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That is sorta what I thought last night when I read the post, and that I would veer to the right or to the left and see what they did and put my hand on my weapon and be ready. Actually, IF I was walking out in a parking lot alone, that time of night, I would probably already have my keys in one hand and my other on or very close to my gun. For me, I don’t find myself out alone that time of night often, most recent years was going to a Kenny G Christmas Concert a year ago and a Mannheim this past December, as husband really doesn’t care to go . . . and usually there lots of others leaving . .. I’m more worried being stranded on the highway or someone breaking in but anything could happen. I’m going to look into a class for sure.

“If they really are out to get you, it is more than likely that they will jump you from behind if you turn your back on them. That would depend a lot on how far you are from the store.”

I wasn’t happy about turning my back but I was close enough that they would have to run to approach me before I got there. If they started running I would have heard them and drawn. In any case my thought was to get to where I knew there would be other people thereby avoiding the attack. It also doesnt hurt to do something unexpected to disrupt their game plan. They were prepared to do a face to face intercept, that went out the window when I went back to the store. Afterward I considered it a success, I avoided a potential robbery attempt and didn’t have to shoot or even draw.

The right angle turn isnt bad, although you are still left in the open. You might get a little more warning about their intentions, but the encounter WILL take place.

You should always have keys in hand before you get to your car.

And most important............

Always lock your doors immediately after entering the vehicle. Not after you put the key in the ignition, not after putting your packages down...

Immediately.

I once survived an attempted robbery/beating because I had my doors locked. They guy tried to start a conversation with me so I had my window down a few inches...it was a cold winter night.

I put my foot on the brake and saw another set of pant legs in the glow of the brake light and realized then that I was about to have a problem.

As I put the vehicle, a pickup truck, in gear the one at the window reached in over the window in an attempt to reach the door lock.

This was years ago, early ‘70’s, and the truck had mechanical windows. I grabbed the handle and rolled that window up so fast that I caught him by the elbow. I took him for a nice bit of road work up a steep hill and would not stop until I got to the top of the hill.

When I let him go, he had enough.

It is a long story and really worth telling, but the heart of it is that he tried to start a conversation with me during which he pulled a $20 out of his pocket, then asked me to open my door and put the light on it so I could tell him if it was counterfeit, which of course I refused on the grounds that I did not know a good one from a bad one, etc., and it was during that exchange that I put my foot on the brake.

Bottom line: You may meet a strong arm robber or one with a knife, but you are more likely to be met by one with a sad story about he needs his battery jumped off, he is out of gas, you have a flat on your right rear and need to look at it, etc.

So lock y our doors and THINK.

Cell phones make us much more safe if we can stay out of the guy's reach for a few minutes, which a locked door does for you. In the case of the flat tire story, you could rather than getting out, say something like “I'll just call the cops and ask them to help me.”

Remember, you might really have a flat tire because he let the air out of it. Women have been abducted with just that strategy.

The right angle turn isnt bad, although you are still left in the open. You might get a little more warning about their intentions, but the encounter WILL take place.

Agreed.

You are certainly correct that avoiding an encounter is the only way to go if you can go that way.

You were in a good spot. But some of these parking lots are 200 to 300 yards across. That makes retreat much more problematic.

Thank you for your post. I think I should take my just turned 17 last week daughter with me to a self-defense class and hammer this stuff home in her head. She is a smart girl but could easily be fooled by some creeper. I’ve always said, since she was only in 1st or 2nd grade and her younger brother was taking karate classes . . . that before she went off to college I would sign her up for something, not sure IF a local class offered by police officers would be sufficient or ??? what. That time has almost arrived, she is a jr. in high school.

I can’t advise on what course she should take.

Both of my daughter’s are older than you are. I know that because I have a granddaughter much older than your daughter.

Both of my daughters are very proficient with firearms of any sort.

As for karate, I always think of an old friend, a captain of detectives now retired, who advised me once that a .38 beats karate every time.

If she could master both, it would be ideal.

I think both would be ideal, since she can’t carry on a college campus. I’m not spring chicken myself, since I was a bit older when I had her. :)

Caught in a school is a felony. You will lose your CCW.

