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Mexican homicides tripled while ATF operation sent guns south
Seattle Gun Rights Examiner ^ | 18 April, 2011 | Dave Workman

Posted on 04/20/2011 5:28:15 AM PDT by marktwain

In the two years since Barack Obama took office and the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives ramped up its Project Gunrunner and Operation Fast and Furious gun trafficking sting operations, drug war homicides in Mexico nearly tripled, according to an article published over the weekend by Global Research.

This revelation comes coincidentally to the publication of the transcript of an interview on Univision, made available today by independent blogger Mike Vanderboegh, one of two men responsible for uncovering the Project Gunrunner controversy.

Figures quoted by the Global Research article come from the Trans-Border Institute at the University of San Diego. They appear in a report titled Drug Violence in Mexico: Data and Analysis Through 2010, and show that the body count has risen sharply at the same time that the Obama State Department has allowed private arms sales to Mexico exceed those to Iraq, Afghanistan and Israel. My colleague, Kurt Hofmann takes a hard look at those arms sales here.

But Hofmann doesn’t really discuss the number of dead Mexicans piling up during the same period that the ATF Gunrunner and Fast-and-Furious operations were allegedly allowing hundreds, if not thousands, of guns get funneled into the illicit arms pipeline. This was happening after Attorney General Eric Holder and Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton, and then others, were pointing fingers of blame at gun shops in the southwest, gun shows and this country’s allegedly “lax” gun laws.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: atf; banglist; bootthebatfe; democrats; fastandfurious; gunwalker; mexicon; obama; obamatruthfile; projectgunrunner
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Correlation does not equal causation, but this does show callous disregard for the Mexican government and Mexican crime. More guns can equal less crime, but there needs to be a culture that values the rights of others.
1 posted on 04/20/2011 5:28:19 AM PDT by marktwain
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Psssst....hey Mexico.....if you start treating our ATF agents like the drug cartels treat your cops, both your country and ours will be ALOT more safe and free.

....just sayin'!

2 posted on 04/20/2011 5:31:49 AM PDT by DCBryan1 (FORGET the lawyers...first kill the "journalists". (Die Ritter der Kokosnuss))
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To: marktwain

This study will be cited as proof that gun control reduces homicide rates ... except that in this case 100% of the guns we’re talking about were put in criminal’s hands. So as usual the “if guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns” applies in spades.


3 posted on 04/20/2011 5:33:53 AM PDT by coloradan (The US has become a banana republic, except without the bananas - or the republic.)
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To: marktwain
Correlation does not equal causation,

Generally true, but in this case, the guns were funneled directly to criminals, not law abiding citizens.

4 posted on 04/20/2011 5:37:51 AM PDT by umgud
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To: marktwain
INDICT EM!
5 posted on 04/20/2011 5:39:23 AM PDT by TPOOH (I wish I could have been Jerry Reed.)
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To: marktwain

ping


6 posted on 04/20/2011 5:40:55 AM PDT by chainsaw ("The government cannot give to anyone anything that it does not first take from someone else.")
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To: coloradan
According to the estimates I've seen on gun smuggling into Mexico, what the ATF sent down there is a drop in the bucket compared to what's coming across their southern border.

Drawing any corealation between that operation and the homicide rate is specious, and plays right into the hands of the gun grabbers.

7 posted on 04/20/2011 5:41:20 AM PDT by tacticalogic
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This scandal is 100X worse than the “third rate burglary” that was Watergate.

And the libtard MSM hits the snooze button.

8 posted on 04/20/2011 5:44:59 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: marktwain
This scandal is 100X worse than the “third rate burglary” that was Watergate.

And the libtard MSM hits the snooze button.

9 posted on 04/20/2011 5:45:07 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: tacticalogic

I think you’re missing the point. Sure, the ATF knew that all along (the real source of most of the weapons.)

They WANTED more American-source weapons in Mexico WHILE the murders were going up (for any reason, from any source.)

