I said that whether he is the President depends on whether the breach in the law to certify the electoral vote legally negates the certification.

A person can be arrested but if the Miranda warning is not given exactly according to the law it undoes everything.

There is a lawsuit about this (the Kerchner case) and a ruling has not yet been made.

My point is that it doesn’t matter if he is the President. The 20th Amendment says that if the President elect has failed to qualify by Jan 20th the Vice President elect is to “act as President until a President shall have qualified.”

What matters, then, is whether Obama can “act as President”. And there are cases about that also, but none have been decided.

So the matter is still pending. For the military to say it’s irrelevant is dead wrong.

I have read the article you put in your post, and frankly it does not contain any evidence of your allegations that thousands of people born overseas were registered in Hawaii as being born there. It contains much ifs, possibles, maybes and speculation, but no evidence. The laws you cite are the same or similar to laws in many states over the years. I would be curious to find out if you have any credible evidence that thousands of people registered as being born in Hawaii, when they instead were born overseas?

The sad truth is Obama can NOT legally be President, no matter how many millions of otherwise sane people, say he is.

The Army is being utterly stupid in this punishment levyed. They are offering $200K to $400K accession bonuses for physicians and dentists in war-critical specialties. As I posted earlier on this matter, being a field experienced LEAD surgeon, a doc like Lakin is worth his weight in GOLD.

It is a STUPID WASTE OF TAXPAYER MONEY and a hazard to our troops in the field. It is not only mean, over-the-top, but it’s like the Generals in on this idiocy passing the current service handgun around and shooting their own feet off. Both feet.

Idiocy like this is typical of a banana-republic or dictatorship military.

Let COLONEL Lakin back into the field to do hat he he does best. Heal the wounded.

Obama needs to silence Political Prisoner #1.

Ok, look at the immigration records for the State of Hawaii from what ever dates you like. Look at how many immigrants the state had to deal with. Start there. I did a google search in in seconds found this link:

http://www.city-data.com/states/Hawaii-Migration.html

"The US mainland and Asia have been the main sources of immigrants to Hawaii since the early 19th century. Immigration remains a major source of population growth: between 1950 and 1980, Hawaii's net gain from migration was 91,000, and between 1980 and 1983, 15,000. In the 1980s, migration accounted for 23% of the net increase in population.
Since the early 1970s, about 40,000 mainland Americans have come each year to live in Hawaii. More than half are military personnel and their dependents, on temporary residence during their term of military service. From 1985 to 1990, Hawaii suffered a net loss from migration within the US, but experienced an overall net gain in migration due to immigration from abroad. Between 1990 and 1998, the net loss from domestic migration was 80,000. During the same period there was a net gain of 51,000 from international migration. In 1998, 5,465 foreign immigrants arrived in Hawaii. Between 1990 and 1998, the state's overall population increased 7.6%. In the period 1995–2000, 125,160 people moved into the state and 201,293 moved out, for a net loss of 76,133, of whom about 44,192 moved to California."

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Now do the math. Where do you get jobs and resources for these sorts of numbers?

It doesn't take a genius to note that Hawaii as a state could not have afforded to support this without assistance. How do you think they did it? Federal help of course. How did they get that for foreigners? Well, make some of them NON-foreign... the littlest kids. It would not be a huge number, it would have to be kids under 1 year of age. But you add up those numbers from 1959 to when ever it was they stopped doing it, and there could literally be thousands of babies, now anchor babies, who got Hawaiian COLB's and with that US. Citizenship.

If this ONLY happened 100 times in a year.... yea. There could be a LOT of "citizens" affected over the whole time period.

As for getting index records, as far as I know there is no one location to get specific collated numbers for babies born to Foreign Born Immigrants. As far as I know, Hawaii is making access to index records difficult at the very best. BDZ and MissTickly would have that information more readily available than I do. It is they who have been doing that research. All I know for certain is that Hawaii is bending over backwards to make getting this information as difficult as possible.

