Posted on 01/30/2011 4:01:07 PM PST by Libloather
State lawmakers want Obama’s birth records
By Howard Fischer
Capitol Media Services
Sat, 01/29/2011 - 00:34
PHOENIX — More than three dozen Republican legislators want a plan to require Barack Obama to produce an original birth certificate for Arizona officials if he intends to seek re-election.
HB 2544 would forbid the secretary of state from putting a presidential candidate’s name on the ballot unless certain documents are first provided. These include a sworn statements outlining where the candidate has lived for the last 14 years, that the candidate does not hold dual citizenship and that the person’s allegiance “is solely to the United States of America.”
But what worries Ken Bennett, the current secretary of state, is that he also would have to be furnished “an original long form birth certificate that includes the date and place of birth, the names of the hospital and the attending physician and signatures of the witnesses in attendance.” Without that, he said, the measure would bar him from including the candidate’s name on the ballot.
“I don’t know that’s on MY birth certificate, for goodness sakes” said Bennett, who was born in Tucson.
Potentially more problematic, he said, is that each state has its own system of recording births. And Bennett, who is a Republican like all of the measure’s 41 sponsors, is not sure that its even possible to get an “original” birth certificate.
For example, he said, people seeking birth certificates from many states, often for passports or other documentation, are instead furnished with a “certificate of live birth.” That usually takes the form of a state official certifying, under oath, that there are documents on file proving a specific person was born on a specified date.
That’s not all, Bennett said, pointing to the requirement for the birth certificate to have the names of the attending physician and the signatures of witnesses.
“If you were delivered at home with a midwife, does that mean you are no longer qualified to be the president of the United States?” he asked. “If there aren’t any signatures of witnesses in attendance, you’re no longer qualified?”
And what, exactly, is a “long form birth certificate,” he asked.
“Is that a standard term of art that means the same thing in all 50 states?” Bennett continued. “And is it even available in all 50 states?”
Officially speaking, the legislation crafted by Rep. Judy Burges, R-Skull Valley, does not mention Obama. And Burges, who first sponsored a slightly different version of the measure last year, said it’s not necessarily about Obama, though she admitted she doubts he was born in Hawaii as he claims, or that he can show he is a U.S. citizen.
“With what’s happening throughout the world, we need to make sure that our candidates are certifiable,” she told Capitol Media Services when she introduced the first measure.
Burges managed to get the measure through the House last year. The bill died in the Senate. That requirement for the “long form original,” appears designed with Obama in mind.
Officials in Hawaii released a short-form version of the birth certificate when the issue first arose before the 2008 election. When that failed to satisfy critics, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, the state’s health director, issued a statement saying he has “seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawaii State Department of Health verifying Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawaii and is a natural-born American citizen.”
Bennett seems satisfied. “I think he was born in Hawaii,” he said. “I personally believe he is a U.S. citizen.”
Others sponsors of the legislation, though, apparently have their doubts.
Rep. Carl Seel, R-Phoenix, told KPNX this week he believes Obama — and all presidential candidates — should provide proof of their citizenship. Asked specifically if he believes Obama is a citizen, Seel responded, “I have questions about that.”
Bennett, acknowledging all the controversy, said he is sympathetic to the goal. “I think we need a legitimate and verifiable process for candidates to demonstrate that they meet the qualifications,” he said.
“In the case of the president’s office … the best place is at the federal level so that each state is not doing its own, different thing,” Bennett continued. “But it seems unfortunately obvious that they’ve not sufficiently implemented such a process at the federal level or we wouldn’t be having these questions.”
He added, though, that no process might be enough “in the minds of some people.”
Nope, but you CAN renounce if for yourself, like gallavanting around the world on a foreign passport after the age of majority and/or registering at schools as a foreign student. This type of thing just might qualify, at least in the minds of the electorate, as an example of someone who, if he ever had citizenship in the first place, certainly renounced it. Whatever. If his parents are those he claims, then he’s not eligible in any case, because he is not a “natural born” US citizen. Possibly a “born” US citizen, but NOT a “natural born” US citizen. The only way for anyone to know is to KNOW the exact facts concerning his birth. He HIDES them. Why? Perhaps because instead of proving eligibility they will disprove it.
