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VIDEO: Donald Trump Takes on Whoopi, 'The View' Over Obama's Birth Certificate (Fox and Friends)
You Tube/Fox News ^ | Mar 28, 2011

Posted on 03/28/2011 6:04:06 AM PDT by chopperman

I loved it.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Extended News; Front Page News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: birthcertificate; birthers; birthertrump; breakingnewsnot; certifigate; donaldtrump; naturalborncitizen; notbreakingnews; obama; trump; trump2012
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To: jcsjcm
Actually there has not been one case where the court has ruled that a child of alien parents is a natural born citizen.

I linked to a bunch of citations above.

581 posted on 03/28/2011 10:13:15 PM PDT by curiosity
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To: curiosity

There are obvioulsy many ways in which our government has become lawless and the inaction in cases such as Obama’s violation of the Logan Act is one of them. Just as was John Kerry’s violation as well. Just as the Constitution gets trampled on all of the time as well.

Usually it is with left-wingers though that I see someone come out and try to defend this lawlessness. So your posts make me very suspicious of you.

Obama did actively campaign in Kenya. I have seen it on YouTube whereas he makes the same type of ‘Vote for Change’ speech over in Kenya in support of his socialist cousin.

It is telling though that you support any source that defends Obama but then discount all that do not and ridicule them.


582 posted on 03/28/2011 10:13:33 PM PDT by TheBigIf
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To: curiosity

Senate Resolution 511

SRES 511 RS
Calendar No. 715
ATSCommentsClose CommentsPermalink

110th CONGRESS
2d Session
S. RES. 511

Recognizing that John Sidney McCain, III, is a natural born citizen.CommentsClose CommentsPermalink

IN THE SENATE OF THE UNITED STATES
April 10, 2008

Mrs. MCCASKILL (for herself, Mr. LEAHY, Mr. OBAMA, Mr. COBURN, Mrs. CLINTON, and Mr. WEBB) submitted the following resolution; which was referred to the Committee on the JudiciaryCommentsClose CommentsPermalink

April 24, 2008

Reported by Mr. LEAHY, without amendmentCommentsClose CommentsPermalink

April 30, 2008

Considered and agreed toCommentsClose CommentsPermalink

RESOLUTION

Recognizing that John Sidney McCain, III, is a natural born citizen.CommentsClose CommentsPermalink

Whereas the Constitution of the United States requires that, to be eligible for the Office of the President, a person must be a `natural born Citizen’ of the United States;CommentsClose CommentsPermalink

Whereas the term `natural born Citizen’, as that term appears in Article II, Section 1, is not defined in the Constitution of the United States;CommentsClose CommentsPermalink

Whereas there is no evidence of the intention of the Framers or any Congress to limit the constitutional rights of children born to Americans serving in the military nor to prevent those children from serving as their country’s President;CommentsClose CommentsPermalink

Whereas such limitations would be inconsistent with the purpose and intent of the `natural born Citizen’ clause of the Constitution of the United States, as evidenced by the First Congress’s own statute defining the term `natural born Citizen’;CommentsClose CommentsPermalink

Whereas the well-being of all citizens of the United States is preserved and enhanced by the men and women who are assigned to serve our country outside of our national borders;CommentsClose CommentsPermalink

Whereas previous presidential candidates were born outside of the United States of America and were understood to be eligible to be President; andCommentsClose CommentsPermalink

Whereas John Sidney McCain, III, was born to American citizens on an American military base in the Panama Canal Zone in 1936: Now, therefore, be itCommentsClose CommentsPermalink

Resolved, That John Sidney McCain, III, is a `natural born Citizen’ under Article II, Section 1, of the Constitution of the United States.


583 posted on 03/28/2011 10:17:05 PM PDT by jcsjcm (This country was built on exceptionalism and individualism. In God we Trust - Laus Deo)
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To: TheBigIf
There are obvioulsy many ways in which our government has become lawless and the inaction in cases such as Obama’s violation of the Logan Act is one of them...Obama did actively campaign in Kenya.

The then-chairman of the GOP Senate Foriegn relations committee, as well as the retired Air Force General who traveled with Obama, disagree and say he did nothing wrong. I'll take their word over yours.

I have seen it on YouTube whereas he makes the same type of ‘Vote for Change’ speech over in Kenya in support of his socialist cousin.

I searched for it and couldn't find it. Got a link?

584 posted on 03/28/2011 10:19:35 PM PDT by curiosity
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To: curiosity

....Obama has had lawyers file motions to dismiss eligibility lawsuits. He has not fought the release of any documents....

