You don't need me for this ... Buy yourself a ticket and have a good time.
Posted on 02/28/2011 9:26:48 AM PST by ironwill
COLORADO SPRINGS - The security guard who saved lives by shooting a gunman at the New Life Church in Colorado Springs has apparently been asked to leave.
In December 2007, Jeanne Assam - working as a volunteer security guard - shot Matthew Murray after he killed two people outside the church. He killed two others the night before at a training center for Christian missionaries in Arvada.
Assam was honored for her quick action. Murray likely would’ve killed more people at the church if she had not shot him repeatedly then pinned him down.
Assam says last year when she told church leaders she is gay, she was asked to leave the church.
New Life pastor Brady Boyd told the Colorado Springs Gazette the report is untrue. "We would never tell someone to leave because of their sexual orientation," Boyd says. "Jeanne will always be a hero at New Life."
Assam gave a speech on Saturday, February 19 at the Pride Center’s annual masquerade ball, a fundraiser for the gay community in Colorado Springs.
The Gazette reports she spoke of the pressures society places on gay people.
New Life Church was in the national spotlight in 2006 when Pastor Ted Haggard left after admitting he had had a relationship with a male escort in Denver.
It's lucky that I know a lot of good, honest, intelligent New Lifers. Because if I only had you to go by.....
Well, the Biblical reference was provided, and you got all pissy about it. Not my problem.
Excellent.
Meaning?
Meaning that I’m glad that you contribute to your church. I think that’s wonderful.
You really don't understand logic, do you?
I'm not trying to win an argument by calling you names -- I already won the argument by quoting your own words back to you.
What I'm doing now, is telling you about the impression you're making on me. It's not a favorable one: you seem shallow, defensive, and not a little dishonest.
And here's why that matters: you've represented yourself as a member of New Life Church, and that invites others to judge New Life Church on the basis of your behavior.
This is a simple issue, fatez: even though you refused to answer the point-blank question, we all know that you think she's lying. If you're willing to squirm and prevaricate on something that simple .... what am I to think of the church you've undertaken to defend?
Luckily, I know enough other New Lifers to conclude that you're not typical of the larger group. But you should be more careful, and think before you type.
I understand that you’re simply assuming without evidence that she’s lying. I think my “Biblical reference” is just fine, where your stance is concerned.
You asked me for proof, I provided it
You attack me and then say I am throwing rocks at others
You twist words and then you say your dizzy,
You say I misbehaved, but your the one using condescension.
You're quick to tell me what my rules are to play by but don't practice them yourself.
You never refuted the real point and call it logic. Tell me, how is not refuting the answer that she perjured herself logical? Tell me how you twisting words and ideas is logical?
One last time, you asked a question, I answered it factually, you cannot counter it and have not refuted my points. You restorted to name calling. Yeah you won...
It is amazing... He asked for proof that she is liar, I provdid it, he then said I was judging her. He lives in a strange world.
Whoa, now you've changed it entirely. I never said it was a sin or even a bad thing to tithe - I said giving is up to individual conscience. Which covers everything you brought up in your post. I've never hinted that if someone wants to tithe as a personal matter that I would discourage him in any way. If someone was quite wealthy then 10% may not be enough. If someone is very poor 10% may well be impossible. This issue arose when someone said it's a sin not to tithe. That was wrong as I've pointed out by Paul's very words on the matter.
"The brother who is compelled to submit to the OT requirement of tithing is helping spread the gospel in the same manner that Timothy was convinced to submit to the OT requirement of circumcision to help spread the gospel."
I see no basis for this statement. Compelling someone to tithe would be wrong - by Paul's own words God wants happy givers. If Timothy choose to be circumcised in an effort to "be all things to all people" so as to assist Paul in evangelizing Jews in first century Asia Minor that was his choice but he had no obligation to do so and it would not have been a sin had he chosen not to do so.
You don't need me for this ... Buy yourself a ticket and have a good time.
Thanx dad...
I never said you said it was a sin or a bad thing to tithe. Where do you get that?
