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1 posted on 12/20/2010 11:19:54 AM PST by Scythian
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Obama is going to rule the next 2 years by EO then by decree.


2 posted on 12/20/2010 11:21:47 AM PST by AU72
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Feds want reporting for high-powered rifle sales

(AP) – 55 minutes ago

WASHINGTON (AP) — The federal agency that monitors gun sales wants weapons dealers near the Mexican border to start reporting multiple sales of high-powered rifles, according to a notice published in the Federal Register.

The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives has asked the White House budget office to approve an emergency request requiring border-area gun dealers to report the sales of two or more rifles to the same customer within a five-day period.

The emergency request, published Friday in the Federal Register, is likely to face stiff opposition from gun rights advocates, including the National Rifle Association. ATF wants the Office of Budget Management to approve the request by Jan. 5.
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If approved by the White House, the new reporting requirement would affect nearly 8,500 border-area gun dealers in Arizona, California, New Mexico and Texas and be in place for 180 days.


4 posted on 12/20/2010 11:24:03 AM PST by sam_paine (X .................................)
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Fed.gov (ATF) probably considers anything other than a single-shot to be a machine gun!


5 posted on 12/20/2010 11:24:03 AM PST by 2harddrive
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Emergency? I wonder what they consider an emergency.


6 posted on 12/20/2010 11:24:49 AM PST by muddler (Diligentia, Vis and Celeritas)
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AP is a little slow on the uptake. NRA and NSSL have already been all over this (and I’ve seen it on FR, too). Reading the Federal Register entry, it sound like a) .22 LR rifles are exempt, and b) it’s not restricted to any geographical area, lamestream media reporting notwithstanding.


8 posted on 12/20/2010 11:25:55 AM PST by backwoods-engineer (Onward to the battle royal!)
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Emergency? I wonder what they consider an emergency.


10 posted on 12/20/2010 11:28:17 AM PST by muddler (Diligentia, Vis and Celeritas)
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The Nazis are on the move. It’s Blitzkrieg Against America time!


11 posted on 12/20/2010 11:29:19 AM PST by FlingWingFlyer (Merry Christmas to all of my FReeper FRiends!)
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There are Zero plans associated with this "emergency"...

Looks like the gloves are coming off the FIST.

In 1996, a Commission for the Bureau of Justice Statistics developed a computer database through which all information regarding gun purchases must flow. The result was the Firearms Inquiry Statistical Tracking: FIST.

Any government agent or agency who wants a list of gun owners must salivate at the potential of FIST. This data base includes "fields" for all information that is gathered at the point of purchase, which incorporates the 4473 form, the Brady form, and any applicable state forms.

Put together, these forms contain the name, address, Social Security number, drivers license number, age, sex, race, height, weight, home and business phone, concealed carry permit request information, the firearm's make, model, serial number, caliber and barrel length, information regarding the final outcome of the background check, and more.

Herein lies the opportunities for abuse. All of the above information is sent from the dealer to the Chief Law Enforcement Officer (CLEO), who is the person responsible for executing the background check. This can be done now with the FIST program.

The CLEO is supposed to retain the information for only 20 days, but is in effect accountable to no one for doing so. With all of this information already computerized, it would be an incredibly simple task to gather up diskettes nationwide and compile a national list of gun owners.

Gun owners must wake up to the dangers of the "instant registration check." Law-abiding citizens should not have to receive prior government approval, whether it be through an instant check or any other means, before exercising their rights. The instant registration scheme is poised to become the downfall of the Second Amendment.

The referenced text is at the bottom of the source page linked above.
12 posted on 12/20/2010 11:29:25 AM PST by Carry_Okie (The environment is too complex and too important to manage by central planning.)
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Obama? One giant step backwards for America.

He is fostering a civil crisis.


15 posted on 12/20/2010 11:36:10 AM PST by himno hero
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Sounds like everyone should buy two or three of them in the next few weeks.

Flood their system.

Let ‘em know we got ‘em, in spades.

Look around - I saw some Russian 9130’s a couple of weeks ago for $99. Good old accurate rifle.


17 posted on 12/20/2010 11:39:04 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a (de)humanist and a Satanist is that the latter knows who he's working for.)
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Someone help me out here.

Don’t dealers already record every individual firearm sale on a 4473?

and,

Doesn’t the ATF already have access to every 4473 that’s been completed by a customer?

Further, how is it the duty of a private dealer to undertake enforcement powers (and I think it could be argued that data aggregation is a tool of enforcement) specifically delegated to the ATF?

I understand, but don’t agree with the concept of requiring the data to be collected, but requiring this “second level” data sifting, organization, manipulation, and reporting of the collected data is just laziness on the part of the ATF, as that is something THEY should be doing already! And if not, why not?

These questions should be addressed.


21 posted on 12/20/2010 11:45:34 AM PST by Sylvester McMonkey McBean
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What Good Can a Handgun Do Against An Army?
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-backroom/2312894/posts


23 posted on 12/20/2010 11:47:16 AM PST by 2ndDivisionVet ("You don't have a soul. You are a Soul. You have a body." CS Lewis)
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This regime is as paranoid as a crack dealer who’s shorted his supplier. Their criminal, traitorous, dealings are making them very afraid. Wicki-Links may not be their only problem. Why else would they be in such a hurry to shut down the internet, disarm the people and silence any critics? Old George Soreass has demanded results or said he’ll get a new team.


24 posted on 12/20/2010 11:57:15 AM PST by Steamburg (The contents of your wallet is the only language Politicians understand.)
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“Papers Please” < /fake hollywood nazi accent >

Lord Obama and the Rat infested media used that meme when Arizona wanted to crack down on criminals illegally entering into America and taking up falsified identies.


27 posted on 12/20/2010 12:00:47 PM PST by a fool in paradise (The establishment clause isn't just against my OWN government establishing state religion in America)
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Enemy action ping.

Click the Gadsden flag for pro-gun resources!

29 posted on 12/20/2010 12:01:39 PM PST by Joe Brower (Sheep have three speeds: "graze", "stampede" and "cower".)
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Deer Rifle = Sniper rifle.

Must be a plague of snipers out there.

somewhere.

32 posted on 12/20/2010 12:05:22 PM PST by Doomonyou (Let them eat Lead.)
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Here's my idea to stop this imaginary gun running: Build a fence along the Mexican border!!

I'm really surprised the feds haven't thought of this!

34 posted on 12/20/2010 12:08:30 PM PST by ozzymandus
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Buy now... before Jan 1st

Wish I had some excess cash


35 posted on 12/20/2010 12:08:41 PM PST by hattend (The meaning of the 2010 election was rebuke, reject, and repeal. - Sarah Palin)
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WTH?!

IS the hammer REALLY about to drop?


39 posted on 12/20/2010 12:19:14 PM PST by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet)
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The government and Obama can sell Saudi billions in arms and war machines but they want us monitored for gun sales?

No one really listens when I say this yet no one denies but I am sorry but we are headed for global government/currency communism. The only HOPE for the world...(see the UK Europe how far gone they are) is America and us stopping it. Vote out all commiecrats and mostly all republicans is the only hope.


40 posted on 12/20/2010 12:20:00 PM PST by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!
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