‘Stop With the Damn Birth Certificate!’ Beck Delivers Strong Message to Birthers

The Blaze ^ | 04/14/2011 | Jonathon M. Seidl

[Rational Thought]

“Stop with the damn birth certificate!” he said. “Stop!” According to him, it is a non-issue that only detracts from the real problem in America, which is progressives fundamentally transforming America.

“If you’re going to lose your country– we’re going to lose it on a birth certificate?” he asked. “You have a real opportunity to talk about American exceptionalism … instead you’re going to waste time on the birth certificate?”

“You’re out of your mind if you think that is a winning argument for the next election. You’re out of your mind. You have to go fight the battle on the principles of America!”

[AlexW]

““What could be so embarrassing about it?”
3) maybe there is something embarrassing in it, but it wont be that he wasnt born in Honolulu.
4) It would hurt Obama to not have birthers around to play the racist card against.”
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Obviously there is something embarrassing, like the name of his father?

Ahh, the race card...
Is it really worth the fortune that you Obots are spending
in order to keep it hidden?

I am not saying that he was not born in Hawaii, as there is no way that I know that, anymore then I know that he was.
He refuses to prove it with a birth certificate.
Whatever there is that is embarrassing, is obviously a dis-qualifier for POTUS.

How does this scam benefit Obambie, other then keeping him in office, illegally?

[little jeremiah]

Queen Kapiolani was not the last Queen of Hawaii, Liliuokalani was.

“Queen Liliuokalani was the last reigning monarch of the Hawaiian islands. She felt her mission was to preserve the islands for their native residents. In 1898, Hawaii was annexed to the United States and Queen Liliuokalani was forced to give up her throne.”

You can never admit you’re wrong.

[Norm Lenhart]

You obviously missed the “fact/proof”. Here, let me save him the trouble:

“The COLB is valid, real...”“The COLB is valid, real...”“The COLB is valid, real...”“The COLB is valid, real...”“The COLB is valid, real...”“The COLB is valid, real...”“The COLB is valid, real...”“The COLB is valid, real...”“The COLB is valid, real...”“The COLB is valid, real...”“The COLB is valid, real...”

See? The COLB is real. ;)

[TigerClaws]

Has Obama presented this document for inspection by anyone? Aside from the photo from the FactCheck organization (where he served as head of the board) who has seen it?

There are forensic document experts that could examine it. Not that we don’t trust you guys..

Also notice the site spelled Barrack Sr. “Barack” — which is an error. Why is Barack a “II” instead of a “Jr.”?

Obama II could have a valid birth certificate BUT NOT BE BORN IN HAWAII. There’s a state law allowing citizens to obtain BCs for children born “without the state or territory.”

That’s why we need to see the long form it would cost Obama $10 to provide.

The burden is on Obama to prove he’s eligible and not on us to prove a negative.

[little jeremiah]

He needs to explain how two Factbook flunkies are “journalists”.

[little jeremiah]

OOps:

He needs to explain how two FactCHECK flunkies are “journalists”.

[DaveTesla]

Biography of Founder Queen Emma
http://www.queensmedicalcenter.net/about-us/founder-queen-emma

“Emma Kaleleonalani left the bulk of her estate, some
13,000 acres of land on the Big Island and in Waikiki on
Oahu, in trust for the hospital that honors her.”

[Cyropaedia]

Yep. I've personally submitted a certified copy of my own long form birth certificate for things such as a passport.

If there are any discrepancies between the short form COLB, and the original long form birth certificate, a court will defer to the information in the long form b.c., - because the long form certificate is considered the "source document" for the short form.

[Norm Lenhart]

Not in his world. In our world basic rules of debate put the burden of proof on the person making the assertion.

In his world “The COLB is valid, real...” and that’s all you need to know. So stop playing whack-a hominim with ad-mole attacks!“The COLB is valid, real...”“The COLB is valid, real...”“The COLB is valid, real...”“The COLB is valid, real...”

;)

[TigerClaws]

Birth certificates can be amended. What was the original name of Obama II and the listed father?

