Live Thread: Constitutionality of Health Care Law [Watch live deliberation on CSPAN2]

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[NoGrayZone]

I didn't see a live thread, so I thought I'd start one. Anyone else watching?

[NoGrayZone]

I noticed Frankens time was much less than everyone else. Gee, I wonder why. He has NO freakin clue!

Just as our fake POTUS.

[NoGrayZone]

"It also tells me that he nervous as hell that the Supremes are going to throw this whole steaming pile, right out the back door."

From your lips to Gods ear.

[aloppoct]

Thanks for starting this thread. I would normally be doing some compuuter work, but this appears to be far more important. I am sure that the LSM will not do a very good job of covering this later today. I would certainly hope later to, at least, see critical reviews of this by legal Freepers.

[NoGrayZone]

I CANNOT TOLERATE FRIED!! Just wanted to scream that out loud!

Go Carvin.=)

[aloppoct]

I feel like Sarah, inventing new words, I kind of like ‘compuuter’ work, quite appropriate to my cad work on this southern usa project.

[NoGrayZone]

No problem. I didn’t see a live thread and I think it’s important to watch the constitutionality arguments of this unconstitutional law.

I also read an article, I believe from DeMint, that all R senators are on board to repeal this monster from hell.

[OldDeckHand]

Thinking more about Franken, why would a non-lawyer seek (and be granted) a position on the Senate Committee that most fundamentally demands the greatest understand of law itself?

He’s all but directly admitting he doesn’t possess the subject-matter knowledge to understand the provenance of his committee assignment.

[NoGrayZone]

I think he was put there just as a “lib rep”. He was given NO time to ask questions, or debate because he can’t.

Truly pathetic!

[NoGrayZone]

When I look back on his stupid questioning, I realized even more he has NO idea what the heck he’s talking about.

[OldDeckHand]

Barnett is REALLY knocking it out of the park.

[NoGrayZone]

We’ve got 2 on the panel who know what the heck they’re talking about.

Thank goodness for that. I can’t wait until the forced vote. Hopefully, it comes after this.

Okay it’s over. Now when is the vote?

[NoGrayZone]

I just heard something about 2pm, although I’m not sure what they were talking about.

Okay, they just said between 5-6pm today.

[The Pack Knight]

I almost feel embarrassed for Franken when I see him in committee, until I realize that he is incapable of embarrassment.

I wonder if the people of Minnesota are wishing the 17th Amendment allowed recall elections as the Progressives originally wanted.

[OldDeckHand]

"I wonder if the people of Minnesota are wishing the 17th Amendment allowed recall elections as the Progressives originally wanted."

Are you saying this guy....

..knows no embarrassment? What on earth do you base that on?

As for the "people of MN", keep in mind they also elected Klobucher, who clearly is not the sharpest knife in the drawer. I'm not sure they'd be keen to recall either one of the good Senators, given their recent electoral history.

[OldDeckHand]

By the way, did you catch Mike Lee during this hearing? It’s the first time I’ve had the opportunity to see him work. He’s an impressive young man. Big future for that guy.

[The Pack Knight]

I loved it. He's exactly the kind of new blood we needed in the Senate. He absolutely ate Walter Dellinger alive. I almost felt sorry for Dellinger since I suspect that he was aware from the beginning of the intellectual bankruptcy of his legal position.

I laughed when Dellinger tried to distinguish the health care mandate from Lee's hypothetical law requiring four meals a day of green vegetables by saying that deciding what you eat is a "private, non-economic decision", even though his side keeps cited Wickard v. Filburn, which holds that deciding what your chickens eat is an economic choice that can be regulated by Congress.

Speaking of which, are you amused as I am by how much ObamaCare's defenders are holding up Wickard as the incontrovertible authority on point? I can't think of a lawyer or law student, liberal or conservative, who wasn't horrified when reading that decision in their 1L Constitutional Law class.

[OldDeckHand]

"I almost felt sorry for Dellinger since I suspect that he was aware from the beginning of the intellectual bankruptcy of his legal position."

I thought the exact same thing. His automobile insurance analogy was also specious. First, he failed to acknowledge that the government isn't compelling everyone buy a vehicle, and then operate it on the public roads. And, he's also ignoring the fact that (most) every state that does mandate liability insurance, also provides an opt-out clause - usually satisfied with the driver posting some kind of collateral bond instead of insurance. No such option applies to health care. Even if you have the financial wherewithal of Bill Gates, where no medical treatment would beyond your ability to pay cash, you still would be compelled to purchase insurance, under Obamacare.

"Speaking of which, are you amused as I am by how much ObamaCare's defenders are holding up Wickard as the incontrovertible authority on point? "

Stunned, actually. I'm surprised that no one asked a grain hypothetical - if the government can mandate that people buy health insurance to ostensibly reduce the overall cost of health care (and use Wickard as supporting precedent), then using that same rationale could the government not also mandate that everyone grow corn to reduce the overall cost of food? Is sustenance (and its relative cost) any less critical to basic human health than is a trip to the podiatrist, or dentist?

[SeeSac]

Just because it is not constitutional for the federal gov’t doesn’t automatically make it unconstitutional for the state government.

[NoGrayZone]

Thanks again! =)

[NoGrayZone]

Vitter was just up telling why barrycare needs to be repealed.