Michele Bachmann : 'First thing I would do is offer birth certificate'

WND ^ | March 11, 2011 | Bob Unruh

[RobinMasters]

If Rep. Michele Bachmann, R-Minn., decides to pursue a presidential bid in 2012, it could offer some interesting debate moments now that she's promised that the first thing she would do is offer the public a view of her birth certificate.

"I'll tell you one thing, if I was ever to run for president of the United States, I think the first thing I would do in the first debate is offer my birth certificate so we can get that off the table," she told radio personality Jeff Katz on Boston's Talk 1200 Radio Station.

WND has reported since before Barack Obama's 2008 election on questions and lawsuits over his eligibility under the Constitution's requirement that the president be a "natural born Citizen."

In the last few weeks a campaign has sprung up among state lawmakers to adopt legislation that would require presidential candidates to provide proof of their eligibility. So far, the issue has been considered in 13 states.

[patriot preacher]

:-) If Sarah doesn’t run, I would be profoundly happy to support Michele Bachmann if she ran. I could also support Herman Cain, or Jim Demint (though I hope he stays in the Senate! We need him there!).

[Red Steel]

Now we’re talking. Bachmann must have read my FR posts. :-)

So what’s Obama gonna to do OBots? Oh yeah, he can wave his forged Hawaiian COLB. LoL!

[Smokeyblue]

“She made a point that needed to be made. She is going to be clubbed not matter what she says because she tells the truth without PC. You are just not used to, or don’t like politicians with balls. For crying out loud she is one of about 3 who ever get to the point without preceding it with dribble and an apology.”

Michelle has just moved to the top of my list.

[Smokeyblue]

Oops, I mean Michele.

[opentalk]

Is Obama bribing States on Eligibility?

[83Vet4Life]

You were already awesome before this Michele, but wow!

I bet if you were the only person on Earth with standing to challenge the usurper’s (in)eligibility, you would do it without asking. The beauty queen was in that position and refused.

[jamese777]

Now we’re talking. Bachmann must have read my FR posts. :-)

So what’s Obama gonna to do OBots? Oh yeah, he can wave his forged Hawaiian COLB. LoL!

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Michelle Bachmann voted FOR House Resolution 593 in the 111th Congress, sponored by Congressman Neil Abercrombie (D-HI) which says, in part, “Whereas the 44th President of the United States Barack Obama was born in Hawaii on August 4, 1961.”
The vote on that resolution was 378-0.
http://www.statehoodhawaii.org/txt/HR593/HR_593.html
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/vote.xpd?vote=h2009-647

[Red Steel]

Neil AberCommie ran his mouth for over 2 years that Obama was born in Hawaii including that silly and doesn’t mean anything resolution. When AberCommie became Gov, and it was time to put up or shut up troll-BOT, he could not put up so he shut up. No Barack Obama hospital generated birth certificate. It doesn’t exist.

[bushpilot1]

Show us the hospital generated birth certificate..the one..where both parents..go to the registrars office..for the interview.

Obama was interviewed..right..he had to present his passport..right...

The time .Obama was told to present his passport..is the time he backed away certifying the child was his..

Ann was left with a partial application..of a birth certificate..but not a completed one signed by Obama.

Placing his passport information would complicate matters.

[jamese777]

Neil AberCommie ran his mouth for over 2 years that Obama was born in Hawaii including that silly and doesn’t mean anything resolution. When AberCommie became Gov, and it was time to put up or shut up troll-BOT, he could not put up so he shut up. No Barack Obama hospital generated birth certificate. It doesn’t exist.

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Here’s the truth, not Red Steel lies and fantasies:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110122/ap_on_re_us/us_obama_birth_certificate
Abercrombie ran up against the same Attorney General legal opinion that former Governor Lingle ran up against with her Republican Attorney General, Mark Bennett.

It remains true that if anybody wants to see if an Obama long form, vault copy, original birth certificate really exists, all they need do is get a judge to issue a court order to force its release.

It also remains true that any chairman of a congressional committee can issue a congressional subpoena for that document as a part of an investigation of Obama’s eligibility.

[jamese777]

Show us the hospital generated birth certificate..the one..where both parents..go to the registrars office..for the interview.

Obama was interviewed..right..he had to present his passport..right...

The time .Obama was told to present his passport..is the time he backed away certifying the child was his..

Ann was left with a partial application..of a birth certificate..but not a completed one signed by Obama.

Placing his passport information would complicate matters.