They wanted to show their own bogus causation: “See, murder is up in Mexico, and look at all those American weapons.”

That was the real point of Gunrunner. It had NOTHING to do with “making cases against the cartels,” which was only a lame cover story from the start.


10 posted on 04/20/2011 5:47:40 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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In the America I love, we would prosecute those who approved and ran this operation.

They have done a lot of damage and caused a lot of pain and justice should be served. Unfortunately, that likely isn't a given outcome any more.

Justice isn't blind any longer. Justice is more social and into bling.

11 posted on 04/20/2011 5:54:40 AM PDT by GBA (Those who die with the most liberty...Win! Ever Vigilance: For the children.)
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To: tacticalogic

I agree, but I still think it will be cited in the dinosaur media for the reason I gave. Come to think of it, the fact the argument is specious only increases the chances that the argument will be cited by those entities, which I hold in utter contempt.


12 posted on 04/20/2011 5:56:58 AM PDT by coloradan (The US has become a banana republic, except without the bananas - or the republic.)
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Yes, Obamajad and his Homeland Security were delivering guns straight into the hands of criminals instead of in the hands of citizens to defend themselves and their country. THAT is the big problem.

But what is the BIGGER PROBLEM is that they committed an act of treason against the American people by standing up and telling the world that WE THE PEOPLE DID IT! When they and their agents were responsible for delivering those guns, and now THEY are responsible for those many deaths.

Not only should WE THE PEOPLE be knocking on their door and arresting those who are complicit in this lie, because of their clear treason and responsibility for those deaths, as well as the deaths of our BP agents killed with those guns...Mexico also should be knocking on Hillary Clinton’s, Obamajad’s, and Janet Napitolano’s doors, demanding their arrest! But they won’t, because they are afraid they’ll lose their foreign aid dollars. But there is no excuse for WE THE PEOPLE not to nail them!


13 posted on 04/20/2011 6:08:03 AM PDT by RowdyFFC
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Call me cynical but what if this was a plan by the liberal socialist gun-grabbers in the White House to actually increase the cartel's gun violence, and then point out it's with American guns.

...so obviously America needs tougher gun control.

14 posted on 04/20/2011 6:13:53 AM PDT by TexasCajun
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To: Travis McGee
Well, my point was that the implied basis of the article for finding fault with the ATF is that they sent those guns down there, contributing to the homicide rate, rather than their cynical abuse of authority to try to manufacture evidence to advance a political agenda.

I'm sure the ATF knew they weren't really contributing significantly to the gun supply in Mexico. The reporter may know that too, but I think it's unlikely they did enough research to know that before they wrote the article. While the article finds fault with the ATF, it's giving them exactly the kind of propaganda value they wanted out of the operation.

15 posted on 04/20/2011 6:19:16 AM PDT by tacticalogic
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To: marktwain

ATF. They never have a clue.


16 posted on 04/20/2011 6:27:42 AM PDT by hadaclueonce ("Endeavor to persevere.")
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To: marktwain

No circus side shows on C-Span from the senate either. Imagine if this was Reagan or Bush as Pres__ent.


17 posted on 04/20/2011 6:47:03 AM PDT by BerryDingle (I know how to deal with communists, I still wear their scars on my back from Hollywood-Ronald Reagan)
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To: marktwain

This story highlights one of the major problems with the Federal Government...TOO Many Governemnt Organizations.

Why do we even need the BATF? Don’t we already have a DEA? Do we not have an FBI? Do we need both a secret service & U S Marshalls?
What follows is alist of Federal Law enforcement agencies.

Maybe we could trim one or two or even consolidate two or three. All these agencies are out there tormenting the public to justify their existance. Time to get rid of most of them.

