Posted on 01/24/2011 1:16:44 PM PST by DontTreadOnMe2009
I agree with you that there’s more to this than just a name change, and have decided Obama’s legions are in panic mode because the dreaded birthers are closing in on the complete truth - and Obie will be defenseless to stop it.
The most obvious and undeniable fact of his ineligibility is that Obama, Sr, was a British citizen. That Barry published this on his “smears”-fighting campaign website was a stunningly arrogant act: like he knew all he had to do was screech “racists” to keep Congress, the SCOTUS, and the MSM at bay while he rode on white guilt into the Oval Office. He had essentially posted: “I’M NOT ELIGIBLE TO BE PRESIDENT!!” - and all but birthers coughed and looked the other way. If he wasn’t afraid then - why is he afraid now? And he IS afraid of us now - that’s the only reason he and his minions are out there, poking at us with a cattle prod - trying to ridicule and vilify us into shutting up, while at the same time - with thinly veiled hostility [Gregory] - daring conservative politicians to agree with those crazed birthers. He’s afraid because we’re getting closer by the day - and more and more people are responding with “Say what?” People are paying attention.
The father being a non-citizen is about the only fact of Barry’s life he didn’t keep hidden, which can only mean the rest of the story is far worse and most likely would bring horrific repercussions to his life if found out. “Discovery” is next to impossible when all tangible evidence has been secreted away. Barry has made the mistake of underestimating the intelligence and persistance of people such as those who post here and on other fine blogs, however - because we read, we research, we listen, we analyze, and we’ve become pretty adept at figuring out which snippets are actually pieces of the puzzle.
Two subjects elicit from Barry’s minions hysterical vilification of birthers: long-form birth certificate, and citizenship. My conclusions, offered for your consideration:
Long form birth certificate[based on knowledge from personal experience]: When Lolo Soetoro adopted Barry, the legal procedure would almost certainly have resulted in the following: The true original birth certificate is - by court order - sealed, FOREVER. A new birth certificate form is filled out with everything identical to the original, except for the name, race, and perhaps nationality of the adopting parent - in this case Lolo Soetoro - and the child. The legal reality of this cannot be stressed enough: this is not a “new” birth certificate - it is THE birth certificate. IT IS THE ORIGINAL birth certificate, and makes the legal statement/verification that Lolo Soetoro’s sperm conceived the child Barry Soetoro. The fact that the other [first original] certificate has been SEALED means, legally, that it does not and never did exist. NO ONE - not mother, father, grandparents, Barry himself, OR ANY person employed by the court, the State, or the Hawaii Dept. of Health, Office of Vital Records - ABSOLUTELY NO ONE can ever even legally say it exists, let alone see it. There is only one birth certificate any of those people can ever lay eyes upon, and that one states that Lolo Soetoro is the father of the newborn infant Barry Soetoro. THIS is why Obama had to forge a COLB. It was the only way to produce a “legal” document with the father as “Barack Obama”.
Citizenship: As is the case of every nation on earth, the citizenship of a father is automatically conferred to his children. Therefore, on whatever month/day/year the judge signed the order making Lolo Soetoro the father of Barry - to the Indonesian government, Barry became an Indonesian citizen. He didn’t “lose” his US citizenship; it wasn’t “taken away” from him by his mother. The US allows dual citizenship. BUT - Indonesia does not, so in becoming the child of an Indonesian citizen, Barry’s Indonesian citizenship was IT.
That Indonesian citizenship of course required he have an Indonesian passport - which explains that FOIA-released document of Stanley Ann Soetoro’s - the application to amend her passport. Her Indonesian citizen son could no longer travel on her US passport.
We learned from the Stanley Ann/Lolo 1980 divorce papers that on that date Barry was their child over the age of 18, but still dependant on them for education costs. So we then also know that although Barry had been living in Hawaii with his grandparents for ten years, and was in 1980 attending Occidental College - and had been going by the name of Barry Obama - the divorce papers show us he was legally still Barry Soetoro, requiring his father Lolo’s financial support for his education, and THEREFORE was at age 19 still an Indonesian citizen - and yes, surely attending Occidental as a foreign student. Which is why the school had placed him in housing with the Pakistan students.
