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The Decline of U.S. Naval Power
Wall Street Journal Opinion ^ | March 2,2011 | MARK HELPRIN

Posted on 03/02/2011 6:33:31 PM PST by Hojczyk

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1 posted on 03/02/2011 6:33:32 PM PST by Hojczyk
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To: Hojczyk

What could we have built with 800 billion..plus a few jobs..


2 posted on 03/02/2011 6:35:51 PM PST by Hojczyk
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To: Hojczyk

This is not the country I had hope to grow old in


3 posted on 03/02/2011 6:35:51 PM PST by al baby (Hi Mom!!! <sarc>)
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To: Hojczyk

Libs would love to live under Chinese authority.


4 posted on 03/02/2011 6:37:37 PM PST by Dallas59 (President Robert Gibbs 2009-2011)
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To: al baby

You can’t even retire on the beach somewhere in Mexico which would have been a nice dream.


5 posted on 03/02/2011 6:40:00 PM PST by Redcitizen
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To: Hojczyk

I’d say time for some gunboat “diplomacy”... if we had a President worthy of the office...


6 posted on 03/02/2011 6:43:53 PM PST by jeffc (Prayer. It's freedom of speech.)
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7 posted on 03/02/2011 6:46:17 PM PST by Nachum (The complete Obama list at www.nachumlist.com)
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To: Hojczyk
Not much we can do about our ports. They're the depth Nature made them. Even dredging them deeper helps only so much, because eventually you have to dredge a trench all the way out to deep water.

On the matter of the Navy, though, there's no excuse for letting it decay.

8 posted on 03/02/2011 6:51:44 PM PST by JoeFromSidney (New book: RESISTANCE TO TYRANNY. A primer on armed revolt. Available form Amazon.)
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The US Navy is still, far and away the most powerful naval force on earth.

After a long decline, since the end of the 1st Gulf War, and since dropping below 300 combat ships, we are slowly on the rise again.

We are building a new class of Aircraft carrier (1 under construction), a new class of Frigates (the LCS) (3 built and more building), a new class of destroyer (2 building albeit only three will be built which is having us extend the Burke class which are the most capable and largest class on earth), we are building a new class of attack submarines (eight built and two more under construction, we'll build one or two a year for the next many years), a new class of LPD (8 are complete out of 10-12), a new class of large LHA (1 under construction, two to follow).

At the same time, howerver, the Chinese are building new, modern vessels even faster. See:

THE RISING SEA DRAGON IN ASIA

Also see:

US NAVY 21ST CENTURY

WORLD WIDE AIRCRAFT CARRIERS

AEGIS AND AEGIS-LIKE VESSELS OF THE WORLD

9 posted on 03/02/2011 6:52:20 PM PST by Jeff Head (Liberty is not free. Never has been, never will be. (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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While we have the biggest, and most advanced (by FAR) fleet in the world, we are in fact declining.

Even the famous "Progressive" Republican Teddy Roosevelt built the Great White Fleet referenced in this article from a century ago.

The US is first, and foremost, a maritime nation. If we surrender the seas...or are forced out...we will soon cease to exist as an independent nation.

We need 50-60 "Frigate" class warships today in addition to the existing fleet. And NO the LCS is not what I'm referencing...too capable, therefore too expensive. Real Frigates.

We also need another 25 Virginia class subs...and 40-50 of those really neat and small German conventional subs for littoral work.

And NO Carriers and large Amphibs are not an anachronism. They are the heavy lifters of Power Projection.

Twelve Carrier Battle Groups (7-8 deployable at any given time) is stretching things) are not sufficient because we can't get 10 to sea when we need them. Fifteen is the right number.

And the Amphibious Ready Groups? Seven is not NEARLY enough for these amazingly capable platforms. Put 5 of them together with a couple of carriers and you can put a full Marine Expeditionary Division ashore for 30 days without any outside assistance. How many countries in the world can stop THAT? Five or six?

And now the boomers. While the Trident boats are sufficient in number (12 with 3-4 at sea at any given time) they are aging. Still, the most capable and effective/feared Strategic Force in the world...but we have to start building their replacements.

Put all together, we have some catching up to do. Naval procurement is not the biggest portion of the Navy's budget...it's OPERATING EXPENSES.

We could increase the Navy's portion of the $700bil defense budget by $30bil/yr and achieve ALL of the above. Add another $80/bil per year and you have the trained and paid sailors to make it happen.

$100-$120bil/yr ASCERTAINS our standing and security in the world.

10 posted on 03/02/2011 6:58:42 PM PST by Mariner (USS Tarawa, VQ3, USS Benjamin Stoddert, NAVCAMS WestPac, 7th Fleet, Navcommsta Puget Sound)
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To: Jeff Head

It does not matter if you have the most powerful navy when you have a muslim in the white hut, TV networks that support him 100% including Fox with a country of idiots who get brainwashed in HD and a totally infiltrated govt headed towards Weimar Germany.


11 posted on 03/02/2011 6:58:55 PM PST by Frantzie (HD TV - Total Brain-washing now in High Def. 3-D Coming soon)
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To: Hojczyk
Up to 30 ships, the largest ever constructed, each capable of carrying 18,000 containers, will soon come off the ways in South Korea.

Unless you just buy it from other countries, like the Saudis do for now, you can't have a world leading military without industrial infrastructure.

12 posted on 03/02/2011 7:01:05 PM PST by Last Dakotan (Hunting - the ultimate in organic grocery shopping.)
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To: Frantzie

don’t forget 3-D


13 posted on 03/02/2011 7:01:38 PM PST by Hegewisch Dupa
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To: Jeff Head

You are the author of “Dragon’s Fury,” correct?

Damn good information & a lot of good work sir.
Thank you for the informative links.


14 posted on 03/02/2011 7:02:52 PM PST by bill1952 (Choice is an illusion created between those with power - and those without)
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To: Hojczyk

I wonder if they posted this photo with the article with the knowledge that three of the four escorts with the CVN were not US Navy ships? (They are JMSDF.)

15 posted on 03/02/2011 7:07:06 PM PST by GATOR NAVY ("The bigger the government, the smaller the citizen." -Dennis Prager)
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To: Jeff Head

Very impressive work. Thank you!


16 posted on 03/02/2011 7:12:49 PM PST by unkus
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To: Mariner

You forgot to add a Large Gun capacity, as well. There are times and places when air-delivery can’t be done.


17 posted on 03/02/2011 7:16:24 PM PST by tcrlaf (Democrats Outforced America's Jobs for 40 Years. Now The Bill Is Due)
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To: Hojczyk
We have the smallest navy in almost a century, declining in the past 50 years to 286 from 1,000 principal combatants.

But those ships have firepower the previous 1,000 could hardly dream of.

Our present department does not care to deploy the frigate size ships that would be the most use full in anti-pirate ops.

18 posted on 03/02/2011 7:17:33 PM PST by oyez (The difference in genius and stupidity is that genius has limits.)
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To: Frantzie

Pretty much.


19 posted on 03/02/2011 7:20:59 PM PST by ecomcon
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To: Hojczyk

Liberals or their ideals in charge.


20 posted on 03/02/2011 7:36:59 PM PST by Nuc 1.1 (Liberals aren't Patriots. Remember 1789!)
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