That book, which went on to become a number one bestseller worldwide, details his father’s birth and life in Kenya and Obama’s childhood in Indonesia. From 1995 onward, there was no attempt to hide his past, he wrote about it and had it published.
NOT true. Janice Okubo specifically stated, later in that same article that you linked, that she cannot say WHAT that digital image represents.
“Still, she acknowledges: ‘I don’t know that it’s possible for us to even say beyond a doubt what the IMAGE ON THE SITE represents.’”
Leaving out that qualification by Okubo is what’s known as a lie of omission.
The HDOH specifically and always have avoided saying that the photoshopped DIGITAL IMAGE of what FactCheck BLOG, a partisan blog, purports to be a photograph of a 3-D document that their representatives photographed in Chicago in March, 2008, is AUTHENTIC.
Neither did the HDOH EVER authenticate the information that’s on that digital image, which is NOT evidentiary proof of anything. A digital image posted on a website is not and NEVER CAN BE a “valid Hawaii State Birth Certificate”. It’s an impossibility. A digital image on the Internet CANNOT BE a three-dimensional, certified, embossed, authenticated paper document. A digital image is a bunch of magnetic bits; it’s not anything that ANY government entity or even private entity would EVER accept as proof of anything.
I know it; astute freepers know it; Obama knows it; Janice Okubo knows it; Fukino knows it; the world knows it; and jamese777 knows it, too.
The HDOH NEVER said, EVER, that they produced the supposed underlying paper COLB for the Obama campaign in June 2007.
btw, as I’m sure you know, Politifact is a sister organization of and as partisan as FactCheck blog.
No comment.
Wait! Changed my mind. Comment: Why do 5 of 7 look like men? (That’s 5 of 7, not Seven of Nine. That was Obama’s opponent’s wife.)
jamese777: In all your wisdom, please explain to us how in the world anyone can “e-mail” a “hard copy”?
Politifact e-mailed to Okubo the digital image that was released by the Obama campaign and posted on the Internet. We know this because in the same conversation, Okubo says they (the campaign) SCANNED it. So Okubo was looking at, comparing to, and speaking about a digital image.
It’s IMPOSSIBLE to e-mail a three-dimensional object. That is, unless there’s a Star-Trek-like transporter in St. Petersburg.
jamese777: In all your wisdom, please explain to us how in the world anyone can “e-mail” a “hard copy”?
Politifact e-mailed to Okubo the digital image that was released by the Obama campaign and posted on the Internet. We know this because in the same conversation, Okubo says they (the campaign) SCANNED it. So Okubo was looking at, comparing to, and speaking about a digital image.
It’s IMPOSSIBLE to e-mail a three-dimensional object. That is, unless there’s a Star-Trek-like transporter in St. Petersburg.
I think you’re forgetting that experts who analyzed the writing say that it was ghostwritten by, in all probability, William Ayers. In any case, the book itself clearly states that it’s mythological. Composite characters. Created/recreated conversations. A novelization of a mythological past.
In 1995, he was embarking on a political career, after going to Columbia to learn “how to get power.” In 1995, he was friends with William Ayers, who lived in the same neighborhood in Chicago. Obama’s wife Michelle worked with Ayers’s wife and she admitted that Ayers “helped” Obama write the book. Obama dumped his “research” and all of his notes on Ayers, who was holding impromptu writing lessons in his house. The Obamas had already spent months in Bali, where Barack was trying to finish the book but couldn’t because he had writer’s cramp, apparently (or no talent). He had to meet the publisher’s deadline, which is why he needed help. Obama was supposed to write an academic book, but instead chose to “write” about his favorite subject—himself.