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Ugh oh, Bushpilot’s back on the sauce and is hallucinating evening of August 4, 1961 scenarios at Kapi’olani Hospital.
http://whatreallyhappened.com/IMAGES/obama-1961-birth-announcement-from-honolulu-advertiser0000.gif

[Red Steel]

"Lies and fantasies."

That describes you OBot.

It has been documented many times that Hawaii doesn't even follow their own rules and laws.

Don't give me your crap that Obama has a long form birth certificate. He does not. Hawaii, if they followed their own rules could legally produce Obama's birth certificate, but the clowns don't have one to show.

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Red Flags in Hawaii

Red Flags in Hawaii

People are asking how so many terrorist red flags could be overlooked by so many.  The same way these “birther” red flags were not only overlooked but ridiculed:

1.       DOH Director Fukino  illegally hid until Nov 2009 the DOH Administrative Rules showing that election officials could have received a copy of Obama’s original birth certificate without his permission. The DOH has said they can’t release any records without Obama’s permission. But HRS 338-18(a) allows state laws and DOH rules to govern the disclosure of vital records, and the current rules -Chapter 8b, 2.5(A)(1)(f) -would allow any election officer transacting the placement of Obama’s name on the ballot to receive a certified copy.

 

2.       The DOH has falsely said that HRS 338-18 prohibits disclosure of government processing records. There are 2 kinds of records – records of the vital events themselves, and records of the government’s handling (  http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/hrscurrent/Vol06_Ch0321-0344/HRS0338/HRS_0338-0001.htm) of those records.

Certificates are the record of the vital events. HRS 338-18(a) says that information about the actual birth, death, marriage, and divorce events may only be released according to the provisions set by law or Department of Health rules, thus referring everyone to the DOH Administrative Rules to see how information on actual certificates may be disclosed and to whom. Far from barring “any disclosure” as claimed by the DOH, current Administrative Rules allow a non-certified abbreviated copy of a birth (Chapter 8b, 2.5B), marriage (Ch 8b, 2.8C), or death (Ch8b, 2.6C) certificate to be released to anyone who asks for it. However, a public statement of where someone was born – such as Fukino’s July 27, 2009 statement about Obama – is not allowed by the rules (Ch 8b, 2.1A).

All other records are public, except that neither direct viewing nor certified copies are allowed unless the requestor has a direct and tangible interest. Non-certified copies, abstracts,  and disclosure of information from the documents are not prohibited – which, according to Hawaii’s “Sunshine Law” (UIPA) means they must be disclosed upon request, except for certain exemptions, such as for information having privacy interest that outweighs the public interest in disclosure: date of birth, gender, and address .

 

Since a damaging disclosure of records processing was made in September (see #3), The DOH has been denying access to these records by claiming that ANY DISCLOSURE is forbidden.

 

3.       Though ridiculing “birthers” publicly, the DOH has PRIVATELY confirmed Obama’s online COLB’s as forgeries – a fact the DOH has known since the beginning. Because processing information is subject to disclosure, the DOH was forced in Sept 2009 to reveal that Obama’s birth certificate has been amended  (OIP interpretation) and that Obama or his representative has paid a fee to have his certificate amended at the very time he was considering a run for the presidency. Amendments must be noted on the certificate (Ch 8b, 3.1), so the DOH has known this entire time that both the Factcheck and Fight the Smears COLB’s are forgeries, since they have no amendment noted.

When asked point-blank on Feb 22, 2010 whether the denial of access confirmed the existence of Obama’s amendment documents, the OIP refused to refute that understanding, saying (after 2 e-mails asking clarification) that they were too busy to address the question.

 

4. The combination of certificate number and filing date on the Factcheck COLB is not possible. The DOH has confirmed that the certificate number is assigned by them when they file the certificate. Observed certificate numbers corroborate this as well, and so does page 232 of the CDC’s 1961 Natality Report. The Factcheck COLB says it was filed at the DOH 3 days before the Nordkye twins’ certificates but has a later number than theirs. The certificate number is the same on a COLB as it is on an original, long-form BC, so it makes no difference that the Nordykes’ are long-forms and Factcheck’s a COLB. The DOH has refused to release the certificate number for Obama even though they are required by UIPA to do so.

