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High court turns away appeal from 'birther' leader
Associated Press ^ | January 10, 2011 | Associated Press

Posted on 01/10/2011 10:22:46 AM PST by Lurking Libertarian

The Supreme Court has rejected an appeal from a lawyer who has been in the forefront of the challenge to President Barack Obama's citizenship.

The high court on Monday did not comment in refusing to hear the appeal filed by California lawyer and dentist Orly Taitz. She was contesting a $20,000 fine for filing what a federal judge determined was a frivolous lawsuit.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: birthcertificate; birther; certifigate; naturalborncitizen; orly; orlytaitz; taitz
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To: TNTNT

It must. Do tell.


181 posted on 01/11/2011 11:26:45 PM PST by edge919
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To: wintertime

Lot’s of words but what counts the most is still missing: The BEST evidence.
A few Internet postings and highly massaged statements from Lingle and Fukino don’t add up to all of the best evidence.


Here’s fewer words for you. If you want to see Obama’s original birth certificate, get a subpoena.


182 posted on 01/12/2011 11:01:16 AM PST by jamese777
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To: jamese777
This fixation on the phrase “best evidence” is bizarre. A COLB is simply a download from the data on the original form and is functionally identical for the information cited. That's why it gets a state seal and is legally valid.

Of course, it's not uncommon for the ill-informed to make totems out of irrelevant things.

183 posted on 01/12/2011 11:22:37 AM PST by tired_old_conservative (.)
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To: tired_old_conservative

This fixation on the phrase “best evidence” is bizarre. A COLB is simply a download from the data on the original form and is functionally identical for the information cited. That’s why it gets a state seal and is legally valid.
Of course, it’s not uncommon for the ill-informed to make totems out of irrelevant things.


I wish that you wouldn’t continually frustrate the “Obama is ineligible” crowd with facts.

The “best evidence” has always been able to be released via a simple little “court order from a court of competent jurisdiction.”—Hawaii Revised Statutes 338-18(b)(9)


184 posted on 01/12/2011 12:17:29 PM PST by jamese777
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To: tired_old_conservative
I agree with your post. It is amazing to me the almost total disconnect from reality that these birther post show. The conspiracy theory they have woven is unbelievable and includes the entire Judiciary, Congress and the Executive branch, including the military. The legal arguments that they advance are at the best comic relief. I have come to the conclusion that Obama’s best ally in this issue are the birther lawyers. Which is a shame, because it makes it impossible to have a rational legal discussion with any of the birthers.
185 posted on 01/12/2011 12:56:58 PM PST by TNTNT
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To: jamese777
...get a subpoena
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

I fully expect to see that. Obama is losing his case ( BIG TIME) in the court of public opinion.

The American people are not stupid. As publicity about Obama’s eligibility grows citizens are now more aware. They recognize that Internet images and a carefully crafted blather from Lingle and Fukino are proof of nothing.

186 posted on 01/12/2011 12:58:09 PM PST by wintertime (Re: Obama, Rush Limbaugh said, "He was born here." ( So? Where's the proof?))
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To: TNTNT
Where's the evidence?

What we have comes down to a few questionable Internet images and highly massaged statements from Lingle and Fukino.

Has any judge, legislator, military person, or elector actually **seen** real, certified, paper evidence ( other than an Internet image)?????

Please name one.

187 posted on 01/12/2011 1:03:33 PM PST by wintertime (Re: Obama, Rush Limbaugh said, "He was born here." ( So? Where's the proof?))
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To: wintertime
The copy of his birth certificate posted on the internet by Obama and statements by the Republican Governor and Director of the HDOH have satisfied all reasonable conservatives, including Speaker Boehner and the Chairman of the Judiciary Committee in the House. Nobody needs to satisfy you or any other birthers.

Out of 101 legislative bodies in this country, not a single one has subpoenaed or even requested a copy of Obama’s BC from Hawaii. Nor has any elector needed to see anything else in addition to what has been posted on the internet. As for the Judiciary, not a single birther lawsuit has even made to the evidentiary phase of the trial. That is the fault of the birthers and their inept lawyers. Under the federal rules of evidence, Obama has already produced the best evidence of his birth on the internet.

