Posted on 03/19/2011 1:08:43 PM PDT by seeker41
I feel a heaviness and a foreboding for our country. Do any of you feel we are close to the end, there is so much going on my head is spinning.
We are losing our identity as "Americans", multi-culturalism and socialism is overtaking us. The west is turning away from Israel and that is a dangerous sign. We seem to be aiding the islamists and this all seems so planned to me. Zero is a non-president and seems to be a robot who is told by others what to do.
I just don't know what is up, but it is not good.
What a wonderful personal page and what an inspiration you are. Thank you for your service. Words cannot express the admiration I have for you and the sacrifice you have made.
The people around me wonder what is wrong with my attitude but I can’t waste my time trying to persuade them anymore. I’m done and I don’t care how much pain they are about to incur because their ignorance has sickened me to a depth I didn’t know existed. I’ve never felt so disgusted in my life.
You express my feelings exactly. The ignorance is what disgusts me the most. I will have little or no sympathy for them.
>>We are losing our identity as “Americans”, multi-culturalism and socialism is overtaking us. The west is turning away from Israel and that is a dangerous sign.<<
I don’t want to kick anyone while they’re down but you say “socialism is overtaking us. The west is turning away from Israel and that is a dangerous sign.” Perhaps you can explain why 85% of Jewish people support socialism. The people on FR obviously don’t but what have you done to convince the ones who do that they’re going down the wrong road?
I have a hard time grasping, equalizing, settling, leveling my feelings and (whatever the damn word is) trying to support Israel when so many American Jews are trying to destroy America by supporting Obama and his socialist administration. All my life I have supported Israel and American Jews in their fight against antisemitism but these days I don’t know what to do. One thing I have learned on FR is that most American Jews believe in something that I don’t.
Did 85% of the Jews in America vote for Obama or didn’t they? Then tell me how I am supposed to settle my “respect” for someone who supports destroying America.
Now if this statement is worthy of being shunned by the Jews on FR that I have come to know and like, then so be it. If it is considered enough to ban me then go ahead and do that too but I sure would appreciate it if someone would stand up and tell me where I am wrong.
Other than make noise, can you tell me what the Republican House of Representatives has accomplished since the Republicans gained control. They continue to vote for continuing resolutions instead of a budget. They voted to raise the National Debt Limit. They voted to defund obamacare, but, without a budget, they know that can’t do that. Meanwhile, each day that passes , under the statusquo, plays into the Democrat’s hands.
The irony is that most leftist American Jews have turned on Israel too ;-)
“God told Moses this prayer....”
Well sure - and he still wandered in the desert for 40 years. Then he died.
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But - God was still with him every step of the way.
First off, I certainly hope that his prediction is wrong and that he comes home safely.
Secondly, I am reluctantly rethinking the value of serving in the military. I recently had the difficult discussion with a close friend who is a retired officer (middle ranking) and whose son is now being deployed to Iraq.
In the case of his son it was a very good choice for him to make to help him get his life in order. There are not a lot of jobs in these parts for high school grads anymore, and he has a wife and child.
But I do not think that it is good for America to send our best, and no doubt many of those who join the armed force are the best, off to fight wars in places like Iraq and Afghanistan.
While I understood the utility of removing Saddam and the Taliban we are now in a strange unending and inexplicable war to see one Muslim faction prevail over another. Why?
And then, of course, the military itself has become a tool of anti-white racism, political correctness, gender-bending, and homosexual advocacy. Conservatives who end up in it are either going to have to hide their views and pretend or sucumb to the new-world views of their organization.
Neither approach is completely congruent with the taking of oaths.
The US Army is at the beck and call of traitorous foreigner. It may well be turned against (or attempt to be turned against) our own citizens.
Sadly, I am not at all sure it is worth the life of one young American to perpetuate most of what the Army is perpetuating at this point.
I am deeply saddened to feel this way.
My friend the officer, after some discussion, agreed that in general he would not suggest that patriotic young people choose to serve at this time.
Have you read the Constitutions of Iraq and Afghanistan? Both have installed Sharia has the highest law of the land. In both countries a net-effect of the changes we have brought is that they are much less safe places for Christians today then they were.
” I will fight for this country with all that I have left in me. “
There are 10’s of millions of us that will.....thank God!
Like you are..
” Have you read the Constitutions of Iraq and Afghanistan? Both have installed Sharia has the highest law of the land. In both countries a net-effect of the changes we have brought is that they are much less safe places for Christians today then they were. “
Good post, Jack.