That is where people should be looking. Not for Barry's crappola. Cracking this nut means cracking Hawaii's immigration records.

So in light of that here is this link:

http://www.fairus.org/site/PageServer?pagename=research_research7067

This is what is on the page, a good starting point for immigration numbers:

Doing Research? : Immigration in Your Backyard

Immigration Impact:
Hawaii

State Population (2006 CB estimate)	1,285,498
State Population in 2000	1,212,113
Average Annual Change 2000-2006	1.0%
Foreign Born Population 20061/	234,685
Foreign Born Share 2006	18.3%
Foreign Born Population 2000	212,229
Foreign Born Share 2000	17.5%
Average Annual Change 2000-2006	1.7%
Population Projection 2010	1.3 million
Population Projection 2025	1.4 million
Population Projection 2050 (FAIR)	1.8 million

All numbers are from the U.S. Census Bureau unless otherwise noted. Additional Census Bureau, INS, and other immigration-related data are available for Hawaii.

Population Change

Hawaii’s population increased by 16 percent between 1990 and 2000, and by 6 percent between 2000 and 2006, bringing Hawaii’s total population to approximately 1.3 million.

Approximately 30.6 percent of the total population increase between 2000 and 2006 in Hawaii was directly attributable to immigrants.

FAIR estimates the illegal alien population in 2005 at 3,000. This number is 50% above the U.S. government estimate of 2,000 in 2000, and 50% below the 1990 estimate of 6,000.

According to an estimate of the Pew Hispanic Center, in 2005 there were an estimated 20,000 to 35,000 illegal aliens living in Hawaii.2/

FAIR estimates in 2004 that the taxpayers of Hawaii spent $7.2 million per year on illegal aliens and their children in public schools.3/

FAIR’s projected annual fiscal costs to Hawaii taxpayers for emergency medical care, education and incarceration resulting if an amnesty is adopted for illegal residents.
Current	2010	2020
$9,000,000	$15,000,000	$25,000,000

Foreign-Born Population

Hawaii’s foreign-born population increased by over 10.6 percent between 2000 and 2006. During that period Hawaii gained almost 22,000 immigrants, bringing the total number of foreign-born residents in the state to over 234,000.

Population Profile

Hawaii increased by nine percent, or 100,000 people, between 1990 and 2000

Hawaii’s foreign-born population increased 30 percent during the 1990s. Between 1990 and 2000, Hawaii gained 50,000 immigrants

Impact on Environment and Quality of Life

Disappearing Open Space: Each year, Hawaii loses 1,400 acres of open space and farmland due to development.4/

A study of urban sprawl between 1970 and 1990 that calculated the impact of population increase and per capita land use found that 23.7 square miles of additional land were consumed by urban sprawl in the Honolulu metropolitan area, and 100 percent of that sprawl was attributable to population increase. 5/

Crowded Housing: In 2005 37,538 Hawaii households were defined as crowded or severely crowded by housing authorities.6/ Studies show that a rise in crowded housing often correlates with an increase in the number of foreign-born.7/,8/

Poverty: 11.7 percent of immigrants in Hawaii have incomes below the poverty level, a 2 percent decrease since 2000. Among non-citizens, the rate climbs to 4.5 percent. 9/

Traffic: As population growth put more traffic on the roads, the average commute for Hawaii residents increased ten percent during the 1990s, to 26 minutes in 2000, 10/ and to 25.7 in 2005. 11/ 23% of Hawaii's major urban roads are congested and 65 percent of Hawaii's major roads are in poor or mediocre condition. Vehicle travel on Hawaii's highways increased 15% from 1990 to 2003. 12/

Driving on roads in need of repair costs Hawaii motorists $289 million a year in extra vehicle repairs and operating costs --- $347 per motorist. Congestion in the Honolulu metropolitan area costs commuters $331 per person in excess fuel and lost time. 13/ 16 percent of commuters had a commute that was at least 45 minutes in 2007. 14/

