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So, Should We Ban The Koran?
Wheeling Intelligencer ^
| January 16, 2011
Posted on 01/16/2011 2:02:42 PM PST by Zakeet
Fine. Let's blame "inflammatory rhetoric" for violence such as that in Tucson, Ariz., last weekend. Let's condemn its authors with the most, well, inflammatory language we can find. And let's ban it.
Of course, we'll have to start with The Koran and a few score Muslim clerics throughout the world, including here in the United States.
Not what you had in mind, liberals? Ah, but you suggested it. I didn't.
Some liberal "pundits" and politicians have claimed Jared Loughner was motivated to kill six people in Tucson and wound several others, including U.S. Rep. Gabrielle Giffords, by comments from conservatives. Sarah Palin has been mentioned as one culprit.
That's absurd on the face of it. Loughner wasn't motivated by conservative rhetoric any more than John Hinckley Jr. was spurred by liberal comments to shoot former President Ronald Reagan. Both are lunatics. Period.
But let's assume the liberals are right, but just picked a bad poster boy in Loughner. Again, if we're going to ban extreme writing and rhetoric because it may tend to incite violence, where's the logical place to start?
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I think that's a stupid idea ... and I order you evil Freepers not to read the rest of this mean spirited editorial
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posted on
01/16/2011 2:02:46 PM PST
by
Zakeet
To: Zakeet
Did we even ban ANYTHING after the Fort Hood murders?
Oh yeah. They banned carrying guns on an ARMY post. Doh!
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posted on
01/16/2011 2:07:00 PM PST
by
FlingWingFlyer
("New laws are always a "good idea" until the first time you have to enforce them." - Unknown)
To: Zakeet
Democrats support James Eric Fuller - now held for psychiatric evaluation, because of his violent rhetoric.
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posted on
01/16/2011 2:07:03 PM PST
by
NoLibZone
(Five time DNC backed candidate Fred Phelps: "God sent the shooter".)
To: Zakeet
No body from wheeling is intelligent. Should we pee on the constitution at the same time.
To: Zakeet
Of course not, that’s ridiculous. We should no more ban the koran than ban large tubes of toothpaste, shampoo, and mouthwash. Nope, Instead, we should ban radical muslims.
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posted on
01/16/2011 2:11:43 PM PST
by
C210N
(0bama, Making the US safe for Global Marxism)
To: Zakeet
Hey, I’m still looking for the videos of the Obamidiot at the memorial ceremonies for those soldiers killed by that muslim slime major.
For some reason, it cannot be located.
What could the reason be??
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posted on
01/16/2011 2:13:30 PM PST
by
Da Coyote
To: Zakeet
KORAN INFLAMATORY?!?
TRY INCITEMENT!
FUNDAMENTALS OF ISLAM
(as experienced by non-Muslims)
MUSLIMS INSTRUCTED TO KILL CHRISTIANS AND JEWS [9:29-30] JUST FOR SPEAKING AGAINST ISLAM [9:32]!
KORAN [9.29] Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Apostle have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book,
until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection.
KORAN [9.30] And the
Jews say: Uzair [Ezra] is the son of Allah; and the
Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before;
may Allah destroy them; how they are turned away!
FREEDOM OF SPEECH IS PROHIBITED:
KORAN [9.32] They desire to put out the light of Allah with their mouths, and Allah will not consent save to perfect His light, though the unbelievers are averse.
THIS IS MUHAMMAD'S EXAMPLE JUSTIFYING THE KILLING OF DUTCH FILM MAKER THEO van GOGH:
Hadith Sahih Muslim, Book 19, Chapter 41: THE MURDER OF KA'B B. ASHRAF, (THE EVIL GENIUS) OF THE JEWS [for authoring songs and jokes about Muhammad]
HADITH Sahih Muslim [19:4436] It has been narrated on the authority of Jabir that
the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) said:
Who will kill Ka'b b. Ashraf? He has maligned Allah, the Exalted, and His Messenger. Muhammad b. Maslama said: Messenger of Allah, do you wish that I should kill him? He said: Yes. He said: Permit me to talk (to him in the way I deem fit). He said: Talk (as you like). So, Muhammad b. Maslama came to Ka'b and talked to him, referred to the old friendship between them and said: This man (i. e. the Holy Prophet) has made up his mind to collect charity (from us) and this has put us to a great hardship. When be heard this, Ka'b said: By God, you will be put to more trouble by him. Muhammad b. Maslama said: No doubt, now we have become his followers and we do not like to forsake him until we see what turn his affairs will take. I want that you should give me a loan. He said: What will you mortgage? He said: What do you want? He said: Pledge me your women. He said: You are the most handsome of the Arabs; should we pledge our women to you? He said: Pledge me your children. He said: The son of one of us may abuse us saying that he was pledged for two wasqs of dates, but we can pledge you (cur) weapons. He said: All right. Then Muhammad b. Maslama promised that he would come to him with Harith, Abu 'Abs b. Jabr and Abbad b. Bishr. So they came and called upon him at night. He came down to them. Sufyan says that all the narrators except 'Amr have stated that his wife said: I hear a voice which sounds like the voice of murder. He said: It is only Muhammad b. Maslama and his foster-brother, Abu Na'ila. When a gentleman is called at night even it to be pierced with a spear, he should respond to the call. Muhammad said to his companions: As he comes down, I will extend my hands towards his head and when I hold him fast, you should do your job. So when he came down and he was holding his cloak under his arm, they said to him: We sense from you a very fine smell. He said: Yes, I have with me a mistress who is the most scented of the women of Arabia. He said: Allow me to smell (the scent on your head). He said: Yes, you may smell. So he caught it and smelt. Then he said: Allow me to do so (once again). He then held his head fast and said to his companions: Do your job.