188 posted on 01/12/2011 1:52:53 PM PST by TNTNT
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To: TNTNT
Translation:

The *only* evidence that judges, legislators, electors, and the military have is INTERNET images ( of dubious origin ) and highly massaged obfuscations from Lingle and Fukino.

189 posted on 01/12/2011 2:00:19 PM PST by wintertime (Re: Obama, Rush Limbaugh said, "He was born here." ( So? Where's the proof?))
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To: TNTNT
Please name **ONE** judge, legislator, elector, or member of the military that has seen any or government certified paper evidence of Obama’s birth origin, or his unusual trail of citizenships.

Name even **ONE**.

You can't because the only evidence available are questionable Internet images of dubious origin ( or creation) and a few carefully crafted obfuscations from Fukino and Lingle.

Wow!

190 posted on 01/12/2011 2:07:14 PM PST by wintertime (Re: Obama, Rush Limbaugh said, "He was born here." ( So? Where's the proof?))
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To: wintertime

I fully expect to see that. Obama is losing his case ( BIG TIME) in the court of public opinion.

The American people are not stupid. As publicity about Obama’s eligibility grows citizens are now more aware. They recognize that Internet images and a carefully crafted blather from Lingle and Fukino are proof of nothing.


It’s kind of a shame that no one thought to get a subpoena BEFORE Obama was sworn in as president.
The court of public opinion only expresses itself in actions at the ballot box and that won’t be until November of 2012.
Lingle and Fukino are both out of office now. The birth certificate issue in Hawaii is now in Democrat hands.


191 posted on 01/12/2011 2:25:33 PM PST by jamese777
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To: wintertime
Your response is a typical birther non-sequitor. Where is the requirement that Obama send his BC to any of those people. Obama has complied with every election law to be placed on the ballots in all 50 states. That is what is important, not the nonsensical bs spewing forth from your computer.
192 posted on 01/12/2011 2:28:26 PM PST by TNTNT
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To: wintertime

Please name **ONE** judge, legislator, elector, or member of the military that has seen any or government certified paper evidence of Obama’s birth origin, or his unusual trail of citizenships.
Name even **ONE**.

You can’t because the only evidence available are questionable Internet images of dubious origin ( or creation) and a few carefully crafted obfuscations from Fukino and Lingle.

Wow!


Obama’s composite job approval rating across the latest public opinion polls is just about 50-50. That’s not nearly enough disdain for him to impact his presidency.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_obama_job_approval-1044.html

Thus far, there have been 90 adjudications concerning Obama’s eligibility and not one single court has ruled him to be ineligible on any constitutional basis.

The public statements and media releases from government officials in Hawaii who are of the opposing political party to Obama have been enough for judges, justices and courts.


193 posted on 01/12/2011 2:47:37 PM PST by jamese777
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To: TNTNT
Fact: Not even one judge, legislator, electoral college voter, or member of the military has seen any government certified paper evidence of Obama’s birth origins and chain of citizenship.

If the above is not the absolute TRUTH, name **one** person.

The only “evidence” ( if such a word can be applied to Internet images) that any of these people have had available are Internet images of questionable origin and highly massaged obfuscations from Lingle and Fukino.

194 posted on 01/12/2011 2:51:38 PM PST by wintertime (Re: Obama, Rush Limbaugh said, "He was born here." ( So? Where's the proof?))
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To: jamese777
Translation:

You can not even name **ONE** judge, legislator, electoral college member, or military person who has seen government issued and ceritified evidence.

The **only** evidence ( if it can be called that) are a few Internet images of very dubious origin, and highly massaged obfuscations from Lingle and Fukino.

Wow! I am sooooo unimpressed.

195 posted on 01/12/2011 2:55:04 PM PST by wintertime (Re: Obama, Rush Limbaugh said, "He was born here." ( So? Where's the proof?))
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To: TNTNT

That is what is important, not the nonsensical bs spewing forth from your computer.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

If it is such “bs” then name even **ONE** judge, legislator, electoral college member, or military person who has ***SEEN*** and handled any government certifiable paper evidence of Obama’s birth origin or of his trail of citizenships.