"I said giving is up to individual conscience. Which covers everything you brought up in your post. I've never hinted that if someone wants to tithe as a personal matter that I would discourage him in any way. If someone was quite wealthy then 10% may not be enough. If someone is very poor 10% may well be impossible."
In post # 57 you said,
"There is nothing in the passage that even hints at an obligation to tithe among Christians, rather, we shouldn’t lie to other Christians. Thus, I am still waiting, show me anywhere in the NT where Christians have an obligation to tithe. (Don’t waste too much time looking because it’s not there.)"
So why did you even mention lying or that you were 'still waiting' for a NT reference for an obligation to tithe if you weren't quarreling w/ him?
"That was wrong as I've pointed out by Paul's very words on the matter. This issue arose when someone said it's a sin not to tithe."
Are you saying that one can't meet an obligation they feel compelled to meet cheerfully? If a brother believes that not tithing is a sin, then it is a sin for him.
"I see no basis for this statement. Compelling someone to tithe would be wrong - by Paul's own words God wants happy givers. If Timothy choose to be circumcised in an effort to "be all things to all people" so as to assist Paul in evangelizing Jews in first century Asia Minor that was his choice but he had no obligation to do so and it would not have been a sin had he chosen not to do so."
I said the man felt compelled to tithe and it was sin for him not to. I assumed that the implication that the Holy Spirit was the one who compelled him was obvious, just as when Timothy 'chose' to be circumcised. You seem to be able to assume that Timothy made his choice freely and in the Spirit but that the tither cannot do the same.
If a brother believes that not tithing is a sin, then it is a sin for him. If you think you are the stronger Christian and do not need to tithe, then why do you quarrel with what you consider the weaker Christian over disputable matters?
I'm not quarreling with anyone's decision to tithe no matter what their compulsion to do so. I'm quarrelling with an assertion that it's a sin NOT to tithe for those who do not feel so led by the Holy Spirit. That this is a false statement of doctrine is not a disputible matter. It was the original poster who asserted the false imperative and pointing it out is not quarrelling with him over his personal choice to do so if he desires.
Yes, I thought you were.
"That this is a false statement of doctrine is not a disputible matter."
So the Scripture against quarreling with what a weaker brother doesn't apply if you define it as a false statement of doctrine rather than a disputable matter? Isn't that exactly what Paul was dealing with in Rom 14?
"It was the original poster who asserted the false imperative and pointing it out is not quarrelling with him over his personal choice to do so if he desires."
You said, "...we shouldn’t lie to other Christians" and "I am still waiting...". That looks like more than just 'pointing it out'.
It is clear that it is only your opinion that it was a false imperative. It appears that your position rests entirely on your understanding of Christ's reference to fulfilling the law. Your brother has a different understanding of Christ's reference to fulfilling the law, that's all.
Now if he had said you must tithe to be saved, then you would have a valid doctrinal point.
But he didn't and you don't.
Assam says last year when she told church leaders she is gay, she was asked to leave the church.New Life pastor Brady Boyd told the Colorado Springs Gazette the report is untrue. "We would never tell someone to leave because of their sexual orientation," Boyd says. "Jeanne will always be a hero at New Life."
She is a hero.
Every report I've seen is a copy of this one. This does not tell us enough about what the church actually did to make an informed judgment about it.
Yea, he talked about it like it was going to be some kind of pyramid scheme/lottery church where everyone contributing was going to get to control where part of the money was going each week -or keep it themselves.
Very weird, I couldn’t fing the article on the internet.
So many are so quick to judge her. There are two sides to every story.
I believe that God places a person in such a situation for a reason. Surely God could have chosen another person to be the one to stop the gunman if He so willed it, but for some reason she was the one chosen to do it.
For what she did in stopping that gunman who was armed with an AR-15 rifle when she herself was armed with a 9mm pistol from killing a lot more people, Jeanne Assam will always be one of my heros.
She is and remains one of my inspirations for going into law enforcement myself. Straight or Lesbian, it matters not to me.
For what it's worth, I did a Google seach for Jeanne Assam and found her web site here:
And down at the bottom is a link to her blog here:
http://jeanneassam.wordpress.com/
Her latest blog post deals with this latest news telling her version of the story in her own words.
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