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Muslims in France Ask to Use Empty Churches (SEEMINGLY INNOCUOUS REQUEST)
Hudson-NY ^ | March 31, 2011 | Soeren Kern

Posted on 04/04/2011 9:01:21 AM PDT by Ooh-Ah

Muslim groups in France have asked the Roman Catholic Church for permission to use its empty churches as a way to solve the traffic problems caused by thousands of Muslims who pray in the streets. The request, which has been variously described by French political commentators as "alarming," "audacious" and "unprecedented," is yet another example of the growing assertiveness of France's six million Muslims, who are transforming the country in ways unimaginable only a few years ago.

In a March 11 communiqué addressed to the Church of France, the National Federation of the Great Mosque of Paris, the Council of Democratic Muslims of France and a Muslim activist group called Collectif Banlieues Respect called on the Roman Catholic Church – in a spirit of inter-religious solidarity, of course – to make its empty churches available to Muslims for Friday prayers, so that Muslims do not have to "pray in the streets" and be "held hostage to politics."

Every Friday, thousands of Muslims in Paris and other French cities close off streets and sidewalks (and by extension, close down local businesses and trap non-Muslim residents in their homes and offices) to accommodate overflowing crowds for midday prayers. Some mosques have also begun broadcasting sermons and chants of "Allah Akbar" via loudspeakers in the streets.

The weekly spectacles, which have been documented by dozens of videos posted on Youtube.com (here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here and here), have provoked anger and disbelief. But despite many public complaints, local authorities have declined to intervene because they are afraid of sparking riots.

The issue of illegal street prayers was catapulted to the top of the French national political agenda in December 2010, when Marine Le Pen, the charismatic new leader of the far-right National Front party, denounced them as an "occupation without tanks or soldiers."

During a gathering in the east central French city of Lyon on December 10, Le Pen compared Muslims praying in the streets to Nazi occupation. She said: "For those who want to talk a lot about World War II, if it is about occupation, then we could also talk about it [Muslim prayers in the streets], because that is occupation of territory. It is an occupation of sections of the territory, of districts in which religious laws apply. It is an occupation. There are of course no tanks, there are no soldiers but it is nevertheless an occupation and it weighs heavily on local residents."

Many French voters agree. In fact, the issue of Muslim street prayers – and the broader question of the role of Islam in French society – has become a major issue ahead of the 2012 presidential elections. According to a recent survey by Ifop for the France-Soir newspaper, nearly 40% of French voters agree with Len Pen's views that Muslim prayer in the streets resembles an occupation. Moreover, a new opinion poll published by Le Parisien newspaper on March 8 shows that voters view Le Pen, who has criss-crossed the country arguing that France has been invaded by Muslims and betrayed by its elite, as the candidate best suited to deal with the growing problem of runaway Muslim immigration.

French President Nicolas Sarkozy, whose popularity is at record lows just thirteen months before the first round of next year's presidential election, has been spooked by Le Pen's advance in the opinion polls. As a result, he now seems determined not to allow Le Pen to monopolize the issue of Islam in France. Sarkozy recently called Muslim prayers in the street "unacceptable" and said that the street cannot be allowed to become "an extension of the mosque." He also warned that the overflow of Muslim faithful on to the streets at prayer time when mosques are packed to capacity risks undermining the French secular tradition separating state and religion.

Sarkozy also denounced multiculturalism as a failure and said Muslims must assimilate into the French culture if they want to be welcomed in France. Joining other European leaders, such as German Chancellor Angela Merkel and British Prime Minister David Cameron, who recently have spoken out against multiculturalism, Sarkozy declared in a live-broadcast interview with French Channel One television: "I do not want a society where communities coexist side by side … France will not welcome people who do not agree to melt into a single community. We have been too busy with the identity of those who arrived and not enough with the identity of the country that accepted them."

At the same time, Sarkozy's center-right Union for a Popular Movement (UMP) party plans to hold a "national identity debate" on Islam and secularism on April 5. The purpose of the debate is to clarify the rights and responsibilities of Islam in a secular French Republic.

Some French voters, who say Sarkozy's efforts are too little too late, have taken matters into their own hands. For example, a group calling for "resistance to the Islamization of France" recently used Facebook to advertise an anti-Muslim "giant cocktail party" at the Arc de Triomphe in Paris. "Identity Block," as the group is known, received some 7,000 RSVPs to attend the so-called "pork sausage and booze" party on the Champs-Elysées. Islam forbids the consumption of pork and alcoholic beverages.

In no mood for compromise, France's most prominent Muslim leader has called for the number of mosques in the country to be doubled to 4,000. In a June 2010 interview with France-Soir, Dalil Boubakeur, rector of the Grande Mosque of Paris and formerly president of the French Council for Muslims, said a major mosque-building program – courtesy of French taxpayers – would ease the "pressure, frustration and the sense of injustice" felt by many French Muslims. "Open a mosque and you close a prison," Boubakeur said. About 70% of all inmates in the French prison system are Muslim.

