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1 posted on 01/07/2011 7:09:56 AM PST by Gondring
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To: toldyou

ping


2 posted on 01/07/2011 7:10:41 AM PST by Gondring (Paul Revere would have been flamed as a naysayer troll and told to go back to Boston.)
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His movements were interesting. He left his car at garage and went to New Castle. Was he in his disoriented condition before exiting train? Before entering it in DC?


3 posted on 01/07/2011 7:16:10 AM PST by Gondring (Paul Revere would have been flamed as a naysayer troll and told to go back to Boston.)
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... Fleisher speculated, could have caused Wheeler to voluntarily crawl into a trash Dumpster ...

Easy for me to make this claim now, but I honestly had this same thought cross my mind after seeing the confused Wheeler video the other day...

4 posted on 01/07/2011 7:20:00 AM PST by LRS ("This is silly! It can't be! It can't be!!" "Oh yes it is! I said you wouldn't know the joint.")
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To: Gondring

There’s a couple of strange things about this case, as y’all know of course.

I got a theory and I’ll throw it out there.

First, there IS a video of Wheeler walking up to a parking garage attendant. Fox has shown this video and I watched it carefully.

As I see it, Wheeler looked drunk. Everything about his actions, his wobbly walk, shoe in his hand, he looked like a drunk. I daresay he probably looked drunk to the garage parking attendant, whose hand is seen in the video, not much else.

I understand that there’ve been other reports of folks claiming to have seen Wheeler in the two days leading up to his death. The one about the pharmacy guy saying Wheeler had bloodshot eyes, well a guy with a bad hangover would have bloodshot eyes. As for the other reports, I dunno, get a mystery thing like this and people suddenly remember seeing Rocky and Bullwinkle walking down the street.

According to the linked report TWO videos have surfaced proving other person’s claims of sighting Wheeler. I only know of one video and it’s been played on Fox quite a bit. This is the first time I’ve heard anything about TWO videos.

I’m going with Occam’s Razor on this one.

All this talk about Wheeler walking around disoriented is a bit misleading. I watched that video and you know videos are blurry and such but Wheeler looked DRUNK to me. I’m also thinking that maybe that’s why the parking attendant didn’t report Wheeler to the police as is speculated in the article. Drunks are not unusual, particularly to parking garage attendants who must see all types coming to retrieve their cars after holiday parties and such. A person behaving very “disoriented” as if from a stroke, well come on, strokes are strange but odds are a stroke would have eventually felled Wheeler. People don’t normally go walking around after a stroke but hey, I know, weird things happen. I still think Wheeler was drunk on that video.

I’m thinking the media/investigators are right now calling Wheeler “disoriented” because of that old saw about not talking bad about the dead. They’ll be time enough to call him drunk and hey, you think somebody made some blood tests on his dead body? It’s not like I’m hearing “Blood tests on Wheeler’s body reveal NO trace of drugs or alcohol”. Just this thing about being disoriented repeated in the news when my lying eyes see someone quite inebriated.

Couple more things, then I’ll shut up.

Odd that his WIFE didn’t report him missing, you think? She was supposedly out of the country but don’t husbands and wives talk to each other when apart? I know they might be estranged but that’s not been reported.

Also, the police were real quick to report Wheeler’s death as a homicide. SOMETHING about his body, maybe a slashed neck or a bullet in his head, led to that very quick conclusion. Which is why I don’t buy this guy in the article’s assertion that Wheeler died by natural causes. The police would not have called this a homicide so quick if it was unclear how Wheeler died. the guy quoted in this article is looking for some publicity.

Keep and eye on that parking attendant. This happened in a gang-infested area of Wilmington. The last person known to have seen someone alive is always suspect. So far as the police know the parking attendant was the last to see Wheeler alive. She’s probably seen all kind of drunks and maybe she called up some of her buds to tell them there’s a pigeon just ripe for the pickings out wondering around looking for his car.

I could be wrong. But looking for the easiest and most likely scenario first I think Wheeler was wandering around inebriated, was seen by some homies who saw an easy mark, they mugged him, it got violent as happens with these things, Wheeler had to be subdued with a gunshot and his body was thrown in a dumpster with pickup times known. Remember had a sharp trash guy not spotted Wheeler’s body tumbling from a trash truck God knows if anyone would have ever found the man’s body.

