Pakistan makes two nuclear weapons available to Saudi Arabia

Debka file ^ | December 30, 2010

[bert]

The question is, the only pertinent question is....is it there or not.?

It speaks for its self.

[Quix]

Maybe.

Maybe not.

I think that the factors that resulted in it being there . . . and the reasons it is there . . . are worth considering.

The globalists decided during Nixon’s era to give massive amounts of money to the Arabs . . . by raising oil prices and playing games with such.

Add pride.

I’m not a fan of ostentacious arrogance whether it’s American, Arab or Chinese.

On one level, I love architecture and enjoy such tall buildings as engineering and construction feats.

On another level, they remind me of the Tower of Babel . . . an affront to God.

Freudians could consider them to be large phalluses shoved in God’s eye. Maybe God sees them similarly.

Personally, I expect them all to fall in the not distant future. Scripture talks of a huge quake scheduled in the END TIMES era.

Things are NOT going to go on as they ‘always’ have. Dramatic changes are coming.

And human pride and the expressions of that pride will be humiliated in a list of ways.

GOD ALONE IS WORTHY.

I look at that tower . . . it would be fun to tour it and look out from it’s peak. It is quite an achievement.

On the other hand, we have airplane views and satellite views that cover more territory.

I don’t necessarily consider it an Arabic achievement. The globalist oligarchy gave them their money. Western technology, organizational skills etc. gave them the technology to build the thing and then built it for them, essentially.

And, I”m a bit curious . . . let’s say 2-3 tribes there take up 90% of the tower. And then become essentially at war with one another. How would that work out?

It’s a grand piece of sculpture.

It’s a huge phallic symbol.

It’s grand architecture.

So far, it’s a mostly empty waste.

It’s arrogance gone to seed.

It’s fascinating and beautiful rising out of the desert by the sea.

. . .

[bert]

So, in the final analysis you abandon reason and flee to faith

[Quix]

Not at all.

I think that’s your rather strong biases speaking.

I have a very reasonable faith built well on very solid foundations of evidence, facts.

I can appreciate the building.

I just realize it’s not a simple cut and dried glorification of all things Arabic.

[gandalftb]

They were all duds because the yield was far below a sustained fission detonation. Of the 7 claimed detonations, the 2 that detonated together had less than a 12 kt yield combined, 3 more of them were claimed but had no seismic yield at all, one other had a 4 kiloton yield that was likely a result of the conventional charging explosives, and the seventh claimed was later admitted to not have detonated at all.

There were trace amounts of weapons grade plutonium found, but far below a sustained chain reaction. No trace amounts of "reflectors" were ever detected indicating primitive, at best, weapons.

Seismographs don't lie and all the yields were less than what could have been achieved by conventional explosives.

If the Paks want serious money they need to light off something serious, 20 kt or more. More than likely they are selling excess plutonium, not a working weapon.

[gandalftb]

Forgot to mention, the detonations were of plutonium, not uranium. Pakistan has/had no way to make plutonium. They had to have bought it, likely from the Chinese.

In any case, Pakistan has never tested any uranium based weapons, the only ones they could have for sale now.

[gandalftb]

I stand by my point, the 1998 tests were of plutonium weapons, not uranium.

The 60+ estimate is conservative, based on the known production of the P-1 centrifuges and the 20 years of production. The number has been set at the high 80's.

Bottom line, they have never tested HEU and have no known delivery platform because of the excessive weight of their primitive weapons.

[sukhoi-30mki]

I remember the claims and counter claims over the yields and materials used by the Pakistanis. The plutonium-trace analysis had been disputed by US agencies themselves and I don’t think the Pakistanis would have been dumb enough to burn off their stockpiles in a few hours.

Regarding seismic readings, even that has been disputed.I’ve heard the same about the Indian and North Korean tests and Chinese tests earlier. And it’s not like seismologists are in agreement on these.

[gandalftb]

Agreed, the results were very hazy and disputed. Bottom line, Pakistan shouldn’t have any enriched Plutonium unless they bought it somewhere. With all the HEU they should have by now, why not test a uranium based bomb?

[sukhoi-30mki]

The findings of the specialists at Los Alamos who claimed to have detected traces of plutonium during the Pakistan tests were disputed by other agencies who claimed that the air samples had been ‘contaminated’. So there’s little evidence to conclusively prove or disprove either claim (The Pakistanis claim they tested HEU based weapons).