If Obama changed his name from Steve Dunham to the name he now uses, why?

[itsahoot]

The farce bill that Arizona passed shows the depth and power of this travesty. No human has that power, which is why no one is willing to take it on.

[Golden Eagle]

The COLB is not a forgery.

It may not be, but that doesn't prove that Obama was born in the US, as per Hawaii law COLB's were given to children born OUTSIDE the state of Hawaii, so long as one of the parents was a state citizen. Therefore his COLB is completely inconclusive as to whether he was actually born on US soil, whether it's legally acceptable for any other purpose.

But answer the question you continue to avoid on why you don't support states requiring actual PROOF that Presidential candidates were born on US soil? It clearly appears to be you don't mind illegitimate candidates to possibly being elected, but if it's something else you'll have to finally speak up for yourself.

[WOSG]

Me: “That’s not true. There is more than just a jpg on the internet. The physical COLB itself was shared with journalists, who examined it and photographed it.”

You: “Which journalists?”
Factcheck.org
“ What expertise do they have in document forensic analysis?”
I would guess they dont have any, being typical liberal journalists. It shows the COLB is a real physical entity, not an internet creation. It doesnt ‘prove’ beyon a doubt its legit.

As noted, though, it’s one thing to somehow pull off a COLB forgery, quite another to get two newspaper birth announcements in Aug 1961 and Hawaii officials to vouch for the birth records beign on file and him being born in Hawaii.

[itsahoot]

{me: “The COLB is valid, real...}

We have went from fake, but real to real but fake. Cool

[Norm Lenhart]

Again What names EXACTLY are on that announcement?

Barack? Barry? Steve? None?

Do you admit that anyone can post such an announcement? Y/N?

Do you admit that any person Could obtain a COLB from HI regardless of thier birthplace?

[Red Steel]

Umm African is reference to a continent not a race.

The African race was used by those who supported pan-African ideals. See:

Not really troll-bot.

Then you must be arguing that Obama was born in Africa! Because if Obama was born in the US of A in 1961, he would have been classified one of the races highlighted in yellow below. The 1961 regulations of Federal Vital Statistic of these United States:

I was truthful in sharing information and you call me a liar for pointing out that some Africans indeed considered African their ‘race’.

Oh sure you are. We all believe you. /total sarcasm.

[WOSG]

“He doesnt need to show it.”
“Actually he does, as direct transcriptions of Hawaii law have indicated birth certificates were legally granted to state citizens of Hawaii who bore children even if the child was actually born outside the state.”

If a child is born out of state, do they have their birth place listed as Honolulu? NO? Well, then the point is irrelevent, his birthplace is listed as Honolulu in the COLB.

“And back to the question you keep avoiding, why wouldn’t you require in all future elections that each state require (at a minimum)”

Whats the maximum? A DNA sample?

“long form birth certificate as proof that any potential candidate was truly born in the USA,”

Sounds ok to me, but since the ‘long form’ is not a legal term, each state has different forms, you will be stuck with requiring whatever birth certificate documentation is sufficient to prove place of birth and get passports, etc. Or you will have to state what specific information you require. Is it just place of birth. Well if so ... In the case of hawaii, wouldnt the COLB be sufficient? It says he was born in Honolulu.

Let me ask you: Do you doubt that Obama was born in Honolulu? If so - Where was Obama born, and what is your evidence for that belief?

[Responsibility2nd]

Noticing that this is the second time (that I know of) that you directly asked WOSG what his thoughts are on the states requiring long form proof.

Also noticing WOSG IGNORING the question. And I don’t blame him. If I were an Obama-bot as he is - I would NOT want to answer that question either.

[little jeremiah]

Practically everyone around where I live is armed, even the hippies.

The former mayor (a couple of years ago) in my tiny town that I live 6 miles out from, wanted pass an ordinance that mandated every business owner and manager to carry a firearm during business hours.

Unfortunately it didn’t pass by the town council, but if the residents had gotten to vote on it, it would have passed by a huge margin.

I wouldn’t live in a city if I was paid a million dollars a year.