Name **ONE**!


196 posted on 01/12/2011 3:01:16 PM PST by wintertime (Re: Obama, Rush Limbaugh said, "He was born here." ( So? Where's the proof?))
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To: TNTNT; jamese777; tired_old_conservative

Your response is a typical birther non-sequitor. Where is the requirement that Obama send his BC to any of those people. Obama has complied with every election law to be placed on the ballots in all 50 states. That is what is important, not the nonsensical bs spewing forth from your computer.


1. According to Hawaii UIPA law, birth registration INDEX data is public and MUST be released upon request - there is no standing issue here. Yet the DoH has refused to confirm that registration number 10641 belongs to Obama.

2. The DoH refused to answer even more trivial question: Whether they issued a COLB document to Obama on June 6, 2007?

3. Obama could authorize the DoH to release his BC. IN that case interested parties would have to pay for it and the state of Hawaii could make some money. It would be a win-win situation for everyone involved, right?

The only problem is the fact that there is no long form birth certificate from 1961 that would confirm Obama’s birthplace (Kapiolani Hospital).


197 posted on 01/12/2011 8:04:04 PM PST by nosf40
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To: nosf40

1. According to Hawaii UIPA law, birth registration INDEX data is public and MUST be released upon request - there is no standing issue here. Yet the DoH has refused to confirm that registration number 10641 belongs to Obama.

2. The DoH refused to answer even more trivial question: Whether they issued a COLB document to Obama on June 6, 2007?

3. Obama could authorize the DoH to release his BC. IN that case interested parties would have to pay for it and the state of Hawaii could make some money. It would be a win-win situation for everyone involved, right?

The only problem is the fact that there is no long form birth certificate from 1961 that would confirm Obama’s birthplace (Kapiolani Hospital).


The Obama index data has been available at the Department of Health website for over a year now. Anybody can order the complete 1961 birth index file if they are willing to pay reprographic costs.
http://hawaii.gov/health/vital-records/obama.html

The Constitution does not require a president to be born in a hospital. Whether Obama was born at Kapiolani, at home or on an Oahu beach is irrelevant to his eligibility.

However the former Republican Governor of Hawaii has stated that he was born at Kapiolani and Kapiolani published a letter from Obama honoring the hospital on its 100th Anniversary and naming it as “the place of my birth.”

Obama’s birth records can be released without Obama’s permission to “a person whose right to inspect or obtain a certified copy of the record is established by an order of a court of compentent jurisdiction.”— Hawaii Revised Statutes 338-18(b)(9)


198 posted on 01/12/2011 8:28:03 PM PST by jamese777
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To: wintertime

Translation:
You can not even name **ONE** judge, legislator, electoral college member, or military person who has seen government issued and ceritified evidence.

The **only** evidence ( if it can be called that) are a few Internet images of very dubious origin, and highly massaged obfuscations from Lingle and Fukino.

Wow! I am sooooo unimpressed.


If judges, legislators, electoral college members or military personnel want to see Obama’s birth records, they can go to a judge, get a subpoena and view the documents without Obama’s permission.

Now why do you think that no judge, no legislator, no Elector or no member of the military has sought a subpoena?

I’ll tell you why. Because: “The state of Hawai’i says that the President was born there, that’s good enough for me.”—John Boehner, Speaker of the House.

Why hasn’t John McCain sought a subpoena?
Why hasn’t Sarah Palin sought a subpoena?
Why hasn’t the Republican National Committee sought a subpoena?
Why hasn’t Senate Republican Leader Mitch McConnell sought a subpoena?
Why hasn’t any member of the House Conservative Caucus sought a subpoena?
On and on I could go...but you get the picture.


199 posted on 01/12/2011 8:47:12 PM PST by jamese777
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To: jamese777

Are you the same “james” who is at Dr. C’s???


200 posted on 01/12/2011 8:51:06 PM PST by Squeeky ("Truth is so rare that it is delightful to tell it. " Emily Dickinson)
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