Department of Agriculture(USDA)
Office of Inspector General (USDAOIG)
United States Forest Service (USFS)
U.S. Forest Service Law Enforcement and Investigations (USFSLEI)
[edit] Department of Commerce (DOC)Bureau of Industry and Security (BIS)
Office of Export Enforcement (OEE)
National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST)
National Institute of Standards and Technology Police (NIST Police)
National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA)
National Marine Fisheries Service (NMFS)
National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration Fisheries Office for Law Enforcement (OLE)
Department of Commerce Office of Security|Office of Security (DOCOS)
Department of Commerce Office of Inspector General (DOCOIG)
[edit] Department of Defense (DOD)Office of Inspector General (DODOIG)
Defense Criminal Investigative Service (DCIS)
Pentagon Force Protection Agency (PFPA)
United States Pentagon Police (USPPD)
Defense Logistics Agency (DLA) Police
National Security Agency (NSA) Police
Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA) Police
National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency (NGA) Police
Special Inspector General for Afghanistan Reconstruction (SIGAR)
Special Inspector General for Iraq Reconstruction (SIGIR)
[edit] Department of the Air ForceAir Force Office of Special Investigations (AFOSI)
Air Force Security Forces Center (AFSFC)
Department of the Air Force Police
[edit] Department of the ArmyUnited States Army Criminal Investigation Command (CID)
United States Army Military Intelligence (Counterintelligence Special Agents)
United States Army Military Police Corps
Department of the Army Police
United States Army Corrections Command
[edit] Department of the NavyNaval Criminal Investigative Service (NCIS)
United States Marine Corps Criminal Investigation Division (MC CID)
Department of the Navy Police
Marine Corps Provost Marshal’s Office (USMC military police)
United States Marine Corps Police (USMC civilian Police)
Master-at-Arms (U.S. Navy military police)
[edit] Department of EducationOffice of the Inspector General (EDOIG)
[edit] Department of Energy (DOE)Office of Inspector General (DOEOIG)
Office of Health, Safety and Security (DOEHSS)
Office of Secure Transportation (OST)
[edit] Department of Health and Human ServicesUnited States Food and Drug and Administration (HHSFDA)
Office of Criminal Investigations (OCI)
National Institutes of Health (NIH)
National Institutes of Health Police (NIH Police)
Office of Inspector General (HHSOIG)
[edit] Department of Homeland Security (DHS)
CBP officers at a ceremony in 2007Federal Law Enforcement Training Center (FLETC)
United States Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS)
United States Coast Guard (USCG)
Coast Guard Investigative Service (CGIS)
United States Customs and Border Protection (CBP)
Office of Field Operations (OFO)
United States Border Patrol (USBP)
Office of CBP Air and Marine (OAM)
Federal Protective Service (FPS)
United States Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE)
Enforcement Removal Operations (ERO)
Homeland Security Investigations (HSI)
Office of Intelligence
Office of Professional Responsibility (OPR)
United States Secret Service (USSS)
Transportation Security Administration (TSA)
Office of Law Enforcement/Federal Air Marshal Service (FAMS)
Department of Homeland Security Office of Inspector General (DHSOIG)
[edit] Department of Housing and Urban DevelopmentOffice of Inspector General (HUD/OIG) [1]
Protective Service Division (HUDPSD)
[edit] Department of the Interior (USDI)Bureau of Indian Affairs (BIA)
Bureau of Indian Affairs Police (BIA Police)
Bureau of Land Management (BLM)
Bureau of Land Management Office of Law Enforcement (BLM Rangers and Special Agents)
Bureau of Reclamation (BOR)
Bureau of Reclamation Office of Law Enforcement (BOR Rangers)
Hoover Dam Police aka Bureau of Reclamation Police
National Park Service (NPS)
Division of Law Enforcement, Security and Emergency Services (Law Enforcement Rangers)
United States Park Police
Office of Inspector General (DOIOIG)
Office of Surface Mining Reclamation and Enforcement (OSMRE)
United States Fish and Wildlife Service (USFWS)
Office of Law Enforcement