Depends on location. They lifted that requirement in sacramento county last year for ccw holders.

Too bad no mentally prepped CCW person was on scene.

Too bad no mentally prepped CCW person was on scene.

Colonel Badger and Joe Zamudio appeaer to have done pretty well. The former Colonel reacted without hesitation, and the armed Zamudio held his fire once he saw that the shooter had been disarmed, and that opening fire could have injured those restraining the shooter or other bystanders.

Sometimes it is as important to not shoot as to shoot, particularly when dealing with those who take hostages or hide behind noncombatants.

Of course if there's a cop around, live or dead, they can be used for cover. There's a better than fair chance they're wearing a vest.

Just read your post...interesting...I tend to agree but I have no knowlege in weapons.

If you were a woman, seeking to protect herself, would your advice be the same? And what type of knife as most require you open them...by then someone could be all over you!

In past I have proposed what might sound like an odd idea, and one that needs a little explanation, but could pretty much change the world in favor of women.

People, no matter the time or place, have a set of unwritten rules that are enforced by almost everyone. In the US, for example, just about everyone frowns on other people eating house pets. While it might be technically legal, most people will be very harsh to those who break this “social sanction”.

Most social sanctions are rather minor, but are widely enforced, such as how women raise girls, that “because they are girls” they must do some things, and not do other things.

Well, imagine one such rule added to the mix. That girls and women, in all times and places when in public, must carry a knife or bladed weapon, and if attacked by a boy or man, to cut them with it.

Why? “Because that is just what girls do.”

Once a certain number of women and girls begin to practice and teach this social sanction, it will cross over national borders like they were not there. And eventually, be she an impoverished rural girl in Africa, who carries a sharp piece of metal or broken glass; or a rich, self made executive woman in NYC, who keeps a razor sharp 440 stainless blade hidden on her person, among *enough* women, if not all, it will change the world.

Men lord it over women far too often with violence, and the threat of violence. But if women resist this violence, even a little bit, it crumbles. Men lose their “sense of control” over women, and women become just as important, and often more important. As a saying goes, “When women stand up, men sit down and shut up.”

At first, many girls would be injured and even killed by cutting a man who had attacked them. But they are injured and killed right now, without offering any resistance. Yet in short order, once the idea got around that women had knives or other bladed weapons, it would force a moment’s pause to the situation. And this matters.

If a man just has to pause for a moment, before attacking a woman because she *might* be armed and cut him, that pause alone will cause many men to not act in the first place. To decide that it is better to not attack, than to get cut, even a little.

When women carry knives or other bladed weapons, they will think both about them, and the circumstances in which they would cut a man. And such a chain of thought leads only in one direction: better capability when actually put in such a situation.

Some women, of course, would overdo it, either carrying a lot of knives, or grievously injuring or killing an aggressive male, but that is part of the deal, and the message, of the social sanction as well.

And it begins with just a single woman, who both accepts the idea that women should be armed and to defend themselves, and who teaches other girls and women she meets the same.

I once had a forum discusson with a freeper who claimed that he never left the house with less than 4 hi cap mags of .45 and his pistol. He wanted to be prepared to engage shooters in public places such as malls, etc. IMO, that isn’t enough if one really expects trouble but too much for mere self defense. If one really feels the need to prepare for four reloads, maybe one should think more carefully about where one travels and try more to avoid dangerous sitations?

I have been catching up on the volumes of threads from the Tucson incident and lo and behold, this post caught my eye.

I was that Freeper. Point of correction:
- It was 3 hi-cap mags of .40 cal.
- The example that I gave was not to engage shooters, but to remove my family from a total shtf scenario that develops into a mob situation...AND you may have to fight your way out of Dodge...AND it may take a while to get out of Dodge.
- As a peace officer who is commissioned by two law enforcement agencies, I may choose to engage an active shooter depending on the setting, law enforcement presence and if I did not have my family with me to protect. But that was not what we discussed on that thread.

Other than all that, you were sort of accurate in your representation of the thread content.