My second theory concerns Wheeler’s wife. If I’m right and Wheeler was drunk, he likely had a party with SOMEBODY. Somebody who’s not speaking out.

but I’ll shut up now.


5 posted on 01/07/2011 7:35:25 AM PST by Fishtalk (Dance like nobody's watching; Sing like nobody's listening; Blog like nobody's r.eading.)
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Head or brain injury.... changed to —it may not have been a murder after all....without credible autopsy all I see is blind speculation. And possible cover up. Given the nature of the place he worked in —and the nature of his work I suspect we will never find out. Kinda like that Park where the Clintons’ buddy was found.


10 posted on 01/07/2011 7:51:10 AM PST by StonyBurk (ring)
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A PROMINENT Philadelphia crime sleuth is speculating that the region's high-profile murder mystery - the shocking discovery of ex-Pentagon official John "Jack" Wheeler III in a Wilmington landfill - might not be a murder at all.

"The last place he was known to be seen alive was at the Nemours building, right in downtown Wilmington, a few (<8) hours before he would have been in the dumpster."

11 posted on 01/07/2011 8:08:22 AM PST by LucyT
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To: Gondring
Discussing this with my son the other night, I offered that it was quite possible that he was mugged and in the ensuing struggle, suffered a brain injury causing the disorientation. Also, similar scenario as the P.I.'s, he then crawled into a dumpster and passed out. Truck picked him up and compacted him along with the other trash.

Sometimes, the simplest answer to the question is the right answer to the question.

The shame of it all is that quite a few people saw him before he found the dumpster and yet nobody helped him.

17 posted on 01/07/2011 8:51:03 AM PST by Hatteras
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To: Gondring

Two words...... “Vince Foster”...


27 posted on 01/07/2011 9:19:55 AM PST by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole....)
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To: Gondring
So when he decided to sack out in this dumpster, did he have his cell phone, or not?

ML/NJ

31 posted on 01/07/2011 9:44:04 AM PST by ml/nj
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I wondered about that same theory yesterday. Even mentioned it to someone. He wandered into a dumpster and dies.

More to come on the story, but this circumstance seems more likely than any one of the many other speculations. However — it doesn’t mean no murder. If his mental confusion was due to some mugging, the mugger(s) are implicated in a murder. If his confusions were due to his setting off rat fumigation bombs in his neighbor’s property — HE then brought on his own death. Might be a combination of both of those circumstances. Or none of the above ....

Murders and possible murders of established well-off folks tend to be complicated or weird affairs.


44 posted on 01/07/2011 10:25:52 AM PST by bvw
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Ever since the cab driver was shown in a video a few days ago, I suspected he knows more than he’s telling. The police even searched his home.
http://www.delawareonline.com/article/20110107/NEWS/110107031/Police-question-cabbie-about-Wheeler-I-don-t-know-who-this-guy-is-


51 posted on 01/07/2011 11:42:34 AM PST by toldyou (Even if the voices aren't real they have some pretty good ideas.)
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To: Gondring

First - I doubt highly he was drunk. Worked for years with MADD

Second, I doubt he could climb up into a dumpster in his condition.

Third, I hope they give us the details of toxicology and whether he had anything of value on him which would rule out a robbery.


67 posted on 01/07/2011 7:08:47 PM PST by WestCoastGal (SL I believe hes a remarkable race-car driver, I think some people in the world have forgotten that)
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Does a councilman have this much power?

“On Friday of this week, Wilmington City Councilman Kevin Kelley, charged with running the city efficiently and ensuring all victims get justice, alluded that the Wilmington PD might be going overboard in their manpower allocation for the search for John Wheeler’s killer.”

“I don’t want any more resources dedicated to this than we do any other homicide,” he instructed on Friday.

http://www.examiner.com/criminal-profiles-in-national/john-p-wheeler-case-wilmington-pd-goes-toe-to-toe-with-city-council


68 posted on 01/08/2011 10:33:55 AM PST by toldyou (Even if the voices aren't real they have some pretty good ideas.)
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Police Silent

http://www.delawareonline.com/article/20110115/NEWS01/101150336/Delaware-police-mum-about-cause-of-former-Pentagon-official-John-Wheeler-s-death


76 posted on 01/16/2011 9:13:39 AM PST by Gabrial (The Whitehouse Nightmare will continue as long as the Nightmare is in the Whitehouse)
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