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are you seriously blaming jews for not voting for mccain? C’mon man! Mccain is a schmuck not deserving of anyone’s vote.
Yes, Mccain is a schmuck not deserving of anyone’s vote but he is a Republican or so he says. And yes, I am blaming the jews who voted AGAINST our Republic. Any jew who voted for Obama did exactly that.
95% of Blacks voted for Obama.
78% of Jews voted for Obama.
66% of Hispanics voted for Obama.
66% of those under 30 voted for Obama.
66% of Singles voted for Obama.
63% of Asians voted for Obama.
56% of Woman voted for Obama.
54% of Catholics voted for Obama.
49% of Men voted for Obama.
45% of Whites voted for Obama.
Ok, what does this mean? Well Jews were very strong Obama voters, but rougly 1/4 of Jews voted for McCain. I've read elsewhere that nearly all of the Orthodox Jews voted for McCain, so what that really says is that most non-religious Jews are liberals.
One could view it as a good thing, or at least as a counter-argument to the old claim that Jews only care about Israel, that as the consensus liberal position changes to be anti-Israel many American (secular or reform) Jews are adopting this position, too.
I know of at least one Jewish family where the son told his brother, an Orthodox Jew, "No, I don't really care about Israel. Why should I? I was born here, I'm not really into Jewish stuff. Sure, I care about them, but I care about Poland, and France and England too. They are all good modern Western countries that I hope do well, but they are not my country, and I would certainly put the good of America over the good of Israel if it came down to it".
By the way, that fellow is a classic 'swing voter' who did vote for McCain, but also voted for Bush twice.
So, while I think he made a bad choice in voting for Obama, I have to admit that McCain was a terrible candidate and it took a leap of faith (or a better understanding of Obama's wickedness) to vote for him. I am sure he doesn't favor turning the USA into a Socialist country.
You continue: All my life I have supported Israel and American Jews in their fight against antisemitism but these days I don’t know what to do.
I think Israel deserves support on it's own merits. For many Americans there is a strong religious component of this. But even from a purely secular viewpoint, they are a legitimate nation who behaves well under very trying circumstances. They have mostly fought their own wars and made their own decisions. I do not agree with the large amounts of money we give them, but then I am simply a fiscal conservative who opposses all foreign aid. (Where is it authorized in the Constitution?)
I think any fair minded appraisal of the relative "goodness" of Isreal vs. all her neighbors easily proves the point. They are by far the best (ie: most free, most developed, most tolerant, most diverse) country in the region.
Therefore the liberal-left idiocy that "Israel is a garbage nation" is almost the instant signature position of Liberal Idiots (libtards).
One thing I have learned on FR is that most American Jews believe in something that I don’t.
Yes, that's true. Let me rephrase this based on the list above: Most Blacks, Latinos, Asians, Jews and Young People believe in something that I don't.
I used a 60% cutoff on that last, based on the demographics above. Which kinda makes sense, if you pulled the "blacks" out of the "women" category you would find that white woman voted for McCain. Ditto pulling the Hispanics out of the Catholic category.
But somewhere around 60% I think the correlation becomes accurate.
So, here in diverse America there are a few things to think about. One, the one pushed endlessly at Free Republic is that "Hey, don't damn all Blacks. 1 in 20 voted for McCain and is a conservative". So, for all these categories you can say that. 7 out of 20 Asians might think like you.
But there is another truth that we don't discuss much: the Constitutionally limited old Republic, the ideas of the founders, an America that is different and not just a European style Welfare State has almost always been the program of the Anglo-Saxon Protestant part of America, perhaps including many of the German immigrants, the single largest post-founding ethnic group in America.
Even the Catholics, who have been here now for well over 100 years in many cases (my Catholic family is going on 150 years of residence in the USA) are still often aligned with the Socialist vision.
At Free Republic frank discussions of race and Jewish ethnic differences were once almost forbidden. Now they are allowed, within tight boundaries.
I can't read Jim's mind, but I belive his original rules made a lot of sense, and were probably something like: "look, this is about IDEOLOGY not race or religion or ethnic background. We want every American to align with the vision of the Free Republic and work to make it a more perfect union, why push people away, even if they are part of a group that tends towards Socialism, they individually should be made welcome. Too much talk about blacks or Jews will only drive them away.
In a sense that is the same strategy that Karl Rove had.
