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Full blown interview by Katie on CBS evening news broadcast of one of the agents. Matching Post on the CBSnews website. I thought I was dreaming...
1 posted on 03/03/2011 3:53:03 PM PST by TLI
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To: TLI

As long as Obama is in it will be swept under the rug. Media plan A.


2 posted on 03/03/2011 3:54:32 PM PST by screaminsunshine (34 States)
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To: TLI

sfl


6 posted on 03/03/2011 4:03:51 PM PST by phockthis
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To: TLI

You know, if most ethical people were put in that position they’d call some sort of ethics hotline or something.


7 posted on 03/03/2011 4:04:00 PM PST by coloradan (The US has become a banana republic, except without the bananas - or the republic.)
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To: marktwain; harpseal; TexasCowboy; nunya bidness; AAABEST; Travis McGee; Squantos; wku man; SLB; ...
Well well well... the plot thickens, as they say.

Click the Gadsden flag for pro-gun resources!

8 posted on 03/03/2011 4:10:08 PM PST by Joe Brower (Sheep have three speeds: "graze", "stampede" and "cower".)
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To: TLI

I’ve seen this situation called Project Gunrunner and Project Gunwalker. Which is correct?


9 posted on 03/03/2011 4:16:43 PM PST by abigailsmybaby ("To understan' the livin', you gotta commune wit' da dead." Minerva)
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To: marktwain

Ping


11 posted on 03/03/2011 4:22:26 PM PST by Incorrigible (If I lead, follow me; If I pause, push me; If I retreat, kill me.)
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To: TLI

Paging rep. Issa...


12 posted on 03/03/2011 4:25:38 PM PST by muddler (Diligentia, Vis and Celeritas)
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To: TLI
Phoenix Division Management Team

William D. Newell Special Agent In Charge (SAC)

Jim Needles Assistant Special Agent In Charge (ASAC)

George Gillette Assistant Special Agent In Charge (ASAC)

Nancy F. Cook Director of Industry Operations (DIO)

Thomas G. Mangan Public Information Officer (PIO

That's pretty much the names of the folks the field agents are talking about ~ although there's a suggestion this runs up to headquarters in DC.

I looked over their management structure and these guys don't have the old classic Federal Reserve cities in the mix as Regional Headquarters sites. Insteads there are Divisions and Field Divisions with varying numbers of personnel, and to a degree doing different things (guess crime varies by region).

Names are given for the major divisions but not the field divisions ~ and you can't get the names of the various field agents.

This is pretty typical of any federal police agency ~ and the answer is No, no one wants you to know the guys at the bottom of the totem pole unless you meet one of them.

If you want to know why ATF sometimes seems to engage in willful, arbitrary and capricious conduct in its relations with licensed firearms dealers check out the Borchardt Rifle case.

Notice that ATF uses the sort of document checks found more appropriately in QUALITY AUDITING ~ and that these do not represent any sort of statistically valid result ~ beyond saying "Hey, look, a document error".

This was the same sort of thing the Arizona federal prosecutor was using to bust Campeon and Ramos so famously.

As a practical matter, outside the dream worlds of federal cops, these "errors" constitute correctible or remediable clerical errors of substantially less than criminal conduct.

I'm not sure what's up with these guys, but it looks like someone has imported QC auditing techniques as something useful for police work.

Those techniques ARE NOT useful for prosecuting people.

This sort of nonsense also served to delay investigation into the ANTHRAX attack a good 7 years!

I don't expect improvement in any of this nonsense until we get a Federal Attorney General on duty who has had some serious instruction in the use of statistics to establish probable cause. QC Audits ain't it!

17 posted on 03/03/2011 4:40:53 PM PST by muawiyah (Make America Safe For Americans)
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To: TLI

ATF agents I’ve dealt with are usually good people. Dodson is a hero, in my opinion, for speaking out. I hate to say it, but this may show a good that can come of unionized federal workers: They can blow the whistle and not get fired. Dang! Now I have to go take a shower.


18 posted on 03/03/2011 4:44:50 PM PST by 'smith
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To: TLI

Caught red handed and now backtracking, trying to save face.

First the story is, “people are smuggling guns into Mexico”.

Now the story is, “Oh, we were MONITORING and TRACKING these guns to catch them.”

Yeah. Right. Sure.

Disband the F’ing AFT. The sovereign states don’t need the help. This is item 5381 to demand when the 2012 Republican Senate majority and presidency joins the GOP House majority.


20 posted on 03/03/2011 4:57:25 PM PST by Freedom_Is_Not_Free (Don't confuse Obama's evil for incompetence.)
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To: marktwain

Holy Moly!!!!!!! Look at this!!


27 posted on 03/03/2011 5:28:20 PM PST by MountainWoman
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To: Nachum

ping


29 posted on 03/03/2011 5:33:50 PM PST by Jet Jaguar
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To: TLI

Obama’s Iran - Contra?


32 posted on 03/03/2011 5:51:37 PM PST by representativerepublic (...loose lips, sink ships)
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To: TLI

At the very least Holder and Big Sis should be up on the hill testifying as to what this program is about, who authorized the gun transfers and what kind of accountability is involved with this “Fast and Furious” program. I mean only an idiot liberal would think that giving guns to drug dealers is some kind of a good idea....


41 posted on 03/03/2011 7:38:27 PM PST by Typical_Whitey ("It doesn't matter how smart you are, unless you stop and think".... Thomas Sowell)
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To: TLI

I wonder if they were Love 32s?


42 posted on 03/03/2011 7:41:54 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: TLI

This is interesting.
I suppose the theory is that drug cartels who are at war with each other in Mexico should get all the guns and ammo they want. Makes sense.


43 posted on 03/03/2011 7:45:40 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: TLI

“What did the President know and when did he know it?””

—Senator Howard Baker


46 posted on 03/03/2011 10:36:34 PM PST by Brad from Tennessee (A politician can't give you anything he hasn't first stolen from you.)
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To: Drumbo

Hey bud, you gotta read the whole article provided at the link.

It’ll be a scapegoating campaign for sure with the wrong person hung out to dry - or not enough of the right ones - but at least this case is being dragged out into the light of day.


54 posted on 03/04/2011 10:10:34 AM PST by Titan Magroyne (What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving.)
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To: TLI

Rush is talking up this story on his radio show right now!


55 posted on 03/04/2011 11:23:46 AM PST by Erik Latranyi (Too many conservatives urge retreat when the war of politics doesn't go their way.)
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