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Pakistan makes two nuclear weapons available to Saudi Arabia
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| December 30, 2010
Posted on 12/30/2010 11:40:55 AM PST by sukhoi-30mki
Pakistan makes two nuclear weapons available to Saudi Arabia
DEBKAfile Exclusive Report December 30, 2010, 9:41 AM (GMT+02:00)
With an eye on the nuclear arms race led by its neighbor Iran, Saudi Arabia has arranged to have available for its use two Pakistani nuclear bombs or guided missile warheads, debkafile's military and intelligence sources reveal. They are most probably held in Pakistan's nuclear air base at Kamra in the northern district of Attock. Pakistan has already sent the desert kingdom its latest version of the Ghauri-II missile after extending its range to 2,300 kilometers. Those missiles are tucked away in silos built in the underground city of Al-Sulaiyil, south of the capital Riyadh.
At least two giant Saudi transport planes sporting civilian colors and no insignia are parked permanently at Pakistan's Kamra base with air crews on standby. They will fly the nuclear weapons home upon receipt of a double coded signal from King Abdullah and the Director of General Intelligence Prince Muqrin bin Abdel Aziz. A single signal would not be enough.
Our military sources have found only sketchy information about the procedures for transferring the weapons from Pakistani storage to the air transports. It is not clear whether Riyadh must inform Pakistan's army chiefs that it is ready to take possession of its nuclear property, or whether a series of preset codes will provide access to the air base's nuclear stores. The only detail known to our Gulf sources is that the Saudi bombs are lodged in separate heavily-guarded stores apart from the rest of Pakistan's nuclear arsenal.
This secret was partially blown by Riyadh itself. In recent weeks, Saudi officials close to their intelligence establishment have been going around security forums in the West and dropping word that the kingdom no longer needs to build its own nuclear arsenal because it has acquired a source of readymade arms to be available on demand. This broad hint was clearly put about under guidelines from the highest levels of the monarchy.
Partial nuclear transparency was approved by Riyadh as part of a campaign to impress on the outside world that Saudi Arabia was in control of its affairs: The succession struggle had been brought under control; the Saudi regime had set its feet on a clearly defined political and military path; and the hawks of the royal house had gained the hand and were now setting the pace.
TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Israel; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: debka; iran; israel; nuclear; pakistan; saudiarabia; waronterror
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To: sukhoi-30mki
We can only wish that they will be stored separately: One in Mecca, one in Medina.
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posted on
12/30/2010 11:41:51 AM PST
by
DCBryan1
(FORGET the lawyers...first kill the "journalists". (Die Ritter der Kokosnuss))
To: sukhoi-30mki
At least two giant Saudi transport planes sporting civilian colors and no insignia are parked permanently at Pakistan's Kamra base with air crews on standby. They will fly the nuclear weapons home upon receipt of a double coded signal from King Abdullah and the Director of General Intelligence Prince Muqrin bin Abdel Aziz. A single signal would not be enough.
This sounds like a lode of debka. I can't think of a worse system. It is provocative without being protective. The slow unarmed transports would have to fly within intercept range of Iran's air force to deliver the bombs. If the planes took off it would be an immediate provocation to Iran. Yet they would be able to intercept and destroy the missiles, or launch their own strike, before they could arrive in Saudi Arabia and be deployed.
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posted on
12/30/2010 11:54:08 AM PST
by
GonzoGOP
(There are millions of paranoid people in the world and they are all out to get me.)
To: GonzoGOP
I can't think of a worse system. It is provocative without being protective. Are the Arab states known for their sophistication?
To: sukhoi-30mki
When did India and Pakistan get the A-bomb and missiles capable carrying one? Can we blame Bush for snoozing and allowing this?
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posted on
12/30/2010 11:58:52 AM PST
by
RicocheT
To: NativeNewYorker
Are the Arab states known for their sophistication?
The Saudis, unlike Syria, Iran and Iraq and pre Sadat Egypt, usually are. They tend to be very careful on just how far they can push things, and usually try to get other people to do the wet work for them. Against Israel they used Egypt. Against Iran they used Iraq. Against Iraq they used the US. Against the US they used Al Quida. But never got their own hands dirty, never provoked any situation that would threaten them unless they knew someone bigger was backing their actions.
The Saudi's plans tend to be ruthless, Machiavellian and above all cowardly. If they were going to go Nuclear they wouldn't let anyone know where the bombs were. And they wouldn't let someone else have the ability to change their minds about letting them use the bombs. As it stands when the emergency comes Pakistan could just as easily say no and not deliver the bombs. Considering the fact that anti-monarcy fanatics like Al Quida hold so much power in Pakistan that is a very real risk. And the Saudis don't take risks.
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posted on
12/30/2010 12:06:43 PM PST
by
GonzoGOP
(There are millions of paranoid people in the world and they are all out to get me.)
To: GonzoGOP
The planes could,assuming it's true ( it is Debka, after all), fly way south of Iran across the Arabian Sea over Yemen and be out of reach for Iran................
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posted on
12/30/2010 12:08:32 PM PST
by
Red Badger
(Whenever these vermin call you an 'idiot', you can be sure that you are doing to something right.)
To: RicocheT
When did India and Pakistan get the A-bomb and missiles capable carrying one?
