[freedomwarrior998]

And the police, executing a lawful warrant, have the right to respond to deadly force with deadly force. A golf club is deadly force. Period.

I agree that no-knock raids need to have specific parameters and some might be too quick to use them where they are not necessary. However, the answer to that problem is working within the law to establish clear guidelines when and in what situations such a warrant will be issued.

Regardless, in this situation, the officers were acting with a warrant, issued on probable cause, signed by a detached neutral magistrate.

Nobody wants to place any blame on the worthless doper in this case, who brought the problem on himself, both by selling drugs, and then by bringing a golf club to a gun fight.

[GlockThe Vote]

Please change your screen name. You are not a warrior for freedom, but an apologist for the gestapo.

[behzinlea]

And the police, executing a lawful warrant, have the right to respond to deadly force with deadly force.

And an innocent homeowner has a right to blow the sh*t out of an armed intruder who has just broken down his door. Right?

[Eaker]

Badge Bunny.

[Vigilantcitizen]

Nobody wants to place any blame on the worthless doper in this case, who brought the problem on himself, both by selling drugs, and then by bringing a golf club to a gun fight.

That comment says way more about you than the dead man whose body you're pissing all over.

[dragnet2]

Nobody wants to place any blame on the worthless doper in this case, who brought the problem on himself

You now want Internet support and encouragement for a dozen well armed helmeted para-military police assault team, that shot to death a guy holding a golf club at his own home?

[cc2k]

freedomwarrior998 wrote:

And the police, executing a lawful warrant, have the right to respond to deadly force with deadly force. A golf club is deadly force. Period.

Sorry I didn't include this in my previous response.

First, it's not clear the police had a warrant with them when they kicked in the door to this guy's house. I quoted the article up in my first post.

Second, the constitution doesn't contain any provisions for a "no knock" warrant. It is unreasonable to kick someone's door in to serve a lawful (and constitutionally acceptable) warrant.

Any responsible citizen, when someone kicks in their door unannounced, is justified in responding with deadly force to defend their home. Period. The "cops" in this case were acting as criminals. They were breaking into someone's house in the dead of night. No piece of paper fixes that.

If instead of a golf club, this guy had had a gun and shot one of the cops, would he have been justified?

A warrant is permission from a judge to search a place for specific items or persons. It's not a license to kick in a door and invade someone's home. Yelling "Police" in the process doesn't fix that problem. Criminals invading peoples homes illegally also have been known to yell "Police, we have a warrant, get on the floor" as they break in to rob and pillage a home and rape and kill the people who live there.

Serving a warrant means presenting it to the home owner (or whoever answers the door) prior to entering the home.

[AlmaKing]

A golf club is deadly force to a group of armed cops?

You truly lost all credibility.

[DariusBane]

You cede too much power to the institutions that will enslave you. No knock warrant's are unconstitutional. No clearly defined parameters make it lawful. They are conducted every day in this country. Main stream America turns its head because it only happens to dirt bags. Well dirt bags or not its still anti-constitutional. Americans can vote against sales tax extensions and bond issues that fund police fire. It will seem wrong to do so. Even irresponsible. But if voters will see beyond the fear that necessitates powerful municipal governments and defund them, things can improve. Starve the beast. Take responsibility for your own safety. Streets flooded with cops, bad haircuts and bad ass sunglasses don't make us safer. Cops with wide discretionary authority and code book so big it could never be stuffed into the back of a police car are only illusions of safety. Since nobody wants to respect the search and seizure laws, or the 2nd amendment we are left with defunding every level of government. If that doesn't work, with the social contract broken... We can perhaps re-discover why the second amendment is a hedge against the power of the State.

[rednesss]

"signed by a detached neutral magistrate."

My achin' ass. Complete Barbara Streisand.

[sargon]

I agree that no-knock raids need to have specific parameters

Specific parameters? ROTFLMAO... how progressive of you.