And they killed him.
APOSTATES AND "young people with foolish thoughts"
TO BE KILLED BY ANYONE WHO FINDS THEM (e.g. honor killings):
KORAN [4.89] They desire that you should disbelieve as they have disbelieved, so that you might be (all) alike; therefore
take not from among them friends until they fly (their homes) in Allah's way; but if they turn back, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them, and take not from among them a friend or a helper.
HADITH Sahih Bukhari [4:52:260] Narrated Ikrima:
Ali burnt some people and this news reached Ibn 'Abbas, who said, "Had I been in his place I would not have burnt them, as the Prophet said, 'Don't punish (anybody) with Allah's Punishment.' No doubt, I would have killed them, for
the Prophet said, 'If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him.' "
HADITH Sahih Bukhari [6:61:577] Narrated 'Ali:
I heard the Prophet saying, "In the last days (of the world)
there will appear young people with foolish thoughts and ideas. They will give good talks, but they will go out of Islam as an arrow goes out of its game, their faith will not exceed their throats.
So, wherever you find them, kill them, for there will be a reward for their killers on the Day of Resurrection."
HADITH Sahih Bukhari [9:84:64] Narrated 'Ali:
Whenever I tell you a narration from Allah's Apostle, by Allah, I would rather fall down from the sky than ascribe a false statement to him, but if I tell you something between me and you (not a Hadith) then it was indeed a trick (i.e., I may say things just to cheat my enemy).
No doubt I heard Allah's Apostle saying, "During the last days there will appear some young foolish people who will say the best words but their faith will not go beyond their throats (i.e. they will have no faith) and will go out from (leave) their religion as an arrow goes out of the game. So, where-ever you find them, kill them, for who-ever kills them shall have reward on the Day of Resurrection."
AND MODERATE MUSLIMS TOO:
HADITH Sahih Muslim [5:2325] Abu Sa'id al-Khudri reported that the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) said:
A group would secede itself (from the Ummah) when there would be dissension among the Muslims. Out of the two groups who would be nearer the truth would kill them.
Unlike Christians, Muslims can pretend to deny their faith to fool unbelievers (Al-Taqiyyah):
KORAN [16.106] He who disbelieves in Allah after his having believed,
not he who is compelled while his heart is at rest on account of faith, but he who opens (his) breast to disbelief-- on these is the wrath of Allah, and they shall have a grievous chastisement.
UNEQUAL JUSTICE:
HADITH Sahih Bukhari [4:52:283] Narrated Abu Juhaifa:
I asked Ali, "Do you have the knowledge of any Divine Inspiration besides what is in Allah's Book?" 'Ali replied, "...we have what is written in this paper as well." I asked, "What is written in this paper?" He replied, "...the judgment that
no Muslim should be killed for killing an infidel."
HADITH Sunan Abu Dawud [14:2526] Narrated Anas ibn Malik:
The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: Three things are the
roots of faith: to refrain from (killing) a person who utters, "There is no god but Allah" and not to declare him unbeliever whatever sin he commits, and not to excommunicate him from Islam for his any action; and jihad will be performed continuously since the day Allah sent me as a prophet until the day the last member of my community will fight with the Dajjal (Antichrist). The tyranny of any tyrant and the justice of any just (ruler) will not invalidate it. One must have faith in Divine decree.
WOMEN (and girls) IN ISLAM:
KORAN [2.223] Your wives are a tilth for you, so go into your tilth when you like, and do good beforehand for yourselves, and be careful (of your duty) to Allah, and know that you will meet Him, and give good news to the believers.
