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The 'Birthers' Persist
Hartford Courant ^ | 12-31-10

Posted on 12/31/2010 5:41:55 AM PST by FS11

President Obama Hawaii's new governor says he'll straighten it all out. Who's he kidding?

Mr. Abercrombie is wasting his time. The truth is no match for the birthers' zealotry, the depth of their twisted contempt for the president, their ceaseless efforts over the past two years to delegitimize him because down deep they believe Mr. Obama or anyone of his racial makeup does not deserve to be president of the United States.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: birther; certifigate
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To: FS11

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm


121 posted on 12/31/2010 3:59:34 PM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: firebasecody

No! It’s great they are playihng the race card. Everyone will know it is a “shut up” because we are corrupt card.


122 posted on 12/31/2010 5:45:28 PM PST by SaraJohnson
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To: FS11
I agree. Every POS RINO and Leftist Dem who insisted on notvetting Obama, ( they knew) should be clapped in irons in a publi square and submitted to the tender minnistrations of an outraged public. Each of them should be ridiculed publicly, reviled and prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. THeir conduct is TREASONOUS.

Obama will go down in history as the biggest reverse racial discrimination scam in the history of our usurped, traduced country.

The fact is that the cause of having a genuine racial /ethnic minority , QUALIFIED US president has been set back decades, if not forever.

Black = Non patriotic NOW.

Who would want to vote for America's SECOND black president. I predict it will not happen for another 60 years or more after what the unqualified Obama and his leftist idiots have done to the country.

123 posted on 12/31/2010 5:58:13 PM PST by Candor7 (Obama . fascist info..http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/brack_obama_ipthe _quintessentia_1.html)
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To: FS11
On another thread I asked if you know of a single Congressman, Senator, Judge or anyone with any authority that believes this crackpot theory of yours. I never received a response. You now have had a few days to find someone. Have you found anyone who agrees with you?
124 posted on 12/31/2010 6:00:43 PM PST by TNTNT
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To: Hotlanta Mike
Thanks for the link! People here and elsewhere on the 'net and on talk radio cite fears of riots or even a civil war should any serious effort be made against obama and his cohorts to uphold the Constitution and seek appropriate justice. I have those concerns, but I don't see things going that way.

The progressive have us so screwed up that civil wars are surely coming if we don't the right things now, but might be avoided if we do. We can stop pretending it's otherwise. The window of opportunity to fix us is too narrow, too small to waste time with self deception and delusion.

The stench is coming from the top and has spread to everything it touched, so that's the place to start the clean up. The press has been overcome, so we each must seek and share the truth, then seek the appropriate justice or it will have its way with us.

It's a slow road getting there, but when the truth is finally understood, those Americans who were taken in and voted for and supported them will be among the loudest demanding justice.

125 posted on 12/31/2010 6:04:04 PM PST by GBA (Not on our watch!)
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To: RummyChick

I didn’t know about Cuba - tell me more.


126 posted on 12/31/2010 6:34:03 PM PST by nolongerademocrat ("Before you ask G-d for something, first thank G-d for what you already have." B'rachot 30b)
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To: nolongerademocrat

start here
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2649455/posts?page=176#176


127 posted on 12/31/2010 6:42:50 PM PST by RummyChick
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To: RummyChick

here is one thing to consider...

Hillbuzz claims that he knows that Axelrod developed the Birther movement as part of a plan.

It could be that this Cuban exile that was involved with the Bay of Pigs invasion was part of the plot to stir up controversy and lead people down a path that would make the general public roll their eyes...thus various postings on the internet about Ann going to Cuba.

I am not sure if it has been verified if she ever really went there.


128 posted on 12/31/2010 6:51:40 PM PST by RummyChick
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To: RummyChick

I just saw on the internet that Wayne Madsen claims that a reliable source told him that Stanley and Ann went to Cuba in 1960. Big Whoop. I need more than that to think this is a possibility.


129 posted on 12/31/2010 6:56:30 PM PST by RummyChick
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To: RummyChick

Fascinating. Thanks.


130 posted on 12/31/2010 7:00:53 PM PST by nolongerademocrat ("Before you ask G-d for something, first thank G-d for what you already have." B'rachot 30b)
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To: I am Richard Brandon
The ethnic make up of his father's tribe is about 90% Arab and 10% black, but that is an average. Mr O himself - who knows?