 

5.       Every government agency in Hawaii contacted thus far has explicitly denied that they have a responsibility to report known forgery and/or have refused to report suspected forgery to law enforcement.  This includes the Department Of Health, Office of Information Practices (OIP), lieutenant governor’s office, and every member of Hawaii’s House and Senate. Janice Okubo of the DOH seems to have stated that law forbids her to disclose ANYTHING about a birth certificate– even that it’s a critical, very public forgery. The Ombudsman’s Office has said they don’t investigate crimes and only report evidence they uncover themselves. See no evil…

 

6.       The amendment made to Obama’s birth certificate renders it insufficient evidence for legal purposes.  Minor administrative errors (such as typos) don’t remove the prima facie evidentiary value of a birth certificate, but such no-fault errors don’t result in a fee (Ch 8b 3.5C, 3.11, 3.1,  & HRS 338-17) and Obama was charged a fee – as the DOH confirmed again on March 23, 2010. Legal name changes also don’t affect the evidentiary value, but the lieutenant governor’s office has confirmed that there has been no legal name change for anyone named Obama, Dunham,  Soetoro, or Sutoro.

 

7.       Kapiolani Hospital received a letter signed by Obama on White House stationery and with raised seal claiming Obama was born there, even though that could only be true if Obama’s amendment contradicted the doctor’s testimony. If he had been born in a Hawaii hospital the hospital itself would have been responsible for the content on the birth certificate and the DOH responsible for any clerical typos. The only way Obama would be charged for an amendment is:

             a)       if he or his representative claimed to have filled out the certificate themselves and erred, or

             b)      if Obama claimed the doctor’s testimony was wrong.

 

8.       The DOH has broken Hawaii law to make rule changes (see July 11 addendum at bottom) that would protect Obama.  In mid-June of 2009 the DOH stated that they will no longer issue long-form birth certificates. This is in direct violation of the current rules, without following HRS 91-3 mandates for an open process for rule changes – the first of several such violations within the past year. 

 

9.       Fukino stated on July 27, 2009 that Obama’s records verify his birth in Hawaii, but Hawaii law forbids her to conclude that, since all the DOH has is legal hearsay. According to PHR Chapter 8b and HRS 338-17, only a judicial or administrative person or group can evaluate the accuracy of the claims when an amended document is presented as evidence. Obama has had many, many opportunities to present his birth certificate as evidence in lawsuits. He has refused – even going so far as rescinding military orders rather than risk a judge seeing his birth certificate. There is no process by which Obama would present his records to Fukino as evidence.

 

10.       Having made the illegal statement, Fukino refused to obey UIPA which required her to release the documents on which her statement was based.

 

11.   The DOH has deleted documents required to be stored for at least 2 years. The DOH says it no longer has the UIPA request or invoices showing Obama’s birth certificate was amended. The DOH’s own “Rules of Practice & Procedure”  (11-1-30) say that documents must be stored as long as the case can be contested –  August 2011 in this case. (Note: the invoices have met their retention period if they were created in 2006 so the HDOH would be correct to not have them any longer.)

12.   Fukino averted discipline against herself by promoting the OIP director, who was replaced by the attorney who has designed the DOH’s deceptive responses. Six days after Leo Donofrio’s  blog said he would ask OIP Director Tsukiyama for disciplinary action against Fukino and Okubo for their deception, Tsukiyama resigned  from the OIP to take a promotion to a company on whose board of directors Fukino sits. He granted Cathy Takase’s request to have control of all DOH matters and asked her to replace him.

Now OIP is leaving HRS 338-18 rulings up to the DOH and refuses to clarify what kinds of responses qualify as Glomar responses. All DOH responses contain deceptions #1&2, including disobeying their own rules for non-certified abbreviated copies of birth, marriage, and death certificates.  They deny that documents exist which are required by law, such as descriptions of their forms,  procedures,  and instructions which are mandated in HRS 91, etc.. (Note: the retention period for the 1961 lists is past, so the HDOH is correct not to have them.)

13. Apparently in response to this blog post and a request for a legislative investigation of these matters, Hawaii State Senator Will Espero has introduced a bill that would allow the OIP to label people who ask too many questions as “vexatious requestors” who are then blacklisted from access to government records for 2 years. The net effect of the bill would be to overturn UIPA. They also want to fine “vexatious requestors”…

14. The DOH is falsifying the communication logs in e-mails to frame the requestor as what Cathy Takase calls ”mentally ill” - thus fit to label as a “vexatious requestor” and blacklist for 2 years.

15. The DOH claims that original records required to be retained permanently (original birth index and index of foreign births) don’t exist. Either they are lying or they have illegally destroyed permanent records.

Red flags. This information has been given to every lawmaker in Hawaii, the OIP, DOH, Ombudsman’s office, HI lieutenant governor’ and governor’s offices, Nebraska’s US attorney (who says they won’t take reports from citizens), and Hawaii’s director of the Department of Public Safety, as well as to multiple news organizations.  The FBI thrice said they don’t investigate document fraud. All refused to act. Red flags.

