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High court turns away appeal from 'birther' leader
Associated Press ^ | January 10, 2011 | Associated Press

Posted on 01/10/2011 10:22:46 AM PST by Lurking Libertarian

The Supreme Court has rejected an appeal from a lawyer who has been in the forefront of the challenge to President Barack Obama's citizenship.

The high court on Monday did not comment in refusing to hear the appeal filed by California lawyer and dentist Orly Taitz. She was contesting a $20,000 fine for filing what a federal judge determined was a frivolous lawsuit.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: birthcertificate; birther; certifigate; naturalborncitizen; orly; orlytaitz; taitz
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To: tired_old_conservative
Wow! Why the personal insults?

The truth is Obama has been politely asked by ordinary citizens and a few military officers to prove with **all** the **best** evidence that he is a natural born citizen.

The truth is that this **best** evidence consists of **common** documents that ordinary Americans routinely release for many reasons far less important than being president of the United States of America.

The truth is Obama refused and spent considerable private and tax dollars to prevent the release of this best evidence.

The American people ( even the “Tingle” Chrissy Matthews) are asking, “Why?” and “What's going on here?”

Mr. Obama is losing BIG TIME in the most important court of all: The court of public opinion.

81 posted on 01/11/2011 6:11:55 AM PST by wintertime (Re: Obama, Rush Limbaugh said, "He was born here." ( So? Where's the proof?))
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To: tired_old_conservative
Obama could file a birth certificate if he wanted, but the court wouldn't do anything with it unless they had accepted a properly framed legal case in which it was relevant.

If he filed an actual LEGAL birth certificate in the court, it would strengthen a judge's reasoning for rejecting a case AND it would discourage others from filing similar cases. We wouldn't have had 80 cases filed had he just been the transparent person he pledged to be from the beginning. There's an OBVIOUS reason why he won't show the alleged COLB in a court of law, so it's time to quit making unnecessary excuses.

82 posted on 01/11/2011 8:08:01 AM PST by edge919
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To: jamese777
What’s your rationale for why a Republican administration in Hawaii defended Obama’s birth there and the legitimacy of his original birth records so vigourously?

The Republican administration, as you call it consists of Linda Lingle and Chiyome Fukino. Lingle made a couple of comments on a radio show a long time AFTER the controversy had been around. Fukino made three very carefully worded public statements that each avoided declaring Obama's alleged COLB to be legitimate. This is neither a 'vigorous' defense of original birth records or the legitimacy of Obama's alleged COLB ... far from it.

83 posted on 01/11/2011 8:11:43 AM PST by edge919
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To: tired_old_conservative; wintertime

I was going to ask why such personal insults, too, but Wintertime beat me to it. Wow, TOC, that is one mean, negative post. Do you really think it advances the discussion? I thought we were supposed to make it personal.


84 posted on 01/11/2011 8:28:30 AM PST by Fantasywriter
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To: wintertime; tired_old_conservative
Evidence like this won't even get you a driver's license or on the Little League here in my state.

What state is that? I have used a certified copy of my birth certificate, virtually identical to the Obama COLB (except that it was issued by Kentucky, not Hawaii), to:

Get a driver's license in three different states (OH, NC, and TX).
Apply to and attend the United States Military Academy.
Receive Top Secret security clearance.
Get a passport.
Apply to and be admitted to the Texas State Bar.

In none of those instances did the respective government agency quibble over the fact that I did not provide an original "long form" birth certificate. Whoever did the SSBI for my Top Secret clearance independently verified my citizenship with Kentucky, but they were required to do that regardless of what form of birth certificate I submitted.

If you can actually point out an instance where a "long form" birth certificate is legally required to prove citizenship and where a certified copy like the Obama COLB is not also sufficient, I'd be interested to hear it.

The fact is that the COLB is prima facie evidence of the fact of Obama's birth in Hawaii in every jurisdiction in America. That means that, if this issue is tried in any court in America, he has no need to provide any "better" evidence of that fact unless his opponents offer competent and credible evidence to rebut it. And, no, simply complaining that he could provide better evidence but hasn't is not going to cut it.
85 posted on 01/11/2011 8:57:49 AM PST by The Pack Knight (Laugh, and the world laughs with you. Weep, and the world laughs at you.)
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To: The Pack Knight

The COLB is proof of nothing here in GA. I went to the DMV with a current, valid MA driver’s license and proof of my move to GA. I was told to get lost, and not to come back without an official, raised-seal copy of my original long form BC. I was told that that ***alone*** would be accepted. My son was told exactly the same thing.


86 posted on 01/11/2011 9:27:31 AM PST by Fantasywriter
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To: Fantasywriter
The COLB is proof of nothing here in GA. I went to the DMV with a current, valid MA driver’s license and proof of my move to GA. I was told to get lost, and not to come back without an official, raised-seal copy of my original long form BC. I was told that that ***alone*** would be accepted. My son was told exactly the same thing.

Then you should probably talk to the DMV guy's supervisor, because, according to the Georgia DDS website, they'll accept "An original birth certificate, certificate of birth registration, certified copy of birth certificate or delayed birth certificate (Hospital birth certificates not acceptable)" [emphasis added].