But the book is ADMITTEDLY FICTION. It’s a habit in his “family.” His “brother” Mark wrote TWO fictionalized biographies of himself. His “sister” Auma is in the process of writing yet another fictionalized biography, about herself. They don’t write TRUTH. They write myths about themselves. The BIG LIE.
Why might someone write a fictionalized account of his life, putting a lot of emphasis on the “fact” that he’s the son of a “white girl from Kansas” and an “African” exchange student from Kenya? Perhaps because he’s not?
What might have been important to help him get that first elected office? An “African-American” provenance?
What if he really is Lolo’s son? Or the son of a Hawaiian? He might look African American, but still not BE African American. Yet in Chicago, for that first elected office, wouldn’t it have been far better for him to be African American?
NOT true. Janice Okubo specifically stated, later in that same article that you linked, that she cannot say WHAT that digital image represents.
“Still, she acknowledges: ‘I don’t know that it’s possible for us to even say beyond a doubt what the IMAGE ON THE SITE represents.’”
Leaving out that qualification by Okubo is what’s known as a lie of omission.
The HDOH specifically and always have avoided saying that the photoshopped DIGITAL IMAGE of what FactCheck BLOG, a partisan blog, purports to be a photograph of a 3-D document that their representatives photographed in Chicago in March, 2008, is AUTHENTIC.
Neither did the HDOH EVER authenticate the information that’s on that digital image, which is NOT evidentiary proof of anything. A digital image posted on a website is not and NEVER CAN BE a “valid Hawaii State Birth Certificate”. It’s an impossibility. A digital image on the Internet CANNOT BE a three-dimensional, certified, embossed, authenticated paper document. A digital image is a bunch of magnetic bits; it’s not anything that ANY government entity or even private entity would EVER accept as proof of anything.
I know it; astute freepers know it; Obama knows it; Janice Okubo knows it; Fukino knows it; the world knows it; and jamese777 knows it, too.
The HDOH NEVER said, EVER, that they produced the supposed underlying paper COLB for the Obama campaign in June 2007.
btw, as I’m sure you know, Politifact is a sister organization of and as partisan as FactCheck blog.
Since the former Governor of Hawaii and the former Director of Health for Hawaii have confirmed that Obama was born in Hawaii and since the information on a COLB comes from the original long form, this point seems rather moot.
“The state of Hawaii has said that the president was born there. That’s good enough for me.”—John Boehner, Speaker of the House.
Here’s a link to the testimony of Dr. Chiyome Fukino before the Hawaii Senate’s Committee on the Judiciary and Government Operations. Please note her
statement: “...despite the fact that the President posted a copy of the certificate on his former campaign website.”
http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/session2010/Testimony/SB2937_TESTIMONY_JGO_02-23-10_LATE.pdf
And here’s a link to another 2009 interview with Janice Okubo, Director of Communications for the Hawaii Department of Health. Please note her statement that the president’s posted copy of his COLB should have ended the conspiracy theorists.
“It’s crazy,” said Janice Okubo, director of communications for the Hawaii Department of Health. “I don’t think anything is ever going to satisfy them.”
Okubo, who said that she gets weekly questions from Obama ‘Birthers’ that are “more like threats,” explained that the certificate of live birth reproduced by Obama’s campaign should have debunked the conspiracy theories. “If you were born in Bali, for example,” Okubo explained, “you could get a certificate from the state of Hawaii saying you were born in Bali. You could not get a certificate saying you were born in Honolulu. The state has to verify a fact like that for it to appear on the certificate. But it’s become very clear that it doesn’t matter what I say. The people who are questioning this bring up all these implausible scenarios. What if the physician lied? What if the state lied? It’s just become an urban legend at this point.”
http://washingtonindependent.com/51489/birther-movement-picks-up-steam
I’m certain that if there were ever to be a deposition taken or sworn testimony in a court of law or testimony under oath before a congressional committee, Dr. Fukino, Janice Okubo, former Governor Lingle and state Registrar Dr. Onaka could speak directly to the Obama COLB image and its relationship to the hard copy in their files.
