Posted on 03/28/2011 8:49:00 AM PDT by massmike
Every commander executing a plan that he considers bad or disastrous is criminal. He must point out the flaws, insist that it be changed and at last resort resign rather than be the instrument of the destruction of his own men.
-- Napoleon
Even we didn't think that the repeal of "Don't Ask Don't Tell" (DADT) would lead to anything like this so quickly.
How can even the US Marines be fully on board? Many of you may have seen this recent official announcement video by the Marine Corps on how they intend to do their best to integrate homosexuality into their units.
It's truly mind-numbing watching the commanders of America's armed forces cave in to an immediate and thorough large-scale indoctrination into the destructive tentacles of homosexuality. It's hard to figure out whether they actually believe this, or they're selling their souls. In the end it doesn't matter. They are helping destroy the US military as we know it.
What do you suppose Napoleon (or General Patton) would say about all this?
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I agree with you about defeatism and we do it all the time....guilty as charged. However, my issue to fight is abortion and getting rid of that massacre. I will always put forth my efforts towards that. I am 100 percent sure that others will take the gays in the military by storm. After 38 years of fighting the pro-abortion zealots, I wish them luck because they will need it.
No rank, but delegated every $hitty job no one else will do, simply because I will do it. I have recently gained appreciation and understanding of those who vanish when things require doing.
I have found that the more you accept, the more that is expected of you. I have also found that those who vanish before the task are at hand to criticize your performance after the action.
This matters not to me.
As much as you or I don’t like it, the commanders have no choice. This is a lawfull order and must be followed.
As persuasive as they anecdotal may or may not be, I have seen no reporting to suggest people are resigning from service, nor have I seen any statistical information that suggests non-ob officers are resigning.
Put another way, the "friend of a friend" anecdote doesn't have much statistical value. The Pentagon is not bracing for a mass exodus of non-ob officers over this.
That's understandable. In a way, though, they are really part of the same core problem, which is a tough one to fight, and has been fought for thousands of years.
I can’t speak as to the other services, but the related Army policies and training specifically state that they will not make any special exceptions, allow breaking of any committments, etc. to allow soldiers to leave.
Due to the state of the economy, I highly doubt anyone will leave due to DADT repeal. Those that say that is their reason probably have another, less savory reason for getting out.
I expect to have the living $hit stomped out of me for this post, but so be it. Wont be the first, maybe the last.
I resigned my commission because of the election of Clinton, and in retrospect, that was just plain dumb. The Corps is still there. Bill ain't.
My son in law is career military. I’ve had several conversations with him about this very issue. His attitude and the attitude of those with him is that when commands are issued it’s “their job” to obey without question. They are not to question but to understand that those who give the commands understand the situation and issues better then they could. We the people have no idea what the “bigger” issues are and should “have faith” in those in leadership positions “because they know more then we do” about what’s going on in the world.
You can take the naïve position that they will “do the right thing” but don’t cry fowl when you are being told what to do or even being herded into “safe haven” camps. Waco and Ruby Ridge may give you an idea of whether or not they will act against citizens.
Napoleon nailed it right on the head. Better to resign than destroy your own men.
Yeah, but while sticks and stones may break your bones, virtual stompings don’t really mean poop...
Sounds relative to me.
“The Pentagon is not bracing for a mass exodus of non-ob officers over this.”
Too early to tell, really, so your comments that no one is leaving are useless. I know people not enlisting and I know of people are planning on leaving. Only time will tell and any comments either way a premature.
“It is a necessary survival mechanism “
You’re just going to have to explain that one, if you don’t mind.
That's what I've advised my son. Especially in light of the way that combat Marines have been cut loose by some of their operational commanders to the jollies of JAG officers prosecuting them for making war. Not talking about drug dealing or theft or murder but war and combat situations with ROE that take us out of offensive and into a probing defensive posture.
We OWN the night, we own comms, our fitness and fire discipline is second to none. I have and I would gladly allow my fire teams and those of Marines to cover me into any fight, but I sure wouldn't want to face a bunch of REMF prosecuting me when a bad guy says that I 'murdered' some civilians that he's using as cover or other such BS.
War sucks, combat sucks, but having Obamalama ding dong looking up from his NCAA basketball brackets and sports prognostications to "tsk-tsk" about my son or my brothers dying in combat...or Hillary waddling about and pretending she has even a basic concept of asymmetrical warfare and counter insurgency explaining herself to the MSM makes me want to puke.
