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To: little jeremiah

I agree with you that there’s more to this than just a name change, and have decided Obama’s legions are in panic mode because the dreaded birthers are closing in on the complete truth - and Obie will be defenseless to stop it.
The most obvious and undeniable fact of his ineligibility is that Obama, Sr, was a British citizen. That Barry published this on his “smears”-fighting campaign website was a stunningly arrogant act: like he knew all he had to do was screech “racists” to keep Congress, the SCOTUS, and the MSM at bay while he rode on white guilt into the Oval Office. He had essentially posted: “I’M NOT ELIGIBLE TO BE PRESIDENT!!” - and all but birthers coughed and looked the other way. If he wasn’t afraid then - why is he afraid now? And he IS afraid of us now - that’s the only reason he and his minions are out there, poking at us with a cattle prod - trying to ridicule and vilify us into shutting up, while at the same time - with thinly veiled hostility [Gregory] - daring conservative politicians to agree with those crazed birthers. He’s afraid because we’re getting closer by the day - and more and more people are responding with “Say what?” People are paying attention.
The father being a non-citizen is about the only fact of Barry’s life he didn’t keep hidden, which can only mean the rest of the story is far worse and most likely would bring horrific repercussions to his life if found out. “Discovery” is next to impossible when all tangible evidence has been secreted away. Barry has made the mistake of underestimating the intelligence and persistance of people such as those who post here and on other fine blogs, however - because we read, we research, we listen, we analyze, and we’ve become pretty adept at figuring out which snippets are actually pieces of the puzzle.

Two subjects elicit from Barry’s minions hysterical vilification of birthers: long-form birth certificate, and citizenship. My conclusions, offered for your consideration:

Long form birth certificate[based on knowledge from personal experience]: When Lolo Soetoro adopted Barry, the legal procedure would almost certainly have resulted in the following: The true original birth certificate is - by court order - sealed, FOREVER. A new birth certificate form is filled out with everything identical to the original, except for the name, race, and perhaps nationality of the adopting parent - in this case Lolo Soetoro - and the child. The legal reality of this cannot be stressed enough: this is not a “new” birth certificate - it is THE birth certificate. IT IS THE ORIGINAL birth certificate, and makes the legal statement/verification that Lolo Soetoro’s sperm conceived the child Barry Soetoro. The fact that the other [first original] certificate has been SEALED means, legally, that it does not and never did exist. NO ONE - not mother, father, grandparents, Barry himself, OR ANY person employed by the court, the State, or the Hawaii Dept. of Health, Office of Vital Records - ABSOLUTELY NO ONE can ever even legally say it exists, let alone see it. There is only one birth certificate any of those people can ever lay eyes upon, and that one states that Lolo Soetoro is the father of the newborn infant Barry Soetoro. THIS is why Obama had to forge a COLB. It was the only way to produce a “legal” document with the father as “Barack Obama”.

Citizenship: As is the case of every nation on earth, the citizenship of a father is automatically conferred to his children. Therefore, on whatever month/day/year the judge signed the order making Lolo Soetoro the father of Barry - to the Indonesian government, Barry became an Indonesian citizen. He didn’t “lose” his US citizenship; it wasn’t “taken away” from him by his mother. The US allows dual citizenship. BUT - Indonesia does not, so in becoming the child of an Indonesian citizen, Barry’s Indonesian citizenship was IT.

That Indonesian citizenship of course required he have an Indonesian passport - which explains that FOIA-released document of Stanley Ann Soetoro’s - the application to amend her passport. Her Indonesian citizen son could no longer travel on her US passport.

We learned from the Stanley Ann/Lolo 1980 divorce papers that on that date Barry was their child over the age of 18, but still dependant on them for education costs. So we then also know that although Barry had been living in Hawaii with his grandparents for ten years, and was in 1980 attending Occidental College - and had been going by the name of Barry Obama - the divorce papers show us he was legally still Barry Soetoro, requiring his father Lolo’s financial support for his education, and THEREFORE was at age 19 still an Indonesian citizen - and yes, surely attending Occidental as a foreign student. Which is why the school had placed him in housing with the Pakistan students.
Questions remaining: For how many years, and how many trips, did he travel on his Indonesian passport?
Did he ever apply to become a US citizen again? If so, His status is Naturalized citizen: not eligible to be president.
He was in school in Hawaii as Barry Obama. The Kenyan Barack Obama [father] visited Hawaii for a month at Christmas time - shortly after Barry had returned from Indonesia. His mother was also visiting during that time. Why was Sr. there? No hint anywhere. Is it possible that he adopted the boy Barry back again? Why else would the boy start being Barry Obama again? Indications are that authorities in Hawaii and/or Indonesia were being given false information about Barry - from appx. 1971 - 1980.
As always - with Barry the One - the more questions are answered, the more questions come to light.
Apologies for the length of this - lost track of time.


621 posted on 01/25/2011 8:21:11 PM PST by GGMac ((lesson learned re Obie: parse every sentence, every word, every gesture.))
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To: GGMac

Thank you for your elucidations. I admit I have been reading about this topic obsessively since summer 2008 and I learn something so often that I keep obsessively reading...

I learned from your comment as well. But are you sure that the original pre-adoption birth certificate can never, ever be seen? How about subpoena or similar court order? Couldn’t that make it see the light of day? And would the amended due to adoption BC have the original place of birth?

I’m reasonably certain the fiend was born in Kenya. I also think the dam is breaking. And the speed will accelerate. They’re afraid, I agree. I like it that they are afraid, makes me happy.

I wonder if he is still an Indonesian, I sort of think so.


623 posted on 01/25/2011 8:40:19 PM PST by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: GGMac; Red Steel

Red Steel, if you haven’t gone blind from reading (I feel as though I’m getting there!) take a look at GGMac’s reply to me.


625 posted on 01/25/2011 8:50:05 PM PST by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: GGMac; little jeremiah
The reason to why courts seal past BCs and create new ones is because newborn babies given away to adoptive families is to ensure that the parties cannot contact each other for obvious reason. In Obama's case, he was about 6 or 7 years old who understood that his biological father of record was Obama Sr. There was no need to keep this a secret from him or from Lolo Soetoro for that matter as I'm sure he knew too. The sad irony is that hypocrite Obama un-sealed a court order. He got Axelrod to get a court to un-seal records for the reason that the "public had a right to know" about the divorce of the Senatorial candidate Jack Ryan.

It doesn't matter in any case for 2012, Obama is about to be sealed off from states like Arizona who are on the verge to pass presidential ballot eligibility laws. Arizona has a tough one, which I doubt Obama can qualify as a presidential candidate in 2012. Say goodbye to Obama.

Here is today's article:

"Game-changer! Arizona to pass 2012 eligibility law" http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2663269/posts

626 posted on 01/25/2011 9:19:10 PM PST by Red Steel
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