Questions remaining: For how many years, and how many trips, did he travel on his Indonesian passport?
Did he ever apply to become a US citizen again? If so, His status is Naturalized citizen: not eligible to be president.
He was in school in Hawaii as Barry Obama. The Kenyan Barack Obama [father] visited Hawaii for a month at Christmas time - shortly after Barry had returned from Indonesia. His mother was also visiting during that time. Why was Sr. there? No hint anywhere. Is it possible that he adopted the boy Barry back again? Why else would the boy start being Barry Obama again? Indications are that authorities in Hawaii and/or Indonesia were being given false information about Barry - from appx. 1971 - 1980.
As always - with Barry the One - the more questions are answered, the more questions come to light.
Apologies for the length of this - lost track of time.
ME BRUTUS!
Thank you for your elucidations. I admit I have been reading about this topic obsessively since summer 2008 and I learn something so often that I keep obsessively reading...
I learned from your comment as well. But are you sure that the original pre-adoption birth certificate can never, ever be seen? How about subpoena or similar court order? Couldn’t that make it see the light of day? And would the amended due to adoption BC have the original place of birth?
I’m reasonably certain the fiend was born in Kenya. I also think the dam is breaking. And the speed will accelerate. They’re afraid, I agree. I like it that they are afraid, makes me happy.
I wonder if he is still an Indonesian, I sort of think so.
Or at least a coupon for one.
it actually exists in the archives, written down...
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You seem to write mystery sentences, too. Hope you at least got a gif for that fruit basket... or a gif or a jpeg coupon. LOL
Red Steel, if you haven’t gone blind from reading (I feel as though I’m getting there!) take a look at GGMac’s reply to me.
It doesn't matter in any case for 2012, Obama is about to be sealed off from states like Arizona who are on the verge to pass presidential ballot eligibility laws. Arizona has a tough one, which I doubt Obama can qualify as a presidential candidate in 2012. Say goodbye to Obama.
Here is today's article:
"Game-changer! Arizona to pass 2012 eligibility law" http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2663269/posts
I want to say “buh bye” a lot sooner than in two years, and I want all the crap he signed/ people he hired etc UNDONE and made null and void. And I want trials - lots and lots of trials and hearings and legal crap.
I hope you handle disappointment well.
“It reminds me of something you would expect in a totalitarian country.”
Or possibly also the reactions of rational people when confronted by loons and nut-jobs.
Thanks for your reply - I was afraid it would be a dead thread by now, or at least that everyone would have gone to bed.
You’re right that the pre-adoption birth certificate can be seen, but the restrictions are mighty. Only the subject child can see it, and only after petitioning the court, having a hearing, and convincing the judge that it’s absolutely essential. My understanding is that NO third party can file such a petition, which means the sealed documents are subpoena-proof. The certificate is only a part of the order of sealing: any and all related documents, papers, transcripts, orders - all of it is under seal. The purpose is to protect the child’s privacy - perhaps a vestige from the awful days when adoption was looked upon as something shameful. That sins-of-the-mother-visited-on-the-child mentality.
Barry’s type of adoption is no different than any other adoption in procedure and result, no matter the child’s age. The natural father must appear before and convince the judge that he’s willingly relinquishing all rights to the child because he believes doing so is in the child’s best interests. The adoptive father must also appear, separately, and convince the judge his desire to be the child’s father is sincere, loving, and in its’ best interests.
The sealing is to prevent anyone being able to have knowledge or info which could be used to upset the child in any conceivable way. It could also be considered a blackmail preventative, regarding the parents. The sealing is why it is next to impossible for adopted and now adult individuals to find out anything about, let alone locate, their “birth-mother”. SHE also has a sacrosanct right to privacy.
