Posted on 04/14/2011 1:32:53 PM PDT by Rational Thought
“Stop with the damn birth certificate!” he said. “Stop!” According to him, it is a non-issue that only detracts from the real problem in America, which is progressives fundamentally transforming America.
“If you’re going to lose your country– we’re going to lose it on a birth certificate?” he asked. “You have a real opportunity to talk about American exceptionalism … instead you’re going to waste time on the birth certificate?”
“You’re out of your mind if you think that is a winning argument for the next election. You’re out of your mind. You have to go fight the battle on the principles of America!”
(Excerpt) Read more at theblaze.com ...
I think there is a legitimate concern that Presidential candidates meet constitutional requirements. However, I don't believe that this particular argument is going to be convincing to anyone who isn't resolved to vote against the guy already, and is more likely to alienate than attract undecideds.
It doesn't do any good to be "right" on this issue if the argument itself is going to damage the ultimate goal of tossing the socialist out on his keister.
Even though more and more people are suspicious about 0h0m0’s eligibility, and the more they are suspicious, the more his numbers go down.
It’s only a losing issue for the Dem side.
This talking point is really wearing thin, you should get some new ones.
“You’re such a fool. Verified quotes and sources and links are all over this thread.”
I’ve been posting most of them. No quotes, sources or cites have been shared to answer the question I asked. Your failure to support your claim is duly noted, and you havent answered the basic questions:
Did they ever backtrack on saying his records were on file with state of Hawaii and show him being born in Hawaii?
And where do you think Barry Hussein was born if not Honolulu?
Obama’s poll numbers have been falling since he was elected.
Fool.
There is precedent here, at the state level. See Moodie from North Dakota. Not to mention Gallatin and Shields.
You must be the previously zotted TNTNT, and what is your obsession about whether I believe that the usurper was born in Hawaii? It does not matter to me because if BHO Sr. is his listed father he is ineligible to hold the office of POTUS, not meeting the natural born citizen requirement.
My belief is that this fairy tale “son of a goat herder from Kenya and white girl from Kansas” is all a concoction and Barry’s life is a lie. So, let’s start with the originating document shall we?
1) Now it could be real, and still be invalid or even a forged document, but I have to ask: What evidence do you have for that? Any?”
Once again, the digital image that has been bantied about is missing several fields from a similar COLB from Hawaii of a person born around the similar time as to Obama. That means the document has been ALTERED - READ INVALIDATED.
This document has no legal basis, it is an advertisement.
Visit jbjd’s site (http://jbjd.org/2011/02/20/too-ignorant-to-lead/) to educate yourself further with some legal analysis:
Memo to Rep. Flake: ‘Fight the Smears’ is Paid Political Advertising
The “Fight the Smears” web page with the image of a birth document is a paid political advertisement and conforms with TITLE 2 > CHAPTER 14 > of the U.S. Code, § 441d. Publication and distribution of statements and solicitations. This section deals with campaign funding, reporting, and other parameters. Nothing in this law requires the advertising content to be true. And that only makes sense. Because as the Supreme Court has ruled, when it comes to the First Amendment right to freedom of speech, political advertising is legal even if the advertiser does not tell the truth. “…the general rule is that the speaker and the audience, not the government, assess the value of the information presented.” Edenfield v. Fane (91-1594), 507 U.S. 761 (1993).
The Obama campaign threw up an eye-catching wizardry of a political advertisement they named, “Fight the Smears,” on which they displayed graphics for visual impact, and ad copy with terms of art like ‘native born’ and ‘citizenship conferred by the 14th Amendment’ cleverly conflating these terms with the one they never mentioned, “natural born.” But this is the term emblazoned in Article II, section 1 of the Constitution. And, consistent with section 441d, they solicited the public to ‘donate now’ and tell others, all so as to spread their truth about the candidate. Even though it was all a lie.
In truth, the state of Hawaii has never claimed responsibility as the “issuing authority” – this term of art is defined right there in the Code – of that online image of a COLB on the advertising platform entitled FTS. They never confirmed this was a genuine “identification document,” consistent with the Code. Even the ad failed to claim, this ‘document’ came from the HI Department of Health, Vital Records. Or to include any identifying information that would allow anyone to trace back the mock-up to its hinted origins. And all of the venues reporting that, having seen the image, they could confirm its authenticity – L.A. Times, Daily Kos, Annenberg Political FactCheck, Politifact – also stated publicly, they had received this image directly from the Obama campaign.
In other words, when it comes to providing documentary evidence as to where Obama was born, the only thing available in the public record, that online image of the birth document, means absolutely nothing…
…except that many Americans, including not just the media but worse, our state and national public officials can be duped into believing an image is real which was only created as the focal point of an on-line political advertising campaign to combat rumors a Presidential candidate is Constitutionally ineligible for the job!
2) “Further, prove the announcements appeared in the newspaper. Got a copy of a newspaper with those announcements in it? No you don’t.”
Of course I dont. They are on microfiche, and sources have found them and shared them. that’s proof enough, without evidence of any other scenario such as black ops and conspiracies.
Where is your evidence of anything else?”
I presented you research. Don’t you read it?
http://myveryownpointofview.wordpress.com/2010/05/28/extra-extra-announcing-obamas-birth/
..................................................
3) “There is no long form birth certificate with Barack Hussein Obama II on it and that’s a fact.”
What is your evidence backing up this ‘fact’?”
The fact is that he is INCAPABLE OF PRESENTING a valid LFBC with Barack Hussein Obama II.