WRONG

Citizen WElls
Obama Occidental College records, Subpoenaed records, Obama ineligible, Gary Kreep, U.S. Justice Foundation, Barry Soetero, College lawyers, Stuart W. Rudnick of Musick, Peeler & Garrett, Fredric D. Woocher, Worldnetdaily.com, February 13, 2009

Posted on February 13, 2009
by citizenwells| 88 Comments
More evidence that Obama is hiding his past and is not
eligible to be president. From World Net Dailly,
February 13, 2009:

“‘Sanctions’ sought in eligibility case
President’s attorneys file motion demanding birth, college records be withheld from public”

“By Bob Unruh”

“A high-powered team of Los Angeles attorneys representing President Obama in his effort to keep his birth certificate, college records and passport documents concealed from the public has suggested there should be “monetary sanctions” against a lawyer whose clients have brought a complaint alleging Obama doesn’t qualify for the Oval Office under the Constitution’s demand for a “natural born” citizen in that post.

The suggestion came in an exchange of e-mails and documents in a case brought by former presidential candidate Alan Keyes and others in California. The case originally sought to have the state’s electors ordered to withhold their votes for Obama until his eligibility was established. Since his inauguration, it has been amended to seek a future requirement for a vetting process, in addition to the still-sought unveiling of Obama’s records.

In the case, being handled largely by Gary Kreep of the U.S. Justice Foundation, he recently subpoenaed the records documenting the attendance by Obama, or possibly the student when he was known as Barry Soetero, from Occidental College.

The lawyer for the college, Stuart W. Rudnick of Musick, Peeler & Garrett, urgently contacted Fredric D. Woocher of Strumwasser & Woocher.

“This firm is counsel to Occidental College. The College is in receipt of the enclosed subpoena that seeks certain information concerning President-Elect Barack Obama,” he wrote via fax. “Inasmuch as the subpoena appears to be valid on its face, the College will have no alternative but to comply with the subpoena absent a court order instructing otherwise.”

Within hours, Woocher contacted Kreep regarding the issue, telling him, “It will likely not surprise you to hear that President-elect Obama opposes the production of the requested records.
“In order to avoid the needless expense of our bringing and litigating a Motion to Quash the subpoena, I am writing to ask whether you would be willing to agree voluntarily to cancel or withdraw the subpoena…”

Woocher warned, “Please be advised, in particular, that in the event we are forced to file a motion to quash and we prevail in that motion, we will seek the full measure of monetary sanctions provided for in the Code of Civil Procedures.” “

http://citizenwells.wordpress.com/2009/02/13/obama-occidental-college-records-subpoenaed-records-obama-ineligible-gary-kreep-us-justice-foundation-barry-soetero-college-lawyers-stuart-w-rudnick-of-musick-peeler-garrett-fredric/


585 posted on 03/28/2011 10:19:55 PM PDT by rolling_stone ( *this makes Watergate look like a kiddie pool*)
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To: jcsjcm
All your post proves is that the Senate passed a resolution declaring McCain a natural born citizen. It does not prove McCain ever presented his birth certificate to Congress, any court, or any election official.
586 posted on 03/28/2011 10:23:53 PM PDT by curiosity
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To: curiosity

Not worth my time looking for your supposed links. I’ve read all rulings on children of alien parents. None have ever stated that the child is considered natural born. Native maybe, but never natural born.

You just are not worth fighting with!


587 posted on 03/28/2011 10:24:03 PM PDT by jcsjcm (This country was built on exceptionalism and individualism. In God we Trust - Laus Deo)
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To: rolling_stone
LOL! Your only source is some anonymous blogger!
588 posted on 03/28/2011 10:24:46 PM PDT by curiosity
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To: jcsjcm
For your convenience:

http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2010/01/natural-born-citizen-at-law/

589 posted on 03/28/2011 10:25:42 PM PDT by curiosity
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To: curiosity
>>>No he wouldn't. He would just say that he asked a legitimate question and is now glad that it has been definitively answered.<<<

That would be true if he just kept asking the question. However, today he came closer to accusing him of not being a citizen by saying that he know has some real concerns about whether he was born in the US.
I really don't think he would go there if he didn't have something.

590 posted on 03/28/2011 10:26:03 PM PDT by kara37
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To: curiosity

Personally I think you totally full of it. You know this issue and I am sure you have already seen videos such as this and that you already have prepared answers as well whereas you will defend Obama and claim that he is not campaigning.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c6eVVVKFHu0

It was very easy to find the video and there are others so as I said you are a troll and are simply playing games with prepared responses from whatever left-wing group you represent.