Solid Waste: Hawaii generates 1.4 tons of solid waste per capita. 15/

Education: It is projected that the enrollment of Hawaii’s K-12 students will increase by over 20,000 (11 percent) students by the year 2015, to a total K-12 enrollment of 203,000. 16/ 17/ Hawaii’s student-teacher ratio of 16.3 currently ranks 38^th in the U.S. 18/

As a result of the swelling student population, schools throughout the state are struggling with overcrowding. Some schools on Windward Oahu and East and Central Honolulu are stretched beyond their physical abilities, and even new schools are finding themselves filled beyond capacity within a few years. Some schools are trying to cope by switching to year-round, multi-track scheduling.19/

The state Department of Education forecasts a classroom shortage crisis in the next few years, which will result in even more overcrowding. “New schools, additional classroom building, and additional classrooms to alleviate overcrowding will not be built in sufficient quantities or in a timely manner,” says one school official.20/

In some areas, like Kane’ohe, classes are being held in converted closets, stage dressing rooms, teacher’s lounges, and a patio. In some cases, two classes are forced to share the same room at the same time.21/

Under a 1985 compact between the United States and newly independent Micronesia and the Marshall Islands, citizens of those territories may freely migrate to the U.S. To protect Hawaii from a major resettlement burden, the agreement specified that annual reports would be sent to Congress on the impact on Hawaii and the Pacific territories as a result of the compact to allow remedial actions. The Interior Dept. failed to issue those reports from 1989 to 1996, and the Hawaiian government sued the federal government to recoup outlays for the migrants.22/ The suit was dismissed by a federal appeals court as a political matter for Congress to resolve. However, the lawsuit caught the federal government's attention and has led to a new catch-up report and some federal assistance. Then-governor Ben Cayetano cited Census data showing that 4,815 immigrants from the two countries have migrated to Hawaii since 1985 and that nearly 40 percent of them were living below the poverty level, affecting welfare, health care, and crime.23/

Endnotes:

FAIR estimate based on the 2006 Current Population Survey.
"Estimates of the Unauthorized Migrant Population for States based on the March 2005 CPS", Pew Hispanic Center.
Martin, Jack. “Breaking the Piggy Bank: How Illegal Immigration is Sending Schools into the Red,” A Report by the Federation for American Immigration Reform.
“State Rankings by Acreage and Rate of Non-Federal Land Developed,” Natural Resources Conservation Service, United States Department of Agriculture.
Beck, Roy and Leon Kolankiewicz, “Weighing Sprawl Factors in Large U.S. Cities,” NumbersUSA, March 2001
Selected Housing Characteristics: 2005 Data Set - 2005 American Community Survey, American Fact Finder, U.S. Census Bureau.
Haya El Nasser, “U.S. Neighborhoods Grow More Crowded,” USA Today, July 7, 2002.
Randy Capps, “Hardship Among Children of Immigrants: Findings from the 1999 National Survey of America’s Families,” Urban Institute, 2001.
“Hawaii State Factsheet,” Migration Information Source, Migration Policy Institute.
“Table DP-1-4, Profile of General Demographic Characteristics: 2000,” Census 2000, U.S. Census Bureau. \
Selected Social Characteristics: 2005 Data Set - 2005 American Community Survey, American Fact Finder, U.S. Census Bureau.
Report Card for America's Infrastructure 2005," American Society of Civil Engineers.
Ibid
“U.S. Population 2007 Data Sheet,” Population Reference Bureau.
Report Card for America's Infrastructure 2005," American Society of Civil Engineers.
"Public Elementary and Secondary School Student Enrollment, High School Completions, and Staff From the Common Core of Data: School Year 2005-06', National Center for Education Statistics, U.S. Department of Education, June 2007.
Projections of Education Statistics to 2015, National Center for Education Statistics, U.S. Department of Education.
"Public Elementary and Secondary School Student Enrollment, High School Completions, and Staff From the Common Core of Data: School Year 2005-06', National Center for Education Statistics, U.S. Department of Education, June 2007.
Jennifer Hiller, “Schools Facing Space Crunch,” Honolulu Advertiser, January 6, 2002.
Crystal Kua, “Crisis in Crowded Classrooms,” Honolulu Star-Bulletin, January 18, 2002.
Eloise Aguiar, “Space Crunch Hampers Schools,” Honolulu Advertiser, November 25, 2001.
Guerrero v. Clinton, 97-16395.
Associated Press, “Court Rejects Suit by Hawaii, Territories Over Immigration Impact,” October 13, 1998. Think about it.