Now I sense that a bit more latitude is available for discussion of the racial topic. And I think this is from a growing understanding that adherence to the values of the Free Republic is hard to acquire. Even Catholics (I was born one, so I use this example to avoid having people view me as picking on others) somehow cling to the more traditional (in Catholic countries) idea of big governments and socialism.
This despite our universal accepatance in the Society, near complete lack of discrimination, and generally very good economic condition.
If support for the limited government traditional Republic is so hard to catch that only 1/2 of Catholics have it (and remember our grandparents and great-grandparents were subjected to the "melting pot" where they were expected to assimilate to American language and values as a condition of moving up in life) then what hope, really, is there that somehow those arriving in today's environment from even more powerfully Socialist and statist backgrounds can be won over to Conservatism?
Very very low.
And of course aside from political philosophy in general some of these groups have other deeply ingrained beliefs, such as the increasingly common Latino belief that they are the rightful owners of the USA (or some large chunk of it) and that Whites "stole it" from them, or the Black investment in the "racism" scam.
I believe that most Jews, and particularly almost all secular Jews, have a whole host of these special pleadings and concepts that they work hard to drive forward. They are the ultimate successful minority in America that continues to view itself as a minority and lobby for endless special causes based on their deeply in grained sense of grievance.
So, where does that leave us?
It is clear (to me at least) that we are losing the battle, and that our strategy is a losing one. We are fighting a war of ideas, our enemies are fighting a war of demographics. As the old saying goes: demographics is destiny.
It is simply hopeless dreaming to think that we can ever convert the new leftist-leaning immigrants to our way of thinking fast enough to win this war. Right now the ratio of Obama-voting Latinos to the good ones is 2 to 1. Bring enough of them in and you swamp the Conservative remnant, plain and simple. They know it, and that's why no matter what else they compromise on they will refuse to end the deluge, and will fight repatriation of illegals with every means, legal and illegal, at their disposal.
There is no ref in this bout, they are fighting like Tyson at his worst, we are fighting like Gentleman Jim Corbett. If we limit ourselves this way, we are going to lose. Our ideas are powerful, to us. They are clearly NOT powerful to Blacks.
So now we bump up against two sacred axioms of America: majority rules (within Constitutional limits, hopefully) and One Nation, Undivided.
As I see it we have to jettison one of these two principles to have someplace of our own. That is somewhere when the traditional American virtues of self-sufficiency, honor, discipline, accepting ones losses, sacrifice, the sacred nature of God, duty to one's family, thrift and industry prevail. And where the counterfit values of redistribution, entitlements, tribalism, baby-mama, welfare statism, homosexualism, random violence, pornography, intoxication, spectacle and liberal idiocy does not exist. (Because it is too toxic to live alongside, as we see in modern America).
I favor separation. Peaceful, if at all possible.
I have accepted that this vision may not be workable for our Black brothers and sisters, perhaps they need their own Africa-in-America where the village raises the children. Or that our secular Jewish citizens prefer to live in a multicultural everything-goes amoral, welfare state full of refugees from every corner of the earth.
What I can no longer accept is that I will sit here patiently fighting my war of words, the war of ideas, as everything I care about is swamped by the rising tide of multicultural-socialism and I am forced to live in their world -by the tyrany of "majority rules".
So, for me my political views have changed a great deal since I first logged onto FR as a young conservative 14 years ago. I'm not so young, I'm not so naive, I'm not so tolerant, and I am understanding that it is my best interest for the current status-quo to fail in some way that creates an opening for freedom and liberty to re-emerge on this Continent, where once it flourished but today it is nearly extinct.
Sorry to be so long winded. It was a heartfelt question and I have done by best to answer it.
Cause I could never convince you so why bother? Liberal American Jews are much much different than Jews who actually live in Israel. I know I have been there in the past, actually in July 2001.
There will be no third party. We will kick the rest of the socilists out of OUR party and then get-er-done.
There will be no third party. We will kick the rest of the socialists out of OUR party and then get-er-done.
why bother? You were the one who posted the thread weren’t you? At the moment I am not concerned with the Jews in Israel. We can get to them another day. It’s the American RINO Jews and Obama supporters that I am having difficulty with. When a overwhelming majority of a religious group vote for socialism that scares me and you too evidently. What are you FR Jews doing to convince them they’re on the wrong track?
Not too many families I know have pure ideological consistency.
The path is out there for any who want to travel it, but even libtards I've nearly force-fed righteousness reject it.
I may be starting to understand Calvin's views at long last.
See my post to you about 4 back.
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