The atomic bomb (1945) and liquid fueled ballistic missile (1944) are not exactly state of the art technology. If you have the money and are willing to take the international condemnation the actual construction is no big deal. They built their own. India has the better bomb designs. Pakistan has a more primitive bomb, but has better missiles to deliver them. North Korea and Iran are both using bomb designs provided by the Pakistanis.
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posted on
12/30/2010 12:11:59 PM PST
by
GonzoGOP
(There are millions of paranoid people in the world and they are all out to get me.)
To: Red Badger
The planes could,assuming it's true ( it is Debka, after all), fly way south of Iran across the Arabian Sea.
Wrong. The entire Pakistani coast line is within range of Iran's F-14s. The Tomcats have an intercept range of 926km (500nm). Sacrifice some weapons load (your killing unarmed transports after all) for extra tanks and you can almost double that. So they would have to fly quite a long distance within range of Iran's fighters in order to get to clear air. Unless they fly over India, and there is no way in heck India is going to let a bunch of nuke toting Pakistani aircraft fly anyplace near their territory.
Now making the intercept without AWACS won't be easy. But it is a risk. And as a general principle the Saudis doesn't take risks when they don't have to.
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posted on
12/30/2010 12:25:33 PM PST
by
GonzoGOP
(There are millions of paranoid people in the world and they are all out to get me.)
To: sukhoi-30mki
I'm waiting for a single Debka report that turned out to be true.
Frowning takes 68 muscles.
Smiling takes 6.
Pulling this trigger takes 2.
I'm lazy.
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posted on
12/30/2010 12:31:43 PM PST
by
The Comedian
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To: Quix; Whenifhow; houeto; null and void; Squantos; xrmusn; bronxville; Screaming_Gerbil; ...
It's-only-Debka-so-don't-panic-since-this-is-probably-BS ping.
"Nuclear Terror" ping.
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Frowning takes 68 muscles.
Smiling takes 6.
Pulling this trigger takes 2.
I'm lazy.
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posted on
12/30/2010 12:36:57 PM PST
by
The Comedian
(Government: Saving people from freedom since time immemorial.)
To: GonzoGOP
The Saudis appear to be sophisticated diplomatically, not militarily.
To: NativeNewYorker
The Saudis appear to be sophisticated diplomatically, not militarily.
To the extent that hiring mercenaries is a diplomatic rather than a military action I agree. But remember they did get F-15 fighters. And unlike most of the other Arab/Persian countries they put a lot of effort into training their pilots and ground crews.
I'm not saying they wouldn't buy nukes. I'm just saying that if they bought them they would take delivery. And their diplomatic sophistication would make darn sure nobody knew about it until the weapons were received, deployed and ready to go.
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posted on
12/30/2010 12:59:12 PM PST
by
GonzoGOP
(There are millions of paranoid people in the world and they are all out to get me.)
To: Alas Babylon!; American_Centurion; An.American.Expatriate; ASA.Ranger; ASA Vet; Ax; Azeem; ...
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posted on
12/30/2010 1:00:38 PM PST
by
ASA Vet
(Natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. De Vattel)
To: The Comedian
It's-only-Debka-so-don't-panic-since-this-is-probably-BS ping.
I don't know which made me laugh more. The name of the ping list, or the fact that such a ping list actually exists.
As for the picture. I can just seek the guy in the boat saying "ya know those clouds mean screw the catch limits."
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posted on
12/30/2010 1:02:35 PM PST
by
GonzoGOP
(There are millions of paranoid people in the world and they are all out to get me.)
To: RicocheT
You gotta be kidding both countries have had the bomb for a long time a hell of a long time before Bush became POTUS.
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posted on
12/30/2010 1:32:12 PM PST
by
Americanexpat
(Everytime I see that guy's face ot)
To: sukhoi-30mki
Hmmmm, Debka.
The Pakistanis have enough HEU fissionable fuel for 60+ bombs but have never lit one off. Why would the Saudis pay for an untested nuke?
On the other hand, Pakistan owes Saudi Arabia a lot of money and SA has cosigned on a lot of loans with the WMF.
If anything, the Saudis are camel trading for technology they don't want to have to develop themselves.
SA has had a strong interest in nukes for years as a hedge against Iran, so Debka may be at least plausible here
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posted on
12/30/2010 1:49:58 PM PST
by
gandalftb
(OK State, 10-2, Go #14 Cowboys! Valero Alamo Bowl 12/29 Beat AZ!)
To: RicocheT
Pakistan’s first nuclear test was in 1998.
If you choose to “blame” someone, your guy is Clinton.
India’s first test was in 1974, and Ford was president.
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posted on
12/30/2010 1:51:05 PM PST
by
Beckwith
(A "natural born citizen" -- two American citizen parents and born in the USA.)
To: sukhoi-30mki
Debka, what a relief, for a second I thought it was true.
If it was true, there’s your counterweight to nuclear Iran.
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posted on
12/30/2010 1:54:45 PM PST
by
NeoCaveman
(Touch my tagline and I'll have you arrested)
To: NativeNewYorker
-----Are the Arab states known for their sophistication? ----
Well, yes......
They built the tallest building in the world
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posted on
12/30/2010 2:02:53 PM PST
by
bert
(K.E. N.P. N.C. D.E. +12 .....( History is a process, not an event ))
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