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With government pushing most of our corn production into totally ineffective use as an 'oxygenator' for gasoline, denying water to California's San Joaquin Valley, long known as our 'nations breadbasket,' effectively killing tens of thousands of farms - we already face threatened food shortages in this nation.

Now government is obviously doing its best to kill the fishing industry.

Of course, you'll hear little about this from the major-media-socialist-cheering-squads.

1 posted on 12/27/2010 6:13:02 PM PST by Ron C.
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Forgot to mention... you can forget low-cost fish or shrimp dinners in your local restaurant... worse, you'll have to pay two to three times for fish at your local markets.
2 posted on 12/27/2010 6:17:00 PM PST by Ron C.
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Sir you are on target. The American people have no idea what is happening with their marine resources. Obama’s Oceans Policy is just the framework.

vob


3 posted on 12/27/2010 6:19:54 PM PST by Vob (free radical community organizer)
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To: Ron C.
Your life is an inconvenience to the ruling class, and they mean to cut it short.

The US should be filled with wildlife, not Americans.

At some point, they will stop hiding their true agenda.

7 posted on 12/27/2010 6:41:22 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (DEFCON I ALERT: The federal cancer has metastasized. All personnel report to their battle stations.)
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To: Ron C.

You’re right on that, the MSM won’t give a hoot about this story. They’ll blame raising food prices on capitalists or something. Without a crisis, how can TSA type goons take over?


13 posted on 12/27/2010 6:52:29 PM PST by GOPJ
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To: Ron C.
Of course, you'll hear little about this from the major-media-socialist-cheering-squads.

I published a book about this over nine years ago. Do you think FReepers paid attention? Not really. They went back to sleep as soon as George W. Bush came in on his white horse to take care of them. Back then, Ron Arnold was still calling people concerned about the UN at Henry Lamb's second Freedom21 conference (at which I was a speaker), "conspiracy freaks."

Not any more!

14 posted on 12/27/2010 7:00:48 PM PST by Carry_Okie (The environment is too complex and too important to manage by central planning.)
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To: AdmSmith; Arthur Wildfire! March; Berosus; bigheadfred; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; Delacon; ...

Thanks Ron C.


16 posted on 12/27/2010 7:05:24 PM PST by SunkenCiv (The 2nd Amendment follows right behind the 1st because some people are hard of hearing.)
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“Catch shares are transferable or tradable. The fear amongst fishermen is that the transferable catch shares can be sold to anybody, including big corporations or other governments”

that’s exactly what it is meant to do. It is a monetization scam, like carbon credits, hiding under environmentalist clothing. EDF is Wall Street Banks. One in the same.

I would value the author’s attempts, but he is barely above a business cultist who cannot imagine businesses working against other people’s interests. He knows what it is all about a little, but focuses on insincere hippies or other bogeymen. It’s about the money, the hippies are the “front.”


33 posted on 12/27/2010 7:55:25 PM PST by Shermy ("I was wrong" - Alan Greenspan. "Keep believing in Keynes" - Obama, most of Congress.)
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To: girlangler

Girl, you, as a sportswriter, need to see this.


34 posted on 12/27/2010 7:58:23 PM PST by Grammy ( TSA “We handle more packages than UPS.”)
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To: potlatch; Ron C.; PhilDragoo

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EDF gets “a piece of the action” for fish that they certify as OK to buy

It is “pay-to-play” with heavy-duty extortion and blackmail
Ban fish

Force restaurants and shops to charge top dollar for the EDF-approved logo

No problemo for the wealthy elites
It is like the “content” McDonald’s must post

Yet at the Chi-Chi gourmet restaurants the chubbies can order and have all the fatty foods, drinks, desserts they wish to order

No nutritional disclosures on the menus at those places

Say - where NYC Mayor Bloomie eats -

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38 posted on 12/27/2010 8:31:51 PM PST by devolve (. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . SUSPICIOUS MIMES . . . . . . . . . . . . . .)
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We on the West Coast have been dealing with this for years. The waters off the the Central Coast are part of the Monterey Bay Marine Sanctuary (which goes for miles above and below the actual Monterey Bay) and are overseen by NOAA. If you wish to try and to interpret the many regulations created by NOAA for the sanctuary have at it

http://montereybay.noaa.gov/

Here’s one telling section

The NMSA authorizes NOAA and the program to assess civil penalties (up to $130,000 per day per violation) for violations of the NMSA or its implementing regulations and damages against people that injure sanctuary resources. [See sections 306, 307, and 312 of the NMSA

If your boat sinks in the sanctuary you have 24 hours to get it up off the bottom and out of sanctuary waters or the meter starts running. And yes you could be charged up to $130,000 per day for a commercial salvage company to come and fetch you sunken boat.