Sorry, Images didn't post correctly:

And another link: http://www.fairus.org/site/PageNavigator/facts/state_data_HI

Hawaii

Summary Demographic State Data (and Source)
Population (2008 Census est.):	1,288,198
Population (2000 Census):	1,211,537
Foreign-Born Population (2008 FAIR est.):	217,610
Foreign-Born Population (2000 Census):	212,229
Share Foreign-Born (2008 FAIR est.):	17.6%
Share Foreign-Born (2000):	17.5%
Immigrant Stock (2000 CB est.):	433,000
Share Immigrant Stock (1997 est.):	35.7%
Naturalized U.S. Citizens (2006 CB est.):	120,587
Share Naturalized (2006):	57.4%
Legal Immigrant Admission (DHS 1997-2006):	59,730
Refugee Admission (DHS 1997-2006):	206
Illegal Alien Population (2008 FAIR est.):	20,000
Costs of Illegal Aliens (2005 FAIR)	$9,00,000
Projected 2050 Population (2006 FAIR)	1,812,670

Extended Immigration Data

STATE POPULATION

Using the Current Population Survey, the U.S. Census Bureau estimated that in July 2008 Hawaii’s population had increased to 1,288,198 residents, i.e., an annual average increase of about 9,235 residents since 2000. That is a rate of increase of about 0.7 percent per year.

Hawaii had the 14th highest rate of population increase in the country between 1960-2000.

NET INTERNATIONAL MIGRATION(NIM)

Based on the Current Population Survey, the Census Bureau estimated that between the 2000 Census and July 2008 the state’s population increased by about 31,315 residents from net international migration (more foreign-born arriving than leaving). That was an annual average increase of about 3,775 residents, i.e., more than two-fifths (40.9%) of the total increase (not including the children born to the immigrants after their arrival in the United States).

Hawaii Sources of Population Change 2000-08

The 2000 Census found 1,211,537 persons resident in Hawaii. This was an increase of 103,308 persons above the 1990 Census. The rate of increase (9.3%) was slightly lower than the national average of 9.9 percent for the country.

The 2000 population is about 45,000 more persons than the Census Bureau had expected to find in the state in 2000 when it issued its most recent state population projections in 1996. The significance of this is that the Census Bureau has concluded that much of the shortfall in their population estimates during the 1990s was due to an underestimation of the illegal alien population.

The population of Hawaii increased by 14.4 percent between 1980-1990 (from 964,691 to 1,108,229 residents).

FOREIGN-BORN POPULATION

Based on the American Community Survey (ACS), the U.S. Census Bureau estimated that the foreign-born population of Hawaii was 216,215 persons in 2006. The ACS is a large-scale, continuous sampling process designed to replace the need for a long-form in the 2010 Census. However, because the ACS does not have the same follow-up procedures as the Census to include non-respondents, it may underestimate the foreign-born population.

FAIR estimates that the foreign-born population of Hawaii was about 217,610 residents in July 2008. This meant a foreign-born population share of 17.6 percent. The amount of change since the 2000 Census indicates an average annual rate of increase in the foreign-born population of about 650 people, which is seven percent of the state’s annual average population increase. Since 2000, the foreign-born population has increased by 2.5 percent compared to a 7.1 percent increase in the native-born population.

