Trump is Right and is Now Turning to the Real Issue – What is a ‘Natural Born Citizen?’

The International News Magazine ^ | April 11, 2011 | Zach Jones

[Ax]

In the EXTREMELY unlikely possibility that Hussein had ever attempted to enlist in the armed forces of the U.S., had ever participated in ROTC at whatever university he allegedly attended or applied for a federal job that required a security clearance, he would’ve been rejected at every turn. Yet today, this empty suit of questionable provenance has access to our nation’s most closely guarded secrets. Thanks a lot, all you morons that voted for this ghost.

[FormerACLUmember]

I don’t like the Donald.

That being said, he is making the democrat party media scream, rave, and turn purple with rage.

Hell, he keeps this up, he might get my vote!

[Tunehead54]

I’ve read of this view before and though a small consolation its good to know that my gut feeling from the very beginning telling me that he is a bastard was correct. ;-)

[TigersEye]

Simply labeling everyone asking questions ‘birthers’ is neither meaningful nor thoughtful.

Of course it is not. That is an obvious propaganda trick to discredit the questioner and distract from the question.

Why hasn't 0bama shown the nation a certified copy of his long form BC? Why?

[TigersEye]

He makes his motivations very clear here.

Trump on Obama, China, OPEC and more interviewed by Wolf Blitzer

[Windflier]

Someone just tried to use Ramsay on me, tried to say he wanted childrens’ Natural Born Citizenship to be of both NATURAL BORN parents.

Well, that person obviously didn't quite understand the basic concept. You'd have to ask that person how the child's parents came to be Natural Born. Were their parents Natural Born, too? And theirs?

At some point, you're going to run out of NBCs on the family tree. There has to be a starting point, and that point is simple US citizenship. Baby has two US citizen parents, and is born on US soil, he's NBC.

[TigersEye]

It seems to me that this wouldn’t be an issue if BO simply acted like an American let alone a natural born citizen.

You're probably right but it should. No transgression of the Constitution should ever go unchallenged.

[HollyB]

Acted? It is an issue even if he acted like one. There are reasons for this qualification...loyalties, influences, etc...

[Windflier]

Just to be upfront, I believe that Obama was not born in Hawaii but born in Mombassa, Kenya, in 1961

I think I've come to a point with Obama, where I no longer hold any beliefs whatsoever about his origins. All I've seen are impossible-to-verify theories as to who he is, and where he was born. At this point, all I can accept, is what has been independently documented about his past.

I don't know what his real name is.
I don't know who his real parents were.
I don't know where he was born.
I don't know where (or if) he really attended college.
I don't know if he's an American citizen or not.
I don't know if he's eligible to be our president.

The fact that he won't answer these BASIC questions about himself, leads me to the conclusion that the truth of his existence falls on the wrong side of every question I have about him.

[grey_whiskers]

And, yes, I know some contend McCain is not NBC

He's not?

I thought he was so liberal, he'd easily qualify for at least CNN or CBS...

Cheers!

[Gene Eric]

>> “belongs to none but those who have been born of citizens since the 4th of July, 1776….” Id. at 6”

Interesting post, Windflier.

[matthew fuller]

"That being said, he is making the democrat party media scream, rave, and turn purple with rage. "

I'll be willing to bet that he is making many, or most Republican Party Presidential aspiring candidates scream, rave, and turn purple with rage. (Except Sarah, who has come out in support of the claims.)

[thecodont]

Thanks for this post. It should be clear to readers what the intent of the Founders was: the Presidency was for only those who were citizens at our nation’s founding, and the children of these citizens thereafter.

[Munz]

>Notice how the Lame Stream Media, the RINO’s and The Trump are completely avoiding Zeewoe’s ineligibility because he is not a natural born citizen because BO Sr was never a US citizen?<

yup. because they don;t want to admit that they just jumped on the hype wagon that he was all American .. then they never did their job in finding out the facts. It wouldn’t have been a stretch for them to ask for records. It would have been normal .. but god forbid that they question the won on such a historic election ...

Now they can’t go back and say .. hey we really screwed up. promoted a guy who probably pulled the wool over our eyes and we sold it to the american people hook line and sinker

[noinfringers2]

I tend to agree with you because there are other dots to be connected as to a Kenyan history. Among the most notable dots to me is the aid for for Kenya( two ships one of which was temporarily highjacked) about the time that Kenya shut down all info and celebrations as to Obama being born there. Also it should be noted that at about that time Rahm Emmanual went on a ‘vacation’ to Africa with a visit to Kenya,probably paid for by the USA by some form or fashion. Trump should be given this info if he doesn’t already have it.

[noinfringers2]

I tend to agree with you because there are other dots to be connected as to a Kenyan history. Among the most notable dots to me is the aid for for Kenya( two ships one of which was temporarily highjacked) about the time that Kenya shut down all info and celebrations as to Obama being born there. Also it should be noted that at about that time Rahm Emmanual went on a ‘vacation’ to Africa with a visit to Kenya,probably paid for by the USA by some form or fashion. Trump should be given this info if he doesn’t already have it.

[Windflier]

Interesting post

Thanks. Another Freeper posted it some days back, and I immediately saved it to my computer for future reference.

For those willing to read it, it makes the case that the Framers were very specific in the language they put into the US Constitution, and that they had a very good reason for using the odd phrase, "Natural Born Citizen", which they used nowhere else, except Article II, Section I, Clause 5.

[Windflier]

It should be clear to readers what the intent of the Founders was: the Presidency was for only those who were citizens at our nation’s founding, and the children of these citizens thereafter.

Precisely. We just need to keep making the point, and educating everyone we have to, about this, until it finally sinks in.

The Framers inserted citizenship requirements into the Constitution for other federal offices, but the presidency is the ONLY office which requires one to be a Natural Born Citizen. This, too, is an important point to make when discussing the NBC issue.

[Gene Eric]

Yeah, that’s all good. I appreciate the writer’s comments, especially,

“Ramsay writes with the knowledge and insights one acquires only by being personally involved in the events of the Founding period.”

Our struggles today help to better understand the context of the Founding period. It’s only a glimpse, but something I feel a bit more connected than I had during years of our Nation’s prosperity.