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FL Teachers, police officers and firefighters upset about Scott's pension plans
St. Petersburg Times ^ | February 8, 2011 | Tom Marshall, David DeCamp and Craig Pittman

Posted on 02/08/2011 3:23:16 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife

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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Note to the cops, firefighters, and teachers who are whining about cuts, I have a link for you....

2011 Military Pay Table

Read it and weep. Then shut the heck up.

21 posted on 02/08/2011 5:13:24 AM PST by mewzilla (Hey, Schumer, your Lockerbie report left quite a bit out.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

St. Petersburg police shooter Hydra Lacy Jr. spent years in prison. Court records show two prison terms, starting when he was 17, and arrests for grand theft, aggravated battery, rape, kidnapping, attempted murder and resisting arrest with violence.

In a story in the St. Petersburg Times Sunday about Lacy’s funeral, former police officer Davis explained he attended the cop killer Lacy’s funeral to support the Lacy family, which includes Hydra’s brother and boxing standout Jeff Lacy — who himself did not attend.

What is funny is that his superiors are covering for him by refusing to comment on why this former cop is supporting a rapist, kidnapper, cop killer.

His immediate boss, City Administrator Tish Elston, didn’t return a phone call and e-mail seeking comment about his possible absence or whether she asked him not to attend.

Mayor Bill Foster didn’t return repeated calls seeking comment.


22 posted on 02/08/2011 5:22:34 AM PST by WaterBoard ("PBR Street Gang this is Almighty, over..")
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23 posted on 02/08/2011 5:26:59 AM PST by Red Badger (Whenever these vermin call you an 'idiot', you can be sure that you are doing something right.)
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To: mewzilla
Apples and oranges, IMHO.

I'm a cop and a soldier. When I'm active duty, I make MORE than I do when I'm a cop. The Army pays a lot of little extras besides salary that add up.

Cost of living in the military is a lot less than civilian life. At least in my experience, but I'm in NYC so it's a tad skewed. I know it's anecdotal, but military jobs have sweet pension and benefits that certainly rival police/fire jobs. No one complains about the military, though.

24 posted on 02/08/2011 5:27:02 AM PST by thefactor (yes, as a matter of fact, i DID only read the excerpt)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Allen said it would be fair for Scott to ask teachers to contribute only if they were being paid a salary comparable to what they could earn in the private sector.

Maybe the teachers should test the private sector and find out what they could really earn there (and how the benefit package would compare to what they have now).

25 posted on 02/08/2011 5:29:35 AM PST by Will88
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To: WaterBoard
And now you know why this former cop went to a rapist, kidnapper, felon, cop killer's funeral instead of the funeral of the cop that was killed.

Among those in attendance were senior city administrator Goliath Davis, Louis Muhammad of Mosque 95 Nation of Islam and Omali Yeshitela, founder of the International People's Democratic Uhuru Movement.



Goliath J. Davis, III

http://www.stpete.org/management_team/goliath_davis_iii.asp
26 posted on 02/08/2011 5:29:38 AM PST by WaterBoard ("PBR Street Gang this is Almighty, over..")
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To: thefactor
When I'm active duty, I make MORE than I do when I'm a cop. The Army pays a lot of little extras besides salary that add up.

I'm glad for that :)

As for the rest, I'd don't think any of our public servants should make more than our military personnel. And if our "public servants" didn't like it, I'd tell them to find a job in the private sector.

27 posted on 02/08/2011 5:37:34 AM PST by mewzilla (Hey, Schumer, your Lockerbie report left quite a bit out.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

They may be FINALLY asked to contribute 5% but, let me guess, their plans are still defined benefit, right? Guaranteed outcome and the taxpayer expected to make up any shortfall?

Yet still they complain?


28 posted on 02/08/2011 5:41:04 AM PST by Let's Roll (Save the world's best healthcare - REPEAL, DEFUND Obamacare!)
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To: Let's Roll
They may be FINALLY asked to contribute 5% but, let me guess, their plans are still defined benefit, right? Guaranteed outcome and the taxpayer expected to make up any shortfall? Yet still they complain?