Immigration also contributes to population growth through the children born to immigrants in this country. Nationally the share of births to the foreign-born is about double their share of the population. A 35.2 percent share of the state’s current births is large enough to account for about 6,345 births a year. Combining the increase in the foreign-born population and estimated immigrant births suggests that immigration may account for about 6,750 persons added to the state’s population annually, i.e., nearly three-fourths (73.1%) of the state’s overall population increase.

The 2000 Census recorded 212,229 foreign-born residents in the state. That was 17.5 percent of the state's overall population and an increase of 30.4 percent above the 1990 foreign-born population of 162,704 residents. That rate of increase in the immigrant population was much higher than the 5.7 percent increase in the state's native-born population, but it was lower than the national average increase in the foreign-born population of 57.4 percent.

A comparison of the increase in the immigrant population from 1990 with the change in the overall population during the same period shows that immigrant settlement directly accounted for 47.9 percent of the state's overall population increase over that decade. The share of the population increase due to immigration would be still higher if the children of the immigrants born here after their arrival were included with their immigrant parents in the calculation.

Hawaii Foreign-Born Population 1970-2008

The 2000 Census found that 34.1 percent of Hawaii's foreign-born population had arrived in the state since 1990. This demonstrates the effects of the current mass immigration, although it was a lower share than the national average (43.7%).

An indicator of the change in the immigrant population may be seen in data on the share of the population that speaks a language other than English at home. Between 1990 and 2000 the share of non-English speakers at home in Hawaii increased by more than three-quarters, from 14.7 percent to 26.1 percent. Less than half (47.5%) of those who said they spoke a language other than English at home in 2000 also said they spoke English less than very well.

Speakers of Foreign Languages (at home in Hawaii in the 2000 Census)
Tagalog	60,965
Japanese	56,225
Ilocano	45,900
Chinese	21,760
Hawaiian	19,045
Spanish	18,820
Korean	18,335
Samoan	11,530
Vietnamese	8,270
Cantonese	4,995
(Source: Census Bureau report: Language Spoken at Home for the Population 5 Years and Over, April 2004)

The Census Bureau’s American Community Survey found that in 2006, the foreign born population was 210,162 residents, an decrease of 1.0% percent since 2000. In comparison, the foreign-born population changed from 162,704 to 212,229 residents between 1990 and 2000, an increase of 30.4 percent.

The ten countries below constituted nearly three fifths (83.4%) of the foreign-born population in Hawaii in 2006. Philippines accounted for approximately one third alone (47.3%)

Foreign-Born Change Since 1990: Top Ten Countries 1990-2006
Rank	Country	1990	Country	2000	Country	2006
1	Philipines	73,841	Philippines	102,063	Philippines	99,341
2	Japan	19,102	Japan	20,590	Japan	19,499
3	Korea	13,265	China	20,241	China	18,063
4	China	10,068	Korea	17,202	Korea	15,641
5	Vietnam	5,556	Vietnam	8,775	Vietnam	7,393
6	Canada	3,947	Polynesia	5,974	Canada	6,746
7	Hong Kong	3,554	Micronesia	5,846	Mexico	2,915
8	Germany	2,509	Canada	3,743	Taiwan	2,777
9	W.Somoa	2,516	Germany	3,116	Germany	2,117
10	Taiwan	2,233	United Kingdom	2,155	United Kingdom	1,395
	All Other	26,032	All Others	22,524	All Others	34,875
	Total	162,704	Total	212,229	Total	210,162

Between the 2000 Census and the Census Bureau estimate for 2006, the foreign-born population in Hawaii decreased slightly by nearly 2,200 persons (1.0%). Latin America (including Mexico) increased by more than 1,100 immigrants (16.9%). Immigrants from Asia fell by 2.9% (about 5,500 people). Immigrants from Africa rose by 23.1% (240 persons). The immigrant population from Europe and Canada increased by nearly 2,100 persons (14.6%).

CONNECT TO LEGAL IMMIGRATION ADMISSIONS DATA

THE IMMIGRANT STOCK

The Census Bureau estimated that there were about 433,000 people in Hawaii in 2000 who were "immigrant stock." That is a term that refers to immigrants and their children born here after their arrival. Based on that estimate, and the population size of 1,211,537, the immigrant stock share of the state's population was about 35.7 percent -- the 2^nd highest share in the country.