Not that difficult, Greg. The youngest. IMHO.
You have reached new heights of ridiculousness now. Do you REALLY expect the HDOH to state that the online digital image is invalid, forged, or inauthentic? Why would they say that? For one thing, they’re partisans. For another thing, the entire state depends upon largesse from the Federal Govt., which Obama controls. As if that’s not enough, they would bring down the wrath of ObamaKhan on their heads. Why would they do that when they support him? Get real. What’s important is that they WILL NOT vouch for it, in any way, shape, or form. Now some Democrats in the Hawaiian legislature are trying to do an end run around the issue, hoping that if they can send out “SOMETHING” that says merely that he was born in Hawaii, that somehow that will keep him from having to produce a long-form birth certificate to get on the 2012 ballot and especially so that they will not be asked by a court or any election supervisor TO AUTHENTICATE that online COLB. If Obama should present a COLB that looks like the online image, then the elections officials can ask Hawaii to VERIFY every important piece of information on it. They don’t want to be in the position of having to say something’s not true and for sure they don’t want to be put into the position of having to produce and certify a NEW COLB for him. Because you can bet your sweet bippy that it won’t MATCH the online COLB, thus proving him the fraud that too many of us already suspect that he is.
You can quote Janice Okubo until the cows come home, but she NEVER authenticated that online image NOR did she attest in any way that the so-called facts on it are true. The bottom line is this:
IF OBAMA WOULD GIVE HIS CONSENT, THE VITAL RECORDS ON FILE IN HAWAII CAN AND WOULD BE RELEASED.
WHY WON’T HE GIVE HIS CONSENT TO RELEASE HIS BIRTH CERTIFICATE OR WHATEVER PASSES IN HAWAII FOR A BIRTH CERTIFICATE?
WHY, INSTEAD, DOES HE SPEND MILLIONS FIGHTING THE PRODUCTION OF THE PROOF AND WHY DID HE IMPRISON LTC LAKIN?
Demanding an "original" with physician and whitness is really stupid. It betrays a complete ignorance of both the state certification process, as well as the source of a certified document's evidenciary value.
To mess with your head.
You have reached new heights of ridiculousness now. Do you REALLY expect the HDOH to state that the online digital image is invalid, forged, or inauthentic? Why would they say that? For one thing, they’re partisans. For another thing, the entire state depends upon largesse from the Federal Govt., which Obama controls. As if that’s not enough, they would bring down the wrath of ObamaKhan on their heads. Why would they do that when they support him? Get real. What’s important is that they WILL NOT vouch for it, in any way, shape, or form. Now some Democrats in the Hawaiian legislature are trying to do an end run around the issue, hoping that if they can send out “SOMETHING” that says merely that he was born in Hawaii, that somehow that will keep him from having to produce a long-form birth certificate to get on the 2012 ballot and especially so that they will not be asked by a court or any election supervisor TO AUTHENTICATE that online COLB. If Obama should present a COLB that looks like the online image, then the elections officials can ask Hawaii to VERIFY every important piece of information on it. They don’t want to be in the position of having to say something’s not true and for sure they don’t want to be put into the position of having to produce and certify a NEW COLB for him. Because you can bet your sweet bippy that it won’t MATCH the online COLB, thus proving him the fraud that too many of us already suspect that he is.
You can quote Janice Okubo until the cows come home, but she NEVER authenticated that online image NOR did she attest in any way that the so-called facts on it are true. The bottom line is this:
IF OBAMA WOULD GIVE HIS CONSENT, THE VITAL RECORDS ON FILE IN HAWAII CAN AND WOULD BE RELEASED.
WHY WON’T HE GIVE HIS CONSENT TO RELEASE HIS BIRTH CERTIFICATE OR WHATEVER PASSES IN HAWAII FOR A BIRTH CERTIFICATE?