Ditto. I am so sick of this. This defined benefit crap for public workers is what's killing the budget here in the People's Republic of Illinois.

29 posted on 02/08/2011 5:47:37 AM PST by Marathoner (Repeal the 17th amendment, and the 16th for good measure.)
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To: mewzilla

Aren’t military personnel to be considered government employees? It just seems to me that soldiers escape any criticism whatsoever when in fact they enjoy similar, if not more, benefits that people begrudge cops/firemen/teachers.


30 posted on 02/08/2011 5:49:08 AM PST by thefactor (yes, as a matter of fact, i DID only read the excerpt)
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To: Let's Roll

Florida public schools are costing about $15,000 per student. That includes teachers, adminstrators, buses, buildings, and other costs.

Florida charter schools cost about $10,000 to $11,000 per student.

The Florida public school system is bloated in many ways and the taxpayers are finally awakening.


31 posted on 02/08/2011 5:58:37 AM PST by Presbyterian Reporter
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To: thefactor
....when in fact they enjoy similar, if not more, benefits that people begrudge cops/firemen/teachers.

Really? Our servicemen and women gets deals this good...

Retiring S.F. police brass cash in on way out

Early retirement benefit for South Burlington school principals raises questions

Houston firefighters' pensions under scrutiny

32 posted on 02/08/2011 5:59:20 AM PST by mewzilla (Hey, Schumer, your Lockerbie report left quite a bit out.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Allen said it would be fair for Scott to ask teachers to contribute only if they were being paid a salary comparable to what they could earn in the private sector.

They picked this person as a representative and she lobs a soft ball like that? Good grief!

Oh well, I'll take it.

If public employees should be paid a salary comparable to their worth in the private sector then we should cut their salaries by 20-50% right off the top.

33 posted on 02/08/2011 6:06:09 AM PST by Carry_Okie (The environment is too complex and too important to manage by central planning.)
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To: thefactor

The next time you step on a landmine as a teacher, let us know.


34 posted on 02/08/2011 6:08:25 AM PST by WaterBoard ("PBR Street Gang this is Almighty, over..")
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Megan Allen teaches special-needs students...Now Gov. Rick Scott wants to take some of her pay away...

Editorial masquerading as news.

35 posted on 02/08/2011 6:21:31 AM PST by TankerKC (Confucius say, he who rushes to vote on bill before reading, might forget severability clause.)
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To: TankerKC

“””Editorial masquerading as news.”””

I like that. I trust you will not mind if I use it from time to time.


36 posted on 02/08/2011 6:31:56 AM PST by Presbyterian Reporter
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To: Presbyterian Reporter
I trust you will not mind if I use it from time to time.

Please do.

37 posted on 02/08/2011 6:36:43 AM PST by TankerKC (Confucius say, he who rushes to vote on bill before reading, might forget severability clause.)
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To: Florida native

“As for DROP...that should end...and those who retire under it, should never be allowed to return to former or newly created positions.”

I agree completely.


38 posted on 02/08/2011 6:55:15 AM PST by Old Grumpy
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To: WaterBoard

Next time I run towards gunfire as a cop, I’ll let you know.


39 posted on 02/08/2011 7:00:57 AM PST by thefactor (yes, as a matter of fact, i DID only read the excerpt)
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To: mewzilla
Well of course there are instances of abuse in any situation. The examples you gave are the military equivalent of probably a one-star General. They retire with some sweet deals and then slip right into another high-paying gov't job or as a consultant for a defense contractor.

The differences in these situations is that cops/firefighters are payed by local gov'ts, and local gov'ts can run out of money. The military is payed by the federal gov't, and as we have seen all the feds have to do is print more money.

40 posted on 02/08/2011 7:06:00 AM PST by thefactor (yes, as a matter of fact, i DID only read the excerpt)
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