591 posted on 03/28/2011 10:27:33 PM PDT by TheBigIf
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To: kara37
However, today he came closer to accusing him of not being a citizen by saying that he know has some real concerns about whether he was born in the US.

Bah. He can just say he had a "real concern" because of Obama's refusal to make public the long form.

I really don't think he would go there if he didn't have something.

He would, could, and did.

592 posted on 03/28/2011 10:28:06 PM PDT by curiosity
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To: TheBigIf
You know this issue and I am sure you have already seen videos such as this

Oh, that? Really? Do you not even watch the viedoes?

Yes, I saw it earlier, but it doesn't show what you think it shows. Namely, it doesn't show him campaiging for Odinga or negotiating with the Kenyan government. It shows appearing in various places around the country and giving a speach to Kenya's parliament.

Where, exactly, do you think it shows him violating the Logan act or campaiging for Odinga?

593 posted on 03/28/2011 10:31:54 PM PDT by curiosity
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To: curiosity

I call BS on this!

Marian MUSTATA; Lenuta Mustata, Petitioners-Appellants,
v.
U.S. DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE; Carol Jenifer, District
Director, Immigration and Naturalization Service,

The court did not rule on whether the children were natural born citizens. The statement was made by their lawyer, not by the court. The case has to do with the parents, not the children. Debunked!

970 F.2d 211

Joseph DeTOMASO, Plaintiff-Appellant,
v.
Kenneth McGINNIS, Director, Illinois Department of
Corrections, et al., Defendants-Appellees.

No. 91-1976.

United States Court of Appeals,
Seventh Circuit.

You can’t be serious? WTH is this? Have you read any of this crap or are you just going to believe this web site.

I’ve read through 2 and that’s it for me! I call BS on the rest! Show me a court case where the judge is actually ruling on the child of alien parents. So far you’ve got nothing!


594 posted on 03/28/2011 10:37:01 PM PDT by jcsjcm (This country was built on exceptionalism and individualism. In God we Trust - Laus Deo)
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To: curiosity

LOL! Your only source is some anonymous blogger!

YOU LIE
go back and read what I posted an tell me again the author is anonymous.
Now as far as you citing cases from Dr Conspiracy, a statistician who admits (and proves it) that he is not a lawyer, I suggest you read the cases he cites and show us one on point. You continue to make statements without doing your own research and your allegations are faulty (crap).

here is one example he cites:
....Detomaso is “eligible” to be President of the United States if he is “a natural born Citizen … [who has] attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.” Art. II § 1 cl. 5. A 35-year-old native does not have a property interest in the presidency......

How does that conclude anything? The case had to do with work release from prison and NBC was not argued.

....


595 posted on 03/28/2011 10:41:53 PM PDT by rolling_stone ( *this makes Watergate look like a kiddie pool*)
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To: jcsjcm
The court did not rule on whether the children were natural born citizens. The statement was made by their lawyer, not by the court.

The first quote is from the Judge's opinion, which clearly states the children are natural born citizens, even as the parents are not citizens.

What's wrong with the second quote?

596 posted on 03/28/2011 10:42:46 PM PDT by curiosity
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To: curiosity

LOL

As I said, not worth my time! These are not rulings on whether the child is considered natural born! I’ve seen rulings on cases of children and their citizen status, this is not at all what these cases are about.

That site is trying to fool the foolish! Not buying it!


597 posted on 03/28/2011 10:48:38 PM PDT by jcsjcm (This country was built on exceptionalism and individualism. In God we Trust - Laus Deo)
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To: Sal
Apparently the story of Sarah Obama was misunderstood as her talking about Obama’s birth when it was actually some other relative who was some kind of goat herd or something.

LOL! The other relative who was some sort of goat-herder or something...is actually Barak Hussein Obama, son of Onyango Obama. The 'goat-herder' comes from zero...who once said his father grew up in a village in Kenya, herding goats.

598 posted on 03/28/2011 11:35:57 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (FAIR DINKUM!)
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To: curiosity; Jim Robinson
Those polls of GOP voters on the birther question make me want to do a face palm. And then with that idiot Michelle Bachmann entering the race, oy vey...

curiosity,

You've stated that Michelle Bachmann is an "idiot."

Please name other stalwart conservatives you think are idiots, and thanks in advance.

599 posted on 03/28/2011 11:41:20 PM PDT by Chunga (Go, Sarah, GO!! - Jim Robinson)
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To: curiosity
HERE'S ARE SOME IMAGES OF ZERO GIVING A SPEECH TO KENYA'S PARLIAMENT...


600 posted on 03/29/2011 12:35:57 AM PDT by Fred Nerks (FAIR DINKUM!)
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