Thanks for your reply - I was afraid it would be a dead thread by now, or at least that everyone would have gone to bed.
You’re right that the pre-adoption birth certificate can be seen, but the restrictions are mighty. Only the subject child can see it, and only after petitioning the court, having a hearing, and convincing the judge that it’s absolutely essential. My understanding is that NO third party can file such a petition, which means the sealed documents are subpoena-proof. The certificate is only a part of the order of sealing: any and all related documents, papers, transcripts, orders - all of it is under seal. The purpose is to protect the child’s privacy - perhaps a vestige from the awful days when adoption was looked upon as something shameful. That sins-of-the-mother-visited-on-the-child mentality.
Barry’s type of adoption is no different than any other adoption in procedure and result, no matter the child’s age. The natural father must appear before and convince the judge that he’s willingly relinquishing all rights to the child because he believes doing so is in the child’s best interests. The adoptive father must also appear, separately, and convince the judge his desire to be the child’s father is sincere, loving, and in its’ best interests.
The sealing is to prevent anyone being able to have knowledge or info which could be used to upset the child in any conceivable way. It could also be considered a blackmail preventative, regarding the parents. The sealing is why it is next to impossible for adopted and now adult individuals to find out anything about, let alone locate, their “birth-mother”. SHE also has a sacrosanct right to privacy.
The other thing about the “new” birth certificate is that it is not considered an “amendment”. In the law, that birth certificate which we would reflexively think of as the “original” - is gone. What being sealed means relative to that document is that it simply does not exist - and never did. There simply is no birth certificate but the one showing Lolo Soetoro as the father.
The original place of birth is unchanged. EVERYTHING is unchanged but the father’s name and race. It makes no difference where on the face of the earth Lolo was when Barry was conceived, or even whether Stanley Ann Dunham knew of Lolo’s existance - in the eyes of the law, she and Lolo conceived that child. Amazing, eh?
Another effect of Barry’s adoption by Lolo is that his last name would be Soetoro and could/can not be changed except by him - after reaching age 18 [or 21], and only by petitioning the courts of wherever he resides. He could have gone back to “Barack Obama” merely by using that name - you know, an “also known as” thingy. But to legally be known as Barack Obama would require a court petition/order. If he did that, there IS a public record of the proceding. Unless Soros intervened.
I’ve not a settled opinion yet on his birth place. There are many indicators for Kenya; less, but some for Hawaii -and common sense relative to the times and mores leaves open the possibility of Washington or Vancouver. There were also some glossed-over, but clearly important connections in Chicago during that time frame.
I also wonder whether he yet holds Indonesian citizenship. Don’t know how likely keeping it quiet would be - though who knows what name it might be under - perhaps that name that showed up on the mother’s passport amendment request form. Actually, that’s probably the most likely name.
And, yes - it’s very entertaining to watch him and his circling the drain.
I really like your tag line - CS Lewis has long been a most-admired in my little corner of the world.
Thank you for more info. Hard to imagine that the real BC couldn’t be un-sealed by court order, but I am the last person to know of such legalities. At least the birth place would still be known.
I know someone well who did a “usage” name change, in CA about 18 years ago. It may be somewhat different in other states and times. He had to fill out a particular and specific form, have it notarized, and then post a specifically worded announcement in a newspaper I think four times. He also had to show the notarized document and change every piece of ID, bank account, etc - everything - or it didn’t “take”. Passport could not use the new name, though, until 5 years of using the new name.
He did it that way because it was much cheaper than the lawyer/court method.
So if 0bama/Soetoro did either method, there would be a paper trail that might have escaped some cleanup. Especially the four newspaper announcements, if he did change his name in a state that has that same regulation by the usage method.
C.S. Lewis was a very wise man.
The original place of birth is unchanged. EVERYTHING is unchanged but the father’s name and race. It makes no difference where on the face of the earth Lolo was when Barry was conceived, or even whether Stanley Ann Dunham knew of Lolo’s existance - in the eyes of the law, she and Lolo conceived that child. Amazing, eh?
Another effect of Barry’s adoption by Lolo is that his last name would be Soetoro and could/can not be changed except by him - after reaching age 18 [or 21], and only by petitioning the courts of wherever he resides. He could have gone back to “Barack Obama” merely by using that name - you know, an “also known as” thingy. But to legally be known as Barack Obama would require a court petition/order. If he did that, there IS a public record of the proceding. Unless Soros intervened.
I’ve not a settled opinion yet on his birth place. There are many indicators for Kenya; less, but some for Hawaii -and common sense relative to the times and mores leaves open the possibility of Washington or Vancouver. There were also some glossed-over, but clearly important connections in Chicago during that time frame.
Did he change his name back via a court in Chicago, or California at age 19, or elsewhere? Is there a court record anyone can find for a Soetoro to Obama name change?
But anyway you look at it, he lied to the Bar when he stated “Never used any other name” ...
Although no one cares ...