KORAN [4.34] Men are the maintainers of women because Allah has made some of them to excel others and because they spend out of their property; the good women are therefore obedient, guarding the unseen as Allah has guarded; and (as to) those on whose part you fear desertion,
admonish them, and leave them alone in the sleeping-places and beat them; then if they obey you, do not seek a way against them; surely Allah is High, Great.
HADITH Sahih Bukhari [7:62:67] Narrated Abu Huraira:
The Prophet said, "A matron should not be given in marriage except after consulting her; and
a virgin should not be given in marriage except after her permission." The people asked, "O Allah's Apostle! How can we know her permission?" He said,
"Her silence (indicates her permission)."
HADITH Sahih Bukhari [5:58:234] Narrated Aisha:
The Prophet engaged me when I was a girl of six (years). We went to Medina and stayed at the home of Bani-al-Harith bin Khazraj. Then I got ill and my hair fell down. Later on my hair grew (again) and my mother, Um Ruman, came to me while I was playing in a swing with some of my girl friends. She called me, and I went to her, not knowing what she wanted to do to me. She caught me by the hand and made me stand at the door of the house. I was breathless then, and when my breathing became Allright, she took some water and rubbed my face and head with it. Then she took me into the house. There in the house I saw some Ansari women who said, "Best wishes and Allah's Blessing and a good luck." Then she entrusted me to them and they prepared me (for the marriage).
Unexpectedly Allah's Apostle came to me in the forenoon and my mother handed me over to him, and at that time I was a girl of nine years of age.
HADITH Sahih Bukhari [7:62:64] Narrated 'Aisha:
that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and
he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old [Muhammad was 53], and then she remained with him for nine years (i.e., till his death).
THE JOOOOOOZ IN ISLAM:
KORAN [9.30] And the
Jews say: Uzair [Ezra] is the son of Allah; and the
Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before;
may Allah destroy them; how they are turned away!
KORAN [5.51] O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people.
HADITH Sahih Bukhari [4:52:176] Narrated 'Abdullah bin 'Umar:
Allah's Apostle said,
"You (i.e. Muslims) will fight with the Jews till some of them will hide behind stones. The stones will (betray them) saying, 'O 'Abdullah (i.e. slave of Allah)! There is a Jew hiding behind me; so kill him.' "
HADITH Sahih Bukhari [4:52:177] Narrated Abu Huraira:
Allah's Apostle said, "The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a
Jew will be hiding will say. "O Muslim! There is a
Jew hiding behind me, so kill him."
HADITH Sahih Bukhari [4:56:791] Narrated 'Abdullah bin 'Umar:
I heard Allah's Apostle saying, "The
Jews will fight with you, and you will be given victory over them so that a stone will say, 'O Muslim! There is a
Jew behind me; kill him!' "
HADITH Sahih Muslim [41:6981] Ibn 'Umar reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying:
You will fight against the
Jews and you will kill them until even a stone would say: Come here, Muslim, there is a
Jew (hiding himself behind me); kill him.
HADITH Sahih Muslim [41:6982] Ubaidullah has reported this hadith with this chain of transmitters (and the Words are):
"There is a
Jew behind me."
HADITH Sahih Muslim [41:6983] Abdullah b. 'Umar reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying:
You and the
Jews would fight against one another until a stone would say: Muslim, here is a
Jew behind me; come and kill him.
HADITH Sahih Muslim [41:6984] Abdullah b. 'Umar reported that Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) said:
The
Jews will fight against you and you will gain victory over them until the stone would say: Muslim, here is a
Jew behind me; kill him.
HADITH Sahih Muslim [41:6985] Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying:
The last hour would not come unless the Muslims will fight against the
Jews and the Muslims would kill them until the
Jews would hide themselves behind a stone or a tree and a stone or a tree would say: Muslim, or the servant of Allah, there is a
Jew behind me; come and kill him; but the tree Gharqad would not say, for it is the tree of the
Jews.
© Religion of Peace
KORAN (Shakir translation): http://www.hti.umich.edu/k/koran/HADITH: http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/reference/searchhadith.html
ISLAM IS NOT A RELIGION.
ISLAM IS A SOCIOPATHIC CRIMINAL ENTERPRISE.
MODERATE ISLAM IS A TROJAN HORSE FULL OF RADICALS WHO WILL SLAUGHTER US.
ISLAM DELENDUM EST!
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posted on
01/16/2011 2:15:04 PM PST
by
UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide
(REPEAL WASHINGTON! -- Islam Delenda Est! -- I Want Constantinople Back. -- Rumble thee forth.)