Never going to happen. It's still a free country and my advice to mine is to find something you're good at and stick it to the bureaucrats every chance you get. The good news is that I've got 4 kids and they want big families, liberals are either too busy killing their baby's and the homosexuals aren't able to make 4-5 clones of themselves...babies take the attention away from them and people with gender identification issues, poor impulse control and narcissistic sociopathic tendencies don't do well with large groups of people sharing or losing their "identity" to become part of a unit. They want to be the star... no stars in the Marines. We're all the same.... miserable turds trained to kick somebody's a##.
The way the pink Marines and other gay activist joining the service are going to work this is service related disabilities. Mark this and bank on it. Once one homosexual sets up shop, he/she/it is going to have a treadmill of fellow travelers that will form pink palaces like what happened to the Catholic church in the late 50's-60's.
Remember, they're not "pedophile" priests...they are "male homosexual predators". That's what they do, it's just a natural thing that is now going to be protected by the DOJ, JAG and UCMJ. Well see how this all shakes out in about 10-15 years.
Have fun fellas, Semper Fi.
Here are my questions to the “leadership” that is pushing this. There are only so many ways that you can practice homosexuality, and sodomy is still on the books under the UCMJ. Does this mean the sodomy laws are gone too?
The military is a place for young, healthy, heterosexual, men. I pissed off many in that statement, I know. Well, I'm old for the Army and I'm a cripple, so I too don't belong there anymore. To many in our society, homo's, feminists etc. the Army and Marines are a bastion of the patriarchal society and they wish the affirmation of their beliefs and lifestyle, not really be part of this awesome green machine. to them conquering the Army and Marines means they are now legitimate and equal. That's why you have all of these people drive around with their little equal sign bumper stickers.
In our society everything is explained through the conflict theory and nothing has a reason or purpose for being the way it is. In our society we intentionally make things more gray than they really are in order to obfuscate the situation and be able to take whatever position we want, usually what feels good (hedonism). The gay issue in the DoD is a sad statement because in all reality homosexuals have been allowed to serve for a long time and this isn't about being allowed to serve, but rather them wanting affirmation.
Why homosexuality is an issue in the DoD:
1. HIV is not really detectable for 2 - 26 weeks after exposure. In all fairness, by month three nearly all will be detected. Basically, the antibodies take time to build and you can do a lot of infecting in that time. The primary blood supply of the DoD is the DoD and it's dependents. Condoning this sort of “behavior” is nothing less than adding risk to the formula. There is a reason why as a soldier you put your blood type on your helmet, arm sleeve and it's on your dog tags and ID. Number one cause of death = loss of blood.
2. There is a reason why private Manning is not a name mentioned by the gay community or Obama himself that wants to reap all the benefits from this crusade. Just like ones inability to manage ones finances, control where one puts their sexual organs, an ideological disgruntled employee....... this is a rift, a fault line that is often the cause for people to act in a malicious manner. things like this are the “causes” or the cracks which bad guys exploit to recruit folks that collect for them. being more open will not reduce this threat, no less than DADT where they said the same thing. The issue is in reality that these people have a psychological disorder we today aren't allowed to call such.
3. There are issues with infrastructure and logistics that are created by allowing openly gay personnel. The DoD is a place where you have many jobs lacking any semblance of privacy and it is difficult to create this in austere conditions.
4. Commanders/commands will ultimately be held accountable for the actions of their subordinates which they cannot control 24/7. As with women in combat arms (A very bad idea) you are setting yourself up for problems and then will hang some poor CPT or LTC out to dry when something happens. I as a former CPT am very happy that I won't have to deal with this, just one more thing to worry about, one more thing I can't really control but which could end my career.
5. There is a huge hypocrisy that will now develop within the DoD and specifically the UCMJ. if allowed, they (the civil military leadership pushing this stupidity) would rather not address it, but realistically every homosexual practices sodomy by definition and now what do we do with all this code? If we are not to be hipocrites, we now need to completely overhaul all sorts of other rules that apply to Sexual behaviors and relationships in the DoD.
As it was worked well but obviously didn't allow those like Manning to run around in pumps with a big rainbow sign on post, so they had to push further. Thank goodness for some open minded person like Obama to see their plight!/sarc As it was DADT allowed gays to serve and as long as they stay discreet, there was no issue and the five aforementioned areas of concern are also minimal concerns under DADT. DADT was a compromise where the organizational needs were given some consideration as well as the right of gays of whom some surely do wish to serve and will do so with distinction. The problem is that this obviously didn't go far enough and now the organizational needs are irrelevent.
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