Meanwhile, the French Constitutional Court on March 10 struck down key aspects of a new law designed to crack down on Muslim-related urban violence. The court ruled that thirteen articles from security legislation passed by the Sarkozy government in February violated the French constitution. One of the articles removed by the court called for recent immigrants who attack police officers to be stripped of French citizenship.

Over the past several years, France has been the scene of many Muslim uprisings, usually accompanied by riots and car burnings. Large swaths of Muslim areas are now considered "no-go" zones by French police. At last count, there are 751 Sensitive Urban Zones (Zones Urbaines Sensibles, ZUS), as they are euphemistically called. A complete list of the ZUS can be found on a French government website, complete with satellite maps and precise street demarcations. An estimated 5 million Muslims live in the ZUS, parts of France over which the French state has lost control.


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To: gaijin

One of the least documented Muzzie invasions was by Iranian workers of Japan during the late 80’s to mid 90’s —the yen was high, and many thousands of them came for manual labor.

At first it was ok, but later huge problems began.

Finally there was outrage, and they were made to leave —now there are no large groups of them.

Know how they did it? The cops asked the Yakuza to ask them to leave.

AND THEY DID.


21 posted on 04/04/2011 9:30:49 AM PDT by gaijin
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To: WayneS

My prediction is they will just “squat” in the churches like they do in the streets. Then when the French decide to do something about it, it will be too late, and the elites, and politicians will be too spineless to stop them.
Muslims will declare descrimination, they will riot, and the back of the French will bend as usual.


22 posted on 04/04/2011 9:31:38 AM PDT by No_More_Harkin
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To: gaijin
the Council of Democratic Muslims of France and a Muslim activist group called Collectif Banlieues Respect called on the Roman Catholic Church – in a spirit of inter-religious solidarity, of course – to make its empty churches available to Muslims for Friday prayers

The muslims just love the concept of the empty churches in France ...

23 posted on 04/04/2011 9:32:42 AM PDT by Dr. Scarpetta
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To: WayneS

Use their own oil money and build their own damn churches or whatever they call them. If not, then go back where they came from . . . the U.S. is funding mosque building back in sand jockey land thanks to the muslim living in our White House and Hitlery.


24 posted on 04/04/2011 9:36:35 AM PDT by laweeks
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To: Ooh-Ah
In no mood for compromise, France's most prominent Muslim leader has called for the number of mosques in the country to be doubled to 4,000. In a June 2010 interview with France-Soir, Dalil Boubakeur, rector of the Grande Mosque of Paris and formerly president of the French Council for Muslims, said a major mosque-building program – courtesy of French taxpayers – would ease the "pressure, frustration and the sense of injustice" felt by many French Muslims. "Open a mosque and you close a prison," Boubakeur said.

Hey, I've got an even better idea! Build all of those mosques back in the pile of sand you came from, Dalil.

25 posted on 04/04/2011 9:38:39 AM PDT by Allegra (Hey! Stop looking at my tagline like that.)
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To: Ooh-Ah

There are empty churches because more and more French are becoming anti-theist socialists.

Will the idiots finally become outraged when the Muslims take all their welfare funds?


26 posted on 04/04/2011 9:41:15 AM PDT by Soothesayer (smallpox is not a person)
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To: Ooh-Ah

27 posted on 04/04/2011 9:47:17 AM PDT by AngelesCrestHighway
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To: WayneS

I think Obama is the 12th Imam.


28 posted on 04/04/2011 9:48:54 AM PDT by MissMack99 (Obama is the 12th Imam)
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To: lexington minuteman 1775
Where is “Charles the Hammer” when we need him...

The last European emigrating to the US don't forget to bring the Pate' de fois.

29 posted on 04/04/2011 9:52:22 AM PDT by Calusa (The pump don't work cause the vandals took the handles. Quoth Bob Dylan.)
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To: Ooh-Ah
Muslim groups in France have asked the Roman Catholic Church for permission to use its empty churches as a way to solve the traffic problems caused by thousands of Muslims who pray in the streets.

It is very sad that the people of France have abandoned their religion. Why else would there be so many empty churches? The Muslim population is growing by leaps and bounds. They are in need of space to worship, something the typical Frenchman has forsaken. Goodbye to France.

30 posted on 04/04/2011 9:52:22 AM PDT by olezip
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To: Soothesayer

Barring a miracle I think the battle for christanity in Europe is lost. The church should be salvaging and abandoning the churches, and selling the land (not to the muslims). Considering a hostile climate, low birth rates among native catholics, and the an increasingly hostile presence in Europe both political and otherwise the Holy See itself may have to be moved in fifty years or less.