 

 

 

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[jamese777]

Find any judge in America who will issue a court order for Obama’s birth records or convince just one House of Representatives committee Chair to issue a congressional subpoena and we’ll all know for sure.

There is no doubt and there is no controversy about Hawaii Revised Statutes 338-18(b)(9) permitting the release of a confidential birth record to: “a person whose right to inspect or OBTAIN a certified copy of the record is established by an order of a court of competent jurisdiction.”

“The state of Hawaii says that he was born there. That’s good enough for me.”—John Boehner, Speaker of the House

“The President was in fact born at Kapiolani Hospital in Honolulu. And that’s just a fact.”
“It’s been established. He was born here.”—Former Governor of Hawaii Linda Lingle

“This is one of several suits filed by Ms. Taitz in her quixotic attempt to prove that the President is not a natural born citizen, as is required by the Constitution.
This Court is not willing to go tilting at windmills with her.”—Chief US District Court Judge Royce C. Lamberth

“A spurious claim questioning the President’s consitutional legitimacy may be protected by the First Amendment. But a Court’s placement of its imprimatur upon a claim that is so lacking in factual evidence that it is frivolous would undoubtedly disserve the public interest.”—US District Court Judge for the Middle District of Georgia, Clay R. Land

[Kapi’olani Medical Center for Women and Children] “The place of my birth.”—Barack Hussein Obama II, 44th President of the United States

[Jonah Vark]

Breaking: Canada Free Press Radio: Smith Ready to Testify Before Congress About Obama’s Alleged Kenyan Birth Certificate Scandal

http://networkedblogs.com/fmncU

[Red Steel]

Find any judge in America who will issue a court order for Obama’s birth records or convince just one House of Representatives committee Chair to issue a congressional subpoena and we’ll all know for sure.

Apparently OBot, that government officials are just balless in the face of OBama which you like. There's plenty of evidence to open an investigation against Obama if they choose to.

Your stupid and illogical implications that since one has not happened doesn't make Obama innocent.

“This is one of several suits filed by Ms. Taitz in her quixotic attempt to prove that the President is not a natural born citizen, as is required by the Constitution. This Court is not willing to go tilting at windmills with her.”—Chief US District Court Judge Royce C. Lamberth

Land was being untruthful and/or being ignorant.

And a "quixotic attempt?" Land is implying Obama is too big to fail and citizens of these United States are unequal in eyes of the law. A corrupt viewpoint for a judge to hold.

But a Court’s placement of its imprimatur upon a claim that is so lacking in factual evidence that it is frivolous would undoubtedly disserve the public interest.”—US District Court Judge for the Middle District of Georgia, Clay R. Land

No "judge", and you too stupid OBot Jameseee, your judgments are what is frivolous.

The public interest would be served to investigate this administration since at least 100,000,000 million citizens have suspicions that Obama has usurped the presidency.

[Kapi’olani Medical Center for Women and Children] “The place of my birth.”—Barack Hussein Obama II, 44th President of the United States

No evidence exists that Obama was born at Kapi’olani Medical Center for Women and Children.

[Red Steel]

Smith before has said he held back testimony and proof of his African visit on the advice of his lawyer. It appears he’s ready to go further on record.

[jamese777]

Apparently OBot, that government officials are just balless in the face of OBama which you like. There’s plenty of evidence to open an investigation against Obama if they choose to.

Your stupid and illogical implications that since one has not happened doesn’t make Obama innocent.
Land was being untruthful and/or being ignorant.

And a “quixotic attempt?” Land is implying Obama is too big to fail and citizens of these United States are unequal in eyes of the law. A corrupt viewpoint for a judge to hold.

The public interest would be served to investigate this administration since at least 100,000,000 million citizens have suspicions that Obama has usurped the presidency.

No evidence exists that Obama was born at Kapi’olani Medical Center for Women and Children.

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I never said that because no one has initated an investigation, that makes Obama innocent. I have no idea whether Obama is innocent or guilty, in the absence of a formal investigation.

What I am saying is that if this is to be taken as a serious issue, why isn’t there at least one judge in this nation or one member of the House who is interested enough in it to seek the requisite court order that could resolve the birth certificate part of the eligibility issue one way or the other? BIRTH CERTIFICATES CAN BE RELEASED UNDER COURT ORDER WITHOUT THE PERMISSION OF THE PERSON NAMED ON THE DOCUMENT.