WHY, INSTEAD, DOES HE SPEND MILLIONS FIGHTING THE PRODUCTION OF THE PROOF AND WHY DID HE IMPRISON LTC LAKIN?
There is no need to authenticate an online scanned image when the state of Hawaii, under the previous administration verified the original birth records.
With only the online scanned image, he was able to get 69.4 million votes and 363 Electoral votes.
I plead guilty to being a Gnome supporter. I have been a Linux OS user for over 10 years and Gnome is one of the GUI formats there. I use Gnome compliant XFCE instead as a primary GUI.
All else you say is a waste of time. Mine and yours.
Obozo is Constitutionally unqualified to be POTUS.
All 3 Branches of Government know he is Constitutionally unqualified.
Some members in both parties are complicit in covering the fact that he is a total Fraud.
Bought and Paid For Congressmen and Senators. Some are gone as of November election, many more to come....
Here’s the Saul Alinsky quote that explains Obama’s birth certificate strategy:
“The enemy properly goaded and guided in his reaction will be your major strength.”
“Birthers” are Obama’s enemies. By not releasing his long form birth certificate, he is goading his most strident political opposition and guiding a split in the right of center ranks. Obama hopes to use that division as a strength in 2012.
Let me get this straight. (keep in mind, I and many here have been keeping track of this since way before the 2008 elections)
Barry didn't release his long form BC in early 2008 because he was waiting for “right before the election” to show the world how crazy the birthers are.
(didn't happen)
Barry didn't release his long form BC because he was waiting until “right before the 2010 elections” to show the world how crazy the birthers are.
(didn't happen)
Now you want us to believe Barry hasn't released his long form BC because he is waiting until “right before the 2012 elections” to show the world how crazy the birthers are?
This song and dance you keep performing is getting old.
Barry hasn't released his “qualifications” because he doesn't have any. And any forged document he tries to drum up now will not stand up to public scrutiny.
Your goading and tactics are like I said before, getting old.
Let me get this straight. (keep in mind, I and many here have been keeping track of this since way before the 2008 elections)
Barry didn’t release his long form BC in early 2008 because he was waiting for “right before the election” to show the world how crazy the birthers are.
(didn’t happen)
Barry didn’t release his long form BC because he was waiting until “right before the 2010 elections” to show the world how crazy the birthers are.
(didn’t happen)
Now you want us to believe Barry hasn’t released his long form BC because he is waiting until “right before the 2012 elections” to show the world how crazy the birthers are?
This song and dance you keep performing is getting old.
Barry hasn’t released his “qualifications” because he doesn’t have any. And any forged document he tries to drum up now will not stand up to public scrutiny.
Your goading and tactics are like I said before, getting old.
Obama hopes to take advantage of DIVISION between birthers and non-birthers in the conservative movement and in the Republican Party. That could lead to third party and independent candidates DIVIDING the anti-Obama vote.
More primary challenges can deplete financial resources. Ideological splits lead to frustrated voters who might stay home on election day.
Obama wants conservatives and Republicans to have to go on the record as either birthers (so he can ridicule them) or as non-birthers (so he can co-opt them as being bipartisan).
His political goals are met by NEVER releasing a long form, vault copy birth certificate unless a change in laws forces him to.
Barry doesn’t have to release his credentials. He got the previous Republican administration in Hawaii to do that for him.
Oh, and if you don’t like the old song and dance, feel free to change the channel. I won’t mind.
But don’t forget about McCain, who was “authorized” by Congress to run for President.
No problem. Thanks for the clarification. It’s a good point that you don’t need as much information to get a passport as a person SHOULD need to prove presidential eligibility.
It’s interesting that FactCheck’s original story about the COLB stressed that it contains all the information necessary to get a passport. Why? Because it was photographed in Chicago, by their representatives, only days before the State Dept. passport files were “cauterized” by John Brennan’s contract employee.
One could almost think that the COLB was somehow “obtained” in order to be used in some way during that gambit.
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