Tim Adams signed an affadavit under the threat of perjury. What have your officials from Hawaii done? Only issue non-binding statements.
http://thedailypen.blogspot.com/2011/01/third-hawaiian-official-denies.html
This is the reason why the State of Hawaii WOULD NOT CERTIFY Obama as constitutionally eligible to get on the ballot.
http://thedailypen.blogspot.com/2011/01/o-con-had-legal-help-from-non-partisan.html
...............................................
Finally, you never responded to my reply to you regarding Obama’s fraudulent use of a SSN? I guess his criminal activity is exonerated now that he is in office, right?
It appears that Mr. Hopey Changey is deep up to his neck in document fraud...that is what he is hiding.
In any case, I'm not opposed to individual citizens making the argument, because there's not much of a backlash possibility there. I just don't want the candidates themselves to do it. Outside hatchmen/hatchwomen doing it isn't as much of a problem.
Only precedents involving the President are relevant. The President gets special treatment, as specified in Article I.
Did you not suffer enough of your own ignorance in 10+ hours of going in circles yesterday?
Did you have enough time to sleep, eat and make it to the DNC offices to get today’s talking points?
OooooKKKKK....Round 2 coming up!
“He’s been a friend of Obama’s, knew his parents, and has been adamant he was born in Honolulu, so he’s in on the ‘conspiracy’ if there is one. And btw you haven’t given a source for whatever his statements were.”
Don’t be so lazy, intellectually and searchwise. You know perfectly well that Abercrombe said he couldn’t find the BC. It’s common (and correct) knowledge.
“There is nothing else that can be considered evidence of where someone was born beside the long form birth certificate?”
Nope. Not at this point. Remember, Passport office requires original LONG FORM. Good enough for them, good enough for me. You on the other hand seem to think forged documents constitute proof of anything other than fraud.
Not credible. I have not seen the long form birth certificate for any US President,”
Dozens are on file in Presidential libraries across the country. You should get out more.
” and we don’t even have them for most of them.
How do you know? You just said you never saw any?
“Yet we know where most of them were born.”
But unfortunately we don’t know where Obama was born because he won’t release his LFBC. Funny that....
You sure you got enough sleep? You seem a little slow on the uptake today.
Oh and BTW, Santa still hasn’t brought my pony.
“And where do you think Barry Hussein was born if not Honolulu?”
Are you STILL beating the poor dead horse? Once again, we don’t know and will not until he shows the LFBC.
And I still have no Pony.
“You know perfectly well that Abercrombe said he couldn’t find the BC. It’s common (and correct) knowledge.”
Hearsay like this never stand up in a court of law. Don’t be so lazy, if you have a quote and a cite, share it.
On the contrary, that is the ONLY way conservatives win.
_______________________________________________________
This article articulates why talking policy only will not win 2012, need to take off Obama's mask.
That Donald Trump Is Pretty Shrewd
..Trump has calculated that the whole Obama house is resting upon the public's acceptance of that emotional and utterly contrived Obama narrative. And Trump is determined to disabuse America of its sentimental attachment to an Obama presidency.Because, truly, unless that spell can be broken, Obama's house -- crumbling and varmint infested though it may be -- will stand.
Yes, that Donald Trump is one smart guy.
“All this on the BC when his natural born citizen status is the issue. “
Tell the others on the threads, who keep insisting that the long form BC is important. My point has been simple: Even without it, its a slam dunk that Obama was born in Honolulu.
Do you agree with them that release of the long form BC will resolve the eligibility issue?
Do you believe Obama was born in Honolulu?
“When you call me something I am not, it’s slander.”
No it is not. Read a law book. You are however extremely dishonest. Not that you have been informed that the above is incorrect, will you continue to spread this misinformation just as you keep spreading misinformation in your past postings?
That is dishonest and another word for someone who is dishonest is a liar. You lied all day yesterday, were called on it by a number of posters, continued lying, called me a coward, threw names at posters like a schoolyard bully, then screamed like a little liberal that it was YOU who were being attacked. That is what liars do.
“You dont know me, obviously. I have been a consistent critic of everything Obama and his cabal has done. I have spent tens of thousands of dollars, weighed in on campaigns, helped candidates, helped the Republican party, attended and spoke out at Tea Party rallies and beyond that - all to defeat Obama and his minions in the last 24 months. I can wager any amount it is far more than you have done.”
So you say. Have any proof? Since we have established how loose you are with the truth, I cannot in good conscience believe anything you say.
So when you call me names, you are full of cr*p.
What likethe “Coward” and “Dense...neener..neener” stuff you pulled last night? Names like that?
What you are doing is called “projection” and it is a classic liberal tactic, not something a self-proclaimed “Rock Solid Conservative would do.
R2 to WOSG:
You’ve repeatedly said that (per the COLB and the newspaper announcements) that Barack Obama, Jr. was born to Mr. and Mrs. Barack Obama, Sr.
Now you say he was born to “an 18-year old single white mother... “
____________________________________________
and, R2, the newspaper announcement doesnt mention an age or color/race of the Mom
and the fakey “COLB” doesnt mention an age for the Mom
Oh noez
Danger Will Robinson Danger Will Robinson
Someones trying to have his cake and eat it too...
“You need to calm down and quit throwing the liar card around where it is wrong. Almost as bad as Obama using the race card.”
He is correct. You are a liar and a poor one.You lied all day yesterday, were called on it by several posters, continued lying and now you are back lying and claiming victimhood like a good liberal. You are also continuing your projection behavior like a good liberal. Please continue for our entertainment. As I said yesterday, it’s your reputation you are killing.
Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.