To: Zakeet
If the 10 commandments cannot be displayed on public property, the frieze over the Supreme Court and all references to God at the Lincoln, Jefferson and (on top of) the Washington monuments should be sandblasted off.
For consistency.
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posted on
01/16/2011 2:16:07 PM PST
by
combat_boots
(The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto.)
To: Zakeet; All
I hate the Koran, I despise it, however I don’t think it should be ban.. Once we start banning books, there is no stopping...
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posted on
01/16/2011 2:22:05 PM PST
by
KevinDavis
(If you buy a car from GM, you are supporting Obama..)
To: Zakeet
Should we ban the Koran....no
Should we destroy everyone who follows it?
YES!
They are the enemies of liberty.
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posted on
01/16/2011 2:25:09 PM PST
by
Ouderkirk
(Democrats...the party of Slavery, Segregation, Sodomy, and Sedition)
To: Zakeet
So, Should We Ban The Koran? No.
Like the four-packs of cheap toilet paper available at the dollar
store, the Koran may come in handy in an emergency situation.
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posted on
01/16/2011 2:30:08 PM PST
by
humblegunner
(Blogger Overlord)
To: KevinDavis
Not only should we NOT ban it, we should make every person in the country read at least one of its hateful verses. There is already mandatory schooling so what’s a little more?
Of course, this would be pointless once a leftist reaches age 22-25. By that time the brain is so severely damaged by that new information won’t register in the slightest.
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posted on
01/16/2011 2:36:29 PM PST
by
Soothesayer
(smallpox is not a person)
To: humblegunner
And then ban anyone who is offended by that!
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posted on
01/16/2011 2:36:55 PM PST
by
UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide
(REPEAL WASHINGTON! -- Islam Delenda Est! -- I Want Constantinople Back. -- Rumble thee forth.)
To: Zakeet; All
Can you imagine the Left...and some in the GOP....the crapstorm they would raise if the Koran was banned because it encourages violence?
Of course, unlike Sarah Palin and the Tea Party...the Koran does encourage and advocate that Islamics commit violence...especially on non-believers. And, Islamic prophet Muhammad is a Pedophile, too
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posted on
01/16/2011 2:40:05 PM PST
by
UCFRoadWarrior
(Whenever something is "Global"...it means its bad for America)
To: Da Coyote
Just do a search - Obama at ft. Hood - there are plenty of videos. If you find one that has the gang of cheering Blacks let me know!
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posted on
01/16/2011 2:42:45 PM PST
by
Red_Devil 232
(VietVet - USMC All Ready On The Right? All Ready On The Left? All Ready On The Firing Line!)
To: humblegunner
We should not ban the Koran. We should:
1. Ban further importation of Muslims into this country.
2. We should ask every Muslim here, under penalty of perjury, whether their first allegiance is to the United States of America or to Islam and Jihad. If they cannot or will not answer their allegiance is to the USA and our Republic, then deport them back to the third world dump they came from.
3. Ask converts to Islam (example: Black Muslims) where their allegiance is, to the American Republic or Islam and Jihad. If they don't support the USA, deport them to Sudan, Nigeria, Somalia, Yemen, or Saudi Arabia.
4. All Saudi-financed and maintained mosques will be closed and their Imams deported.
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posted on
01/16/2011 2:53:35 PM PST
by
MasterGunner01
(To err is human; to forgive is not our policy. -- SEAL Team SIX)
To: MasterGunner01
>>>>All Saudi-financed and maintained mosques will be closed and their Imams deported. <<<<<
Amen!
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posted on
01/16/2011 3:01:45 PM PST
by
itsLUCKY2B
(?Borders, Language, and Culture.?)
To: Zakeet
No, we should not ban books. We should ban Islamo-Fascist immigrants.
To: UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide
moHAMed’s ramblings remind me of Loughner’s. Both make no sense at all. I wonder if moHAMed was schizophrenic as well. His followers are all certifiable nuts. Any psychiatrist care to take a stab?
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posted on
01/16/2011 3:12:59 PM PST
by
sueQ
(SueQ)
To: Zakeet; All
A valid argument could be made that the Koran is simultaneously an incitement to murder, child pornography, and a snuff book.
I'm not in favor of banning Mein Kampf or the works of Marx, or necessarily the Koran.
But the Koran and the political/psychological cult that sprang from it needs to be declassified as a religion, and treated as a seditious, murdering political movement.
Frowning takes 68 muscles.
Smiling takes 6.
Pulling this trigger takes 2.
I'm lazy.
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posted on
01/16/2011 3:24:57 PM PST
by
The Comedian
("Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice" - B. Goldwater)
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