39 posted on 12/27/2010 8:33:10 PM PST by artichokegrower
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So, these home-grown communists plan to kill the fishing industry along with every other US industry...

What else is new?

44 posted on 12/27/2010 9:00:36 PM PST by Gritty (Kill the Christians and Jews - the People of the Book - wherever you find them-Koran, Sura 9:5)
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To: Ron C.
Expanding the use of Individual Fishing Quotas (IFQ's) as the fisheries management tool of choice has long been in the works.

There are those who get themselves appointed as fishery "business" side representatives, who then, while being pressured with various fishery effort reduction schemes (usually including some mention or threat of total prohibition as to areas, or gear type) will be slowly arm-twisted into "agreeing" with either partial closures, as occurred in regards to bottom trawling on portions of the Santa Lucia Bank (and some other adjacent areas).

They are often allowed to gain for themselves, by way of attached stipulations to the 'deal', rules favorable to themselves, yet at the expense of other fisherman, in the exchange.

In actuality, what was "given up" on the Southern portion of the Santa Lucia wasn't trawled much anyway, save at the edges of that zone. Much of it was guaranteed net-shredding, if not complete and total, kiss-your $20,000 rig of bottom net and trawl doors GOODBYE, because you might just leave it there permanently. But don't worry folks, lost trawl nets don't continue to fish, or "ghostfish" as it is called.

Monofilament gillnets can "ghost fish" if lost. Twisted filament nylon gillnets, can ghost, but usually will collapse, and just lay on the bottom. I know this, because I have caught or snagged "lost" fishing gear.

Getting back to the push for IFQ's;

One of the things you won't see in the news is how they pit fisherman against fisherman, even on smaller scale, State fisheries management levels.

That exact type of arm twisting is occurring now (or is it already a done deal?) in regards to proposed "allocation" for Dungness crab in California, with a few fishermen doing a bit or self-centered arm twisting, themselves. I could name names, but I won't.

To heck with it. I will name names. Vince Doyle, F/V Verna Jean. Total $#@!&%@# (string of expletives not mentionable in polite company or on FR) Presently homeported in Ft. Bragg, I think.

If you see him, be sure to tell him he has many adoring fans!

46 posted on 12/27/2010 9:20:15 PM PST by BlueDragon
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“California's San Joaquin Valley, long known as our ‘nations breadbasket,’”

Huh? Buddy, it is the Central-East portion of this nation that has ALWAYS been called, the “nation's breadbasket”.

How many loaves of bread do you get from an orange grove?

47 posted on 12/27/2010 9:38:46 PM PST by ConservativeMind ("Humane" = "Don't pen up pets or eat meat, but allow infanticide, abortion, and euthanasia.")
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FUBO and the Goat you humped in on. I’ll fish when I want, and deal with it if caught. The Coast Guard, Marine Patrol and LEO here all hate the goat humper. I doubt they will enforce it.


48 posted on 12/27/2010 9:43:38 PM PST by mojitojoe (In itÂ’s 1600 years of existence, Islam has 2 main accomplishments, psychotic violence and goat curr)
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To: Ron C.
Want to see what NOAA is up to in your state? Click-able state list at link.
52 posted on 12/28/2010 1:43:32 AM PST by Daffynition (Merry Christmas!!!)
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To: Ron C.

Maybe it is time to just ignore the BS and do what the hell we want anyway. They are crazy people.


53 posted on 12/28/2010 2:23:42 AM PST by screaminsunshine (Americanism vs Communism)
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Now government is obviously doing its best to kill the fishing industry.

The Government killed the commercial fishing industry in the 80s under Reagan. What was left has struggled on, and now it is time for the sad remainder to go.

BTW, only commercial fishermen are truly evil, sport fishermen are the salt of the earth... /s

55 posted on 12/28/2010 3:54:32 AM PST by PIF (They came for me and mine .. now it is your turn..)
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See here for better info
http://www.fishnet-usa.com/


58 posted on 12/28/2010 4:17:03 AM PST by PIF (They came for me and mine .. now it is your turn..)
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denying water to California's San Joaquin Valley, long known as our ‘nations breadbasket,’ effectively killing tens of thousands of farms - we already face threatened food shortages in this nation.

Oh it brings a tear to my eye (tears of joy)when I think of all those Californians who voted for their very special POS....zer0bama.

DUDE! Actions have consequences!

65 posted on 12/28/2010 5:24:20 AM PST by Vaquero (BHO....'The Pretenda from Kenya')
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To: Ron C.

Who voted for him (Obama)?


70 posted on 12/28/2010 5:38:04 AM PST by RoadTest (Religion is a substitute for the relationship God wants with you.)
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