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Well, at least THIS time, the normally one-sided, no-room-for-anyone-else's-opinion NY Times provides a forum for other points of view.
1 posted on 01/26/2011 4:53:43 AM PST by Pharmboy
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To: thefactor

Bang!


2 posted on 01/26/2011 4:55:34 AM PST by Pharmboy (What always made the state a hell has been that man tried to make it heaven-Hoelderlin)
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To: Pharmboy

With patriots trusting government “scientists” about as much as they trust Osama Bin Laden, this is a totally clueless article.


3 posted on 01/26/2011 4:56:54 AM PST by kittymyrib
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The “research” has been done and the results are clear!
When the citizens of any community have been allowed to arm themselves, after a long period of being restrained, the violent crime goes down, in large numbers.
In communities where citizens have been disarmed, the violent crime is highest in the nation.


5 posted on 01/26/2011 5:01:21 AM PST by G Larry
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To: Pharmboy

There is nothing stopping the anti-US crowd that wants to infringe on our rights from funding their own studies.


6 posted on 01/26/2011 5:02:26 AM PST by pnh102 (Regarding liberalism, always attribute to malice what you think can be explained by stupidity. - Me)
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Sounds like a bunch of people clamoring for tax payer’s money, while wanting to manufacture a bunch of bullshit statistics.

We all saw where that got us when “climate scientists” got our money......


7 posted on 01/26/2011 5:03:26 AM PST by KoRn (Department of Homeland Security, Certified - "Right Wing Extremist")
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To: Pharmboy

I notice they aren’t trying to do “research” on whether the First Amendment is “harmful”, or if communities are less safe where freedom of speech or religion is tolerated. Absurd? Of course. And so is so-called “research” on the Second Amendment.


8 posted on 01/26/2011 5:05:40 AM PST by montag813 (http://www.facebook.com/StandWithArizona)
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To: Pharmboy

Time to stop using the word “scientist” when referring to sociologists, psychologists and the like. Whatever is going on is not “science”.


10 posted on 01/26/2011 5:12:03 AM PST by Seruzawa (If you agree with the French raise your hand - If you are French raise both hands.)
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“We’ve been stopped from answering the basic questions,” said Mark Rosenberg, former director of the National Center for Injury Control and Prevention"

You haven't been stopped from anything - pay for it on your own dime. Methinks Mr. Rosenbery is more concerned that he can't get a fat govt. paycheck (in the for of research grants) for pursuing his political agenda. Boo-hoo

11 posted on 01/26/2011 5:18:04 AM PST by circlecity
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The fundamental problem with the idea of “scientific research” is that it isn't done by scientists and most certainly doesn't follow scientific method.

It is at best a collection of imperfect data by a bunch of sociology PhDs who then stare at the goat innards and declare certainty in what it all means, not just deductively, but what it means we must do to address what they have pronounced. In actuality, it is a bunch of Leftists using government grant money to dress up their political views with spreadsheets.

We already know what would have prevented the Tuscon shootings, i.e. effective handling of the mentally ill. But losing the mentally ill vote would destroy the Democratic Party.

12 posted on 01/26/2011 5:18:28 AM PST by SampleMan (If all of the people currently oppressed shared a common geography, bullets would already be flying.)
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Sorry, Times, but the studies HAVE been done. And done. And re-done. Ask John Lott.

But, ever true to leftist form, when the results don’t deliver the agenda you want, ignore them and feign ignorance.


13 posted on 01/26/2011 5:18:38 AM PST by IronJack (=)
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Typical, really. They want gun ownership defined as a mental disease that must be eradicated.
Now go out and make the science to support it!


19 posted on 01/26/2011 6:09:27 AM PST by martian622 (The Revolution is being televised.)
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The book “More guns, less crime” is a well-documented and researched answer to this question, moron. Of course they know that, but just don’t like the answer.


20 posted on 01/26/2011 6:09:53 AM PST by jdsteel (I like the way the words "Palin for President" drive progressives absolutely crazy.)
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There are plenty of DOJ crime statistics, including the one that says guns are used by law-abiding citizens 2.5 million times a year to prevent violent crimes, 99% of the time without a shot being fired.

http://gunfacts.info

21 posted on 01/26/2011 6:15:32 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum ("If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun." -- Barry Soetoro, June 11, 2008)
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NY Slimes is just carrying water and paving the way for this:

Chris Matthews: Obama Plans Separate Gun-Control Speech

25 posted on 01/26/2011 7:22:04 AM PST by Erik Latranyi (Too many conservatives urge retreat when the war of politics doesn't go their way.)
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The reality is that even these and other basic questions cannot be fully answered, because not enough research has been done...

...except that it has, many times. And it always shows an increase in firearms ownership means a decrease in crime. But that doesn't ever have any effect on the statists. They want unarmed serfs, facts be damned.


Frowning takes 68 muscles.
Smiling takes 6.
Pulling this trigger takes 2.
I'm lazy.

26 posted on 01/26/2011 8:44:13 AM PST by The Comedian (Obama is just the cherry on top of the $hit sundae of fraud the democrats have become.)
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Scientists in the field and former officials with the government agency that used to finance the great bulk of this research say the influence of the National Rife Association has all but choked off money for such work.

These supposed "scientists" would be the same kind who "studied" the effects of venereal disease on American Citizens in the south teo generations ago, and "studied" the effects of open-air atomic bomb tests on U.S. Soldiers a generation back. Now they want to play with human lives again.

Let them start with the N.Y. Times. Let's see how they react to having their armed guards removed from the paper's NY offices.


29 posted on 01/26/2011 2:47:29 PM PST by archy (I'd give my right arm to be ambidextrous!)
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* The Wall Street Journal

* LATIN AMERICA NEWS
* JANUARY 26, 2011

Alleged Gun Ring Busted

Authorities Say Smugglers Planned to Ship 700 Weapons to Mexican Cartels

By TAMARA AUDI

PHOENIX—Federal officials said Tuesday they busted a network of gun buyers and smugglers planning to ship 700 guns to Mexican drug cartels embroiled in deadly turf wars.

Law-enforcement officials arrested 17 people named in a 53-count indictment unsealed Tuesday. Police were still searching for three other people named in the indictment.

“The drug cartels go shopping for their war weapons in Arizona,” said Dennis Burke, U.S. attorney for the District of Arizona. “One of Arizona’s top exports is weapons for drug cartels.”
Dennis Burke, U.S. attorney for the District of Arizona, detailed the bust at a Phoenix news conference where some of the weapons were displayed.

The arrests come on the heels of Secretary of State Hillary Clinton’s visit Monday to Mexico City for talks with Mexican President Felipe Calderón that addressed the battle against drug violence in Mexico.

Excerpt

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704698004576104531412549752.html?KEYWORDS=guns#printMode


32 posted on 01/26/2011 4:03:47 PM PST by KeyLargo
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