The “Obama is ineligible movement” has now had thirteen opportunities at the Supreme Court of the United States and not ONE of the nine Justices has asked for a rebuttal brief from Obama in response to a plaintiff’s Petition for a Writ of Certiorari.

What that means in plain English is that whenever any of the Justices is interested in an appeal, that Justice wants to hear the point of view of both sides, so they “request” (which means “order”) the defendant (appellee)to submit a brief in opposition to the appellant’s petition saying “Please Supreme Court, hear my appeal.”
Obama and the Justice Department have submitted ZERO briefs for any of the nine Justices.

The Supreme Court, in its entirety, has no interest in this issue and neither does Congress.

As for me, as I have said many times before on various native born citizen threads, if Obama was to be impeached, tried, convicted and removed, so be it.
If he is completely and totally exonerated, so be it. I would just like resolution to come in the proper way: a grand jury investigation or a congressional investigation.

[Red Steel]

I never said that because no one has initated an investigation, that makes Obama innocent. I have no idea whether Obama is innocent or guilty, in the absence of a formal investigation.

Quit BS'ing FR. Your thousands of posting are to defend Obama.

What I am saying is that if this is to be taken as a serious issue, why isn’t there at least one judge in this nation or one member of the House who is interested enough in it to seek the requisite court order that could resolve the birth certificate part of the eligibility issue one way or the other?

This has been answered about a billion times to you Obot. While you keep posting BS in defense of Obama, which I easily poke holes into your postings.

BIRTH CERTIFICATES CAN BE RELEASED UNDER COURT ORDER WITHOUT THE PERMISSION OF THE PERSON NAMED ON THE DOCUMENT.

Oh Please OBot. If Obama had a real birth certificate that he was born in the US he would release it. you and your fellow OBots argue from a position of absurdity. The rest of the world do not have problems showing their birth certificates only Obama does, which is indescribably stupid and absurd that a sitting pResident in the White House who cannot.

What that means in plain English is that whenever any of the Justices is interested in an appeal, that Justice wants to hear the point of view of both sides, so they “request” (which means “order”) the defendant (appellee)to submit a brief in opposition to the appellant’s petition saying “Please Supreme Court, hear my appeal.” Obama and the Justice Department have submitted ZERO briefs for any of the nine Justices.

In plain English you're a bull %&itter. Quit posting frivolous nonsense.

The Supreme Court, in its entirety, has no interest in this issue and neither does Congress.

They have no interest in upholding the law concerning Obama for various reasons, which has been explained to your BS and lying Dem ass a thousand times.

As for me, as I have said many times before on various native born citizen threads, if Obama was to be impeached, tried, convicted and removed, so be it.

You take a disingenuous position when posters like me point out your BS, but you are here to defend Obama.

I would just like resolution to come in the proper way: a grand jury investigation or a congressional investigation.

No one who knows your posting history believes you OBot.

[bushpilot1]

jamese there is a rule of Vattel..you should follow......

never accept an interpretation that leads to an absurdity

[patlin]

Abercrombie ran up against the same Attorney General legal opinion that former Governor Lingle ran up against with her Republican Attorney General, Mark Bennett.

No, stupid is as stupid does:

According to published reports, Dr. Fukino has admitted that her July 27th statement received the verbal approval of the HI Attorney General, who “o.k.’d it.”

In an attempt to corroborate the contents of Dr. Fukino’s statement and understand better the value of that testimony, I put the following two questions to Nagamine, as a member of the press.

I am seeking some information in response to 2 questions I have. Please understand that your response(s) or non-response will be quoted by our paper.

Q. 1: Does the Director of the Hawaii Department of Health have any statutory duty or authority to define the citizenship status of anyone whose vital record(s) are kept by that department?

Q.2: According to the legal references employed by your office, what is the defition of a “natural-born citizen” of the United States of America?

I put my question to the Deputy Attorney General to avoid putting the Attorney General in a situation of a conflict of interest, if he in fact, did, as Dr. Fukino claims, advise her regarding her July statement.

Nagamine, in response, asserted that any answer to such questions given by her office would represent a conflict of interest for her office. And that is an explicit admission that Dr. Fukino had no statutory authority nor duty to make such a statement, and that the Attorney General’s office will not stand behind Fukino’s claim that Obama is a “natural-born American citizen.” It is such, because if Fukino’s declaration had legal weight of any kind, surely a response to my questions would have corroborated that without such a conflict-of-interest scenario. You only have a conflict if the Fukino claim would not be supported by a Nagamine response.

http://www.thepostemail.com/2010/02/02/hi-attorney-generals-office-refuses-to-corroborate-obamas-hi-birth/