Yeah...BOS looks very very black.

131 posted on 12/31/2010 7:03:55 PM PST by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate Republicans Freed the Slaves Month)
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To: nolongerademocrat

There is some information out there that would lead one to think Ann had a passport prior to 1965...but it seems that her passport applications have mysteriously disappeared for certain time periods.

The key is the amendment that apparently was filed in 1967 to amend her name.

She indicated her passport was issued in july 19,1965 but she was married march 15th 1965. She would have had to apply in her married name...but didn’t. So was it a renewal in 1965????

Passports were supposedly good for 5 years.

This puts the original passport somewhere around 1960...a time when she supposedly went to Cuba.

I had a passport as a minor. I don’t know what they did back then or how long they were good for when issued to a minor.

It is interesting that Time has Lolo proposing in 1967

http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1729524-4,00.html

In her passport applications she lists in one she was married march 15 th 1965 but in another March 5 in 1964. I don’t think she was divorced yet for that 1964 date.

This family lied so much it is hard to get a good time line

Get this..she was living in Indonesia...and let’s her passport expire..and has to get a waiver to enter back into the US.

Was she not planning on coming back to the US????


132 posted on 12/31/2010 7:36:05 PM PST by RummyChick
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To: RummyChick

My memory (such as it may be) is that we needed to get passports renewed every 3 years in late 60s.


133 posted on 12/31/2010 8:04:29 PM PST by EDINVA
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To: RummyChick

Here is one more thing.

There was a lot of mailing back and forth about Lolo’s immigration status. Much of it is not readable.

I find it interesting that someone has redacted parts of it with B6 written by them.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/35192432/Lolo-Soetoro-U-S-Records-Allen-v-DHS-State-and-Allen-v-USCIS-FOIA-Releases-Final-7-29-10

Lolo was married in March but couldn’t remember the exact date according to immigration. Say what??? You don’t know the day you were married???

Then they tell a tale of Ann being ill and may need surgery for a stomach ailment... but when immigration asked for the physician ..Lolo couldnt give details.

I love this quote...

“If a student can get an extension of visa, apparently as easy as Mr. Soetoro got his, this weakens our visa control considerably and may give grantees a way around us.”

So just how did he get an extension so easily???

For those doing research..one of the Drs that cared for Ann is Dr.NIshigaya.

They wanted proof of Ann’s divorce in the first marriage.

When they talk about health..stuff keeps getting blacked out.

Their rent was $65 a month. They had a 63 Corvair totally paid off. His uncle gave him the car and he sends money to him through people going back to Indonesia from Honolulu because he can’t send money through the mail.
More info redacted when talking about finances.

A whole paragraph redacted.

AN ORDER FROM THE EMBASSY CALLING FOR LOLO TO COME BACK.

I am sure that is some interesting stuff in this release if you could only read it.

Also, B6 redactions:

One other FOIA exemption can be applied to protect personal information in OSC case files and other records. Exemption (b)(6) allows agencies to withhold information in personnel, medical, and similar files when disclosure would constitute a clearly unwarranted invasion of personal privacy. 5 U.S.C. § 552(b)(6). It applies, for example, to information about home addresses and telephone numbers; Social Security numbers; data about race, age, education, or other personal information.


134 posted on 12/31/2010 8:07:12 PM PST by RummyChick
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To: RummyChick

reading a little bit more of the immigration docs...it looks like Lolo married Ann to stay in the country. Someone pulled strings to get his stay extended because INS did not consult or get approval from the East-West center which governed his stay.

There is also an issue with his tax return.

I would love to see these same documents for Obama, Sr.


135 posted on 12/31/2010 8:16:40 PM PST by RummyChick
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To: RummyChick

There is a Toru Nishigaya that was President of the Hawaii Medical Association in 1959

Listed as a
Chief Medical Officer, HMSA at some point

He wrote an article on Obstetrics in Hawaii

It looks like the good Dr was Assistant Chief of Staff at Kapiolani Maternity and G Hospital in 1955

So.. what is he doing writing a letter for little ole Ann in 1965. I can’t read the address of his office. It looks like WAIALAE Ave


136 posted on 12/31/2010 8:36:17 PM PST by RummyChick
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To: FS11

Thanks for taking out the DU Obot trash.They stink worse than dead pregnant frogs on an Arkansas summer highway, with their hands out, looking for federal bennies.


