? I bought last year at $15-$17 a troy ounce. I knew I should have kept buying then :( dang it.


20 posted on 04/20/2011 7:33:08 AM PDT by MsLady (Be the kind of woman that when you get up in the morning, the devil says, "Oh crap, she's UP !!")
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