It is a retreat and there isn’t a nice way to dress it up. The church can’t fight back now due to the political climate and when it finally has to it will lose in Europe. All they can hope to do is wait for the muslims to kill eachother and begin to expand again.


31 posted on 04/04/2011 9:52:41 AM PDT by utherdoul
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To: Calusa

Poland will be the last European Christian Nation standing.


32 posted on 04/04/2011 9:54:16 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: utherdoul

They may need to move to South American but then again its only a matter of time until their laziness and love of socialism makes them turn on the church.

This is almost certainly the end of civilization. It’s not a matter of if but when.


33 posted on 04/04/2011 9:56:38 AM PDT by Soothesayer (smallpox is not a person)
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To: All
As one friend well describes it:
A Seemingly Innocuous Request But Such a Triumphal Statement

34 posted on 04/04/2011 9:56:55 AM PDT by Ooh-Ah
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To: Ooh-Ah
FRENCH CHURCHES...HEADS UP (or should it be heads off?)

At least 1,000 Christians were slaughtered this week in at the Salesian Saint Teresa of the Child Jesus mission in Duekoue, Ivory Coast by Muslim troops loyal to Alassane Ouattara

35 posted on 04/04/2011 9:57:49 AM PDT by stars & stripes forever
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To: Ooh-Ah

It’s not innocuous. Muslims will see that as a
successful conquering of the Christians and
claim the church building as “muslim land” in
perpetuity. Any attempt to reclaim the building
for Christian use will be met with murderous
tantrums of the variety sweeping Pakistan and
Afghanistan over a Koran burning in Florida
last month. Muslims aren’t playing with a full
deck. They are spoiled, petulant children who
act out in murderous fashion in place of
rational behavior.


36 posted on 04/04/2011 9:58:29 AM PDT by Myrddin
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To: Ooh-Ah

Spray the streets with pig blood. The muslims
can drop a rug at home. The illegal assemblies
in the streets must be stopped. The residents
should take their dogs out for a walk. It is their
right to do so and will offend the muzzies
illegally assembled. A pack of Rottweilers might
help. They can defend themselves.


37 posted on 04/04/2011 10:03:51 AM PDT by Myrddin
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To: gaijin
Thugs simply stretch tape across entire downtown blocks —maybe three blocks at a time, and prevent all car circulation. Thousands emerge, rugs unfurl, shoes come off, and they all squat sardine-like, thigh to hip.

The way to deal with this is to unleash a few pigs into the crowds....

38 posted on 04/04/2011 10:16:02 AM PDT by Rapscallion (Obama is a fraud. The founders gave us the tool of impeachment for a reason.)
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To: Ooh-Ah

How about the Gendarmes just clear the streets which is their job and let the Muzzies figure out where to pray? Like at home.


39 posted on 04/04/2011 10:17:38 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Ooh-Ah

This is following pretty closely with the “actions based on percentage population” for Muslims:

As long as the Muslim population remains around 1% of any given country they will be regarded as a peace-loving minority and not as a threat to anyone. In fact, they may be featured in articles and films, stereotyped for their colorful uniqueness:

United States — Muslim 1.0%
Australia — Muslim 1.5%
Canada — Muslim 1.9%
China — Muslim 1%-2%
Italy — Muslim 1.5%
Norway — Muslim 1.8%

At 2% and 3% they begin to proselytize from other ethnic minorities and disaffected groups with major recruiting from the jails and among street gangs:

Denmark — Muslim 2%
Germany — Muslim 3.7%
United Kingdom — Muslim 2.7%
Spain — Muslim 4%
Thailand — Muslim 4.6%

From 5% on they exercise an inordinate influence in proportion to their percentage of the population.

They will push for the introduction of halal (clean by Islamic standards) food, thereby securing food preparation jobs for Muslims. They will increase pressure on supermarket chains to feature it on their shelves — along with threats for failure to comply. (United States ).

France — Muslim 8%
Philippines — Muslim 5%
Sweden — Muslim 5%
Switzerland — Muslim 4.3%
The Netherlands — Muslim 5.5%
Trinidad &Tobago — Muslim 5.8%

At this point, they will work to get the ruling government to allow them to rule themselves under Sharia, the Islamic Law. The ultimate goal of Islam is not to convert the world but to establish Sharia law over the entire world.

When Muslims reach 10% of the population, they will increase lawlessness as a means of complaint about their conditions ( Paris –car-burnings) . Any non-Muslim action that offends Islam will result in uprisings and threats ( Amsterdam – Mohammed cartoons).

see: http://heavenawaits.wordpress.com/muslim-behavior-with-population-increase/


40 posted on 04/04/2011 10:21:03 AM PDT by spodefly (This is my tag line. There are many like it, but this one is mine.)
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