Division of Refuge Law Enforcement
[edit] Department of Justice (USDOJ)Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives (ATF)
United States Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) (since 1973)
Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI)
Federal Bureau of Investigation Police (FBI Police)
Federal Bureau of Prisons (BOP)
Office of Inspector General (DOJOIG)
United States Marshals Service (USMS)
[edit] Department of LaborOffice of Inspector General (DOLOIG)
[edit] Department of State (DOS)Diplomatic Security Service (DSS)
Office of Inspector General (SDOIG)
[edit] Department of TransportationFederal Aviation Administration (FAA)
Office of Inspector General (DOTOIG)
United States Merchant Marine Academy Department of Public Safety (USMMADPS)
[edit] Department of the Treasury
A Bureau of Engraving and Printing Police (BEP) patrol car.Alcohol and Tobacco Tax and Trade Bureau
Bureau of Engraving and Printing (BEP)
Bureau of Engraving and Printing Police (BEP Police)
Financial Crimes Enforcement Network (FINCEN)
Internal Revenue Service Criminal Investigation Division (IRS-CI)
Office of Inspector General (TREASOIG)
Treasury Inspector General for Tax Administration (TIGTA)
United States Mint Police (USMP)
Special Inspector General for the Troubled Asset Relief Program (SIGTARP)
[edit] Department of Veterans AffairsOffice of Inspector General (VAOIG)
Veterans Affairs Police
[edit] United States Environmental Protection AgencyCriminal Investigation Division (EPACID)
Office of Inspector General (EPAOIG)
[edit] United States CongressLibrary of Congress, Office of Security and Emergency Preparedness (LOC)
Sergeant at Arms of the United States House of Representatives
Sergeant at Arms of the United States Senate
United States Capitol Police (USCP)
United States Government Printing Office Police
Office of Inspector General, United States Government Printing Office
[edit] Other Major Federal Law Enforcement AgenciesAdministrative Office of the U. S. Courts, Office of Probation and Pretrial Services (AOUSC)
United States Supreme Court Police
Amtrak Office of Inspector General
Amtrak Office of Security Strategy and Special Operations (OSSSO)
Amtrak Police
Central Intelligence Agency Security Protective Service (CIASPS)
Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation, Office of Inspector General (FDICOIG)
Federal Reserve Bank: Federal Reserve Police
General Services Administration, Office of Inspector General (GSAOIG)
National Aeronautics and Space Administration
Office of Inspector General (NASAOIG)
NASA Security Services
Nuclear Regulatory Commission, Office of Inspector General (NRCOIG)
Office of Personnel Management, Office of Inspector General (OPMOIG)
Railroad Retirement Board, Office of Inspector General (RRBOIG)
Small Business Administration, Office of Inspector General (SBAOIG)
Smithsonian Institution
Office of Protection Services (SI)
National Zoological Park Police (NZPP)
Office of the Inspector General (OIG)
Social Security Administration Office of Inspector General (SSAOIG)
Tennessee Valley Authority
Tennessee Valley Authority Office of Inspector General (TVAOIG)
Tennessee Valley Authority Police (TVAP)
United States Agency for International Development, Office of Inspector General (AIDOIG)
United States Postal Service (USPS)
USPS Office of Inspector General (USPSOIG)
United States Postal Inspection Service (USPIS)
U.S. Postal Police


18 posted on 04/20/2011 7:21:03 AM PDT by Jim from C-Town (The government is rarely benevolent, often malevolent and never benign!)
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To: tacticalogic

The ATF sales are a drop in the bucket, but they went almost all no doubt to the drug organizations. They were not just delivering to Mexico, they were arming the villains in mexico.


19 posted on 04/20/2011 8:27:49 PM PDT by FlyingEagle
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To: tacticalogic

The Obama administration has innocent blood on their hands.

Innocent Mexicans blood.

Innocent Iranian protesters blood.

Innocent blood of those killed by Somali pirates.

And on and on.


20 posted on 04/21/2011 5:04:25 PM PDT by scorchedearther
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