Now, certified copies of birth certificates are official and tend to have raised seals, so maybe that's what he was driving at. Of course, the certified copy Obama produced is also official and has a raised seal.
87 posted on 01/11/2011 9:46:22 AM PST by The Pack Knight (Laugh, and the world laughs with you. Weep, and the world laughs at you.)
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To: Fantasywriter
According to the Georgia Dept of Driver Services webpage, they will also accept a "certificate of birth registration." The only sources I can find claim that's just another term for a "short form" certificate, i.e. like Obama's COLB. It would be interesting to know exactly what GA means by their term, if not that. But apparently whoever told you you needed a copy of your original long form was mistaken.
88 posted on 01/11/2011 9:51:13 AM PST by Ha Ha Thats Very Logical
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To: The Pack Knight

You’re quick!


89 posted on 01/11/2011 9:53:08 AM PST by Ha Ha Thats Very Logical
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To: The Pack Knight

You asked for an example of a state where only an original long form BC is accepted. I gave you one, for not from one but two personal first hand experiences. I was there. I know what I and my son were told [on separate visits, with different DMV workers]. I went through no end of trouble to comply with the rules. You’re not satisfied; you never will be. Unless and until you try to get a driver’s license here in GA, stop telling me I don’t know what I’m talking about. I do; you don’t.

[Incidentally, I DID speak to the supervisor. It is a LONG drive from where I live to the nearest DMV, where I waited over an hour to see a clerk. It made no sense to me that my valid MA license was rejected out of hand, so I politely asked to speak to the super. I got the bum’s rush from said authority. Take your quibbles to someone who wants to hear them. You don’t interest me because you don’t know what you’re talking about.]


90 posted on 01/11/2011 9:58:23 AM PST by Fantasywriter
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To: Fantasywriter
Did you try to submit a certified copy of your birth certificate? From what you've said so far, it seems like you've only tried to give them your old driver's license and "proof of your move".

If you haven't tried to give them any type of birth certificate, then I don't see how your experience is relevant to this conversation.
91 posted on 01/11/2011 10:07:06 AM PST by The Pack Knight (Laugh, and the world laughs with you. Weep, and the world laughs at you.)
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To: The Pack Knight

“I was told to get lost, and not to come back without an official, raised-seal copy of my original long form BC. I was told that that ***alone*** would be accepted.”

That is a quote from my post at 86. I guess you either didn’t bother even to read it, or you read it but couldn’t understand it. The supervisor backed the clerk to the hilt, and confirmed that this was the ONLY documentation I could return with if I wanted a GA driver’s license.


92 posted on 01/11/2011 10:14:26 AM PST by Fantasywriter
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To: wintertime

If you’re so concerned about personal insults, you should examine your own posting history more carefully.


93 posted on 01/11/2011 10:46:05 AM PST by tired_old_conservative (.)
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To: Fantasywriter
Obviously you haven't seen what goes on in most of these threads.

As a legal professional, I find self-righteous, willful ignorance of the law insulting to anyone with a brain. Sometimes it needs to be called what it is.

94 posted on 01/11/2011 10:48:28 AM PST by tired_old_conservative (.)
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To: Fantasywriter
The supervisor backed the clerk to the hilt, and confirmed that this was the ONLY documentation I could return with if I wanted a GA driver’s license.

So how do you explain the fact that the Georgia DDS website says something different?

Here's what I think: they told you that you needed a raised-seal copy of your birth certificate, and you assumed they meant the long-form one, when in fact a short form (if official and with a seal) would do as well.

So what happened, anyway? Do you have a Georgia driver's license now? What did Massachusetts send you?

95 posted on 01/11/2011 10:51:19 AM PST by Ha Ha Thats Very Logical
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To: tired_old_conservative

So you defend being insulting and making it personal. Okay.


96 posted on 01/11/2011 10:53:58 AM PST by Fantasywriter
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To: The Pack Knight
Absolutely true. Plenty of states accept COLBs for all legal purposes.

This all started with the fact that too many people have no clue as to current birth documentation practices. They think that the paper copy their parents got 30-40 years ago is some immutable standard. They don't realize that immutable standard always varied between states.

They also don't realize that states have simply taken that record information and transcribed it into a data base. You know, the whole computer thing. A COLB is simply a print out of the relevant fields from a data base derived from the original record. So your COLB says what it says only because that's what the original record said.

My state no longer gives me the long form unless I fill out a special form and pay more to request it. There's no reason to do so, as the COLB satisfies legal requirements.

97 posted on 01/11/2011 10:57:43 AM PST by tired_old_conservative (.)
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To: Fantasywriter; wintertime; tired_old_conservative
There's nothing insulting about the truth.

Things are not as Wintertime wants them to be. Wintertime cannot accept this and cannot seem to grasp that there may be a reason for this other than Winter's own believed reason.

If Winter wants to get all insulted when someone points this out, that's their problem.

98 posted on 01/11/2011 10:58:49 AM PST by El Sordo (The bigger the government, the smaller the citizen.)
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To: Fantasywriter

I think when people repeatedly bleat nonsense, they should not expect it be treated with respect. And again, if you think that was highly personal, you’ve not spent much time on these threads.


99 posted on 01/11/2011 11:00:20 AM PST by tired_old_conservative (.)
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To: Fantasywriter
Darn the luck...you happen to run into a couple of birthers at the Georgia DMV.
100 posted on 01/11/2011 11:00:25 AM PST by Tex-Con-Man
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