137 posted on 01/01/2011 1:03:12 AM PST by Candor7 (Obama . fascist info..http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/brack_obama_ipthe _quintessentia_1.html)
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To: RummyChick

She’s just the right age to be a MK-Ultra baby. I’ve read some analysis that says she attended a private school for Americans in Lebanon when she was in elementary school. It is a mystery. I’m trying to figure out how her dead azz is still buying real estate.


138 posted on 01/01/2011 6:08:28 AM PST by nolongerademocrat ("Before you ask G-d for something, first thank G-d for what you already have." B'rachot 30b)
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To: nolongerademocrat

People have pondered why a divorce decree instead of an annulment to Obama given that he was already married.

Someone really needs to get Obama SR info via an FOIA.

There are two dates given by Ann for marriage to Lolo. One before she is divorced and one after she is divorced.

The info on Lolo has more than one reference to trying to get the divorce records of Ann.

It looks like this marriage to Lolo was a concocted marriage - either to keep in the country or to give cover for her going to Indonesia.

his grant was getting ready to expire in 64 ..the year given by Ann for marriage. It was extended one year.

Strings are pulled with INS which upsets the East-West center who governed Lolo’s stay.

East-West says Lolo had got to go back to Indonesia before he can come back to the US. Coincidentally just as the mass murders and coup are taking place.

Ann needed a divorce decree not an annulment . The plot may have been hatched in 1964 with Lolo.

Her backstory is that she is married to Obama. Maybe she was...maybe she wasn’t. But to get an annulment would mean there would be court documents that someone had lied to get married - thus screwing up Obama Sr’s whole plan.

She had to get a divorce.

Notice in the Lolo docs that people were trying to get in touch with Ann but her address wasn’t correct????

And just how did Lolo get a car that was paid for? Indonesia was in a mess. He said his family’s land was confiscated by the Commies. Untraceable payments to his uncle via Courier??? Come on...

This family was involved with the spooks.

What I still can’t figure out is what was Ann’s role given she had a history of Commie sympathizing. Just what was she suppose to do in Indonesia?? Ferret out the Commies???

There is no way that she could be working in the Embassy in 1967 with a Husband that had been or still was in the Army and not know what was going down in Indonesia.

CIA used Muslims in those killings. US gave lists to Suharto (of millions of people) and he tortured and killed people. There were shooting lists. Detention centers for those about to be shot. CIA wanted the Commies Butchered.

They had tried to use Bing Crosby earlier to get Sukarno out..now they were helping a bloody coup.

Murder, imprisonment, torture...all going on in 1967

There were pogroms going on in Indonesia as Lolo was trying to get a hardship waiver. It is hard to believe that someone with their pull couldn’t have gotten Lolo a hardship waiver...unless CIA wanted him there and this was all a cover.

You don’t take a young child into that mess as a young women when you are a Commie Sympathizer and would be a target for torture.

of course, there was the East Timorese massacre . I believe Ann would have known about that, too.
Obama hates America. What happened to him because of the Government may be why.

As a side note,just who was that Dr that was helping a poor little University student with her immigration problems...one who had been an Assistant Chief of Staff at a Maternity hospital in 1955 - Kapiolani .Dr. Toru Nishigaya was the First American of Japanese Ancestry to be elected president of the Hawaii Medical Association in 1959

So, I wonder how Dr Toru fits into the birth drama.

As a side note, there was a guy who worked at an Embassy who claimed he was given a package with bombs in it from the CIA to try to blow up a plane.
http://www.namebase.org/sources/CA.html

Who knows if it is true. But it does show that Embassy employees are ripe for cover for CIA operatives.


139 posted on 01/01/2011 7:06:24 AM PST by RummyChick
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To: RummyChick

Wow. That whole family was in the ‘business’.


140 posted on 01/01/2011 7:10:53 AM PST by nolongerademocrat ("Before you ask G-d for something, first thank G-d for what you already have." B'rachot 30b)
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