The other thing about the “new” birth certificate is that it is not considered an “amendment”. In the law, that birth certificate which we would reflexively think of as the “original” - is gone. What being sealed means relative to that document is that it simply does not exist - and never did. There simply is no birth certificate but the one showing Lolo Soetoro as the father.
The original place of birth is unchanged. EVERYTHING is unchanged but the father’s name and race. It makes no difference where on the face of the earth Lolo was when Barry was conceived, or even whether Stanley Ann Dunham knew of Lolo’s existance - in the eyes of the law, she and Lolo conceived that child. Amazing, eh?
Another effect of Barry’s adoption by Lolo is that his last name would be Soetoro and could/can not be changed except by him - after reaching age 18 [or 21], and only by petitioning the courts of wherever he resides. He could have gone back to “Barack Obama” merely by using that name - you know, an “also known as” thingy. But to legally be known as Barack Obama would require a court petition/order. If he did that, there IS a public record of the proceding. Unless Soros intervened.
I’ve not a settled opinion yet on his birth place. There are many indicators for Kenya; less, but some for Hawaii -and common sense relative to the times and mores leaves open the possibility of Washington or Vancouver. There were also some glossed-over, but clearly important connections in Chicago during that time frame.
I also wonder whether he yet holds Indonesian citizenship. Don’t know how likely keeping it quiet would be - though who knows what name it might be under - perhaps that name that showed up on the mother’s passport amendment request form. Actually, that’s probably the most likely name.
And, yes - it’s very entertaining to watch him and his circling the drain.
I really like your tag line - CS Lewis has long been a most-admired in my little corner of the world.
Amen!
Game-changer? New article posted? But I was going to go to bed!
Too sleepy to stay awake - new article at the new day, with coffee.
Thanks for the interesting conversation - you and little jeremiah. Newby here, and trying to get the hang of things.
Thank you for more info. Hard to imagine that the real BC couldn’t be un-sealed by court order, but I am the last person to know of such legalities. At least the birth place would still be known.
I know someone well who did a “usage” name change, in CA about 18 years ago. It may be somewhat different in other states and times. He had to fill out a particular and specific form, have it notarized, and then post a specifically worded announcement in a newspaper I think four times. He also had to show the notarized document and change every piece of ID, bank account, etc - everything - or it didn’t “take”. Passport could not use the new name, though, until 5 years of using the new name.
He did it that way because it was much cheaper than the lawyer/court method.
So if 0bama/Soetoro did either method, there would be a paper trail that might have escaped some cleanup. Especially the four newspaper announcements, if he did change his name in a state that has that same regulation by the usage method.
C.S. Lewis was a very wise man.
The original place of birth is unchanged. EVERYTHING is unchanged but the father’s name and race. It makes no difference where on the face of the earth Lolo was when Barry was conceived, or even whether Stanley Ann Dunham knew of Lolo’s existance - in the eyes of the law, she and Lolo conceived that child. Amazing, eh?
Another effect of Barry’s adoption by Lolo is that his last name would be Soetoro and could/can not be changed except by him - after reaching age 18 [or 21], and only by petitioning the courts of wherever he resides. He could have gone back to “Barack Obama” merely by using that name - you know, an “also known as” thingy. But to legally be known as Barack Obama would require a court petition/order. If he did that, there IS a public record of the proceding. Unless Soros intervened.
I’ve not a settled opinion yet on his birth place. There are many indicators for Kenya; less, but some for Hawaii -and common sense relative to the times and mores leaves open the possibility of Washington or Vancouver. There were also some glossed-over, but clearly important connections in Chicago during that time frame.
Did he change his name back via a court in Chicago, or California at age 19, or elsewhere? Is there a court record anyone can find for a Soetoro to Obama name change?
But anyway you look at it, he lied to the Bar when he stated “Never used any other name” ...
Although no one cares ...
Like these guys?
Martha Stewart went to jail for less than this.
Right
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