As the graph below shows, the amount of Hawaii’s population change due to the increase in the foreign stock is rising rapidly. Over the past 34 years the new immigrants and children born to them have added about 322,100 people to the population. Over this period, the increase in the foreign stock has accounted for 63.6 percent of the state’s population increase.

Hawaii Foreign Stock

NATURALIZATION

Data from the 2006 American Community Survey indicate that 120,587 residents, or 57.4 percent, of the foreign-born population in Hawaii were citizens, compared to 127,532 residents, or 60.1 percent, in 2000.

Nationally, 40.3 percent of the foreign-born population was citizens in 2000, and 42.0 percent in 2006

Refugee Settlement
Hawaii has received 206 refugees over the most recent ten fiscal years (FY'97-'06) including five persons in FY’06.

Under the Office of Refugee Resettlement's (HH/ORR) assistance funding for FY'02 $75,000 is available for refugee employment training and other services programs in Hawaii based on a three-year refugee settlement program covering about 100 refugees. This allocation does not include a larger share (55%) of funding programs for communities heavily affected by recent Cuban and Haitian entrants, communities with refugees whose cultural differences make assimilation especially difficult, communities impacted by federal welfare reform changes, educational support to schools with significant refugee students, and discretionary grants. ORR grants for FY’05 and FY’06 respectively were $141,945 and $160,236..

LIMITED ENGLISH PROFICIENCY STUDENTS

Data are not available nationally on immigrant students (either legally or illegally resident in the United States) who are enrolled in primary and secondary schools (K-12). However, many of these students are enrolled in Limited English Proficiency/English Language Learning (LEP/ELL) instruction programs. Many may be U.S.-born, but the majority of these students may be assumed to be either immigrants or the children of immigrants, with the exception being areas with native Americans who speak a native language other than English.

In Hawaii, overall enrollment in 2002 (184,546) was 12 percent below enrollment in 1993. By contrast, LEP enrollment (13,173 - 7.1% of all enrollment) was 17.1 percent higher than a decade earlier.

Data on enrollment in LEP/ELL programs are collected by the federal government from school systems that receive Title VII funds for these special instruction programs. The data on LEP/ELL enrollment are understated because data from private schools that do not apply for Title VII assistance are sketchy.

IMMIGRANT CHILDREN

In 2000, about three-tenths of all of Hawaii's children are either foreign-born or the child of an immigrant. Five percent are first-generation immigrants (foreign born) and 25 percent are second-generation (a child of an immigrant).
(Source: "Check Points," The Urban Inst. Sept. 2, 2000)

FOREIGN STUDENTS

The 2006/07 annual report of the Institute of International Education (IIE) lists the number of foreign students attending post-secondary school in Hawaii as 6,032. Three schools in Hawaii are listed as having a major concentration of these students:

University of Hawaii had enrollment of 1,984 foreign students, 9.6% of total enrollment.

Hawaii Pacific University had enrollment of 1,247 foreign students, 15.4% of total enrollment.

Brighman Young University had enrollment of 1,201 foreign students, 48.2% of total enrollment.

Below, a chart illustrates the sharp increase of foreign students attending school in Hawaii from 1960-2000.

For information on foreign student issues see: Foreign Students in the United States.

ILLEGAL ALIENS

FAIR Estimate - FAIR estimates the state’s illegal alien population as of 2008 is as many as 20,000 persons. This is part of an overall estimate of the U.S. illegal alien population of about 13 million persons.

INS/DHS Estimate - The INS (now dissolved into the Dept. of Homeland Security) estimated in February 2003 that the resident illegal population in Hawaii was 2,000 as of January 2000. This number was actually 7,000 lower than the INS' 1996 estimate.

Other Estimates - The Pew Hispanic Center estimates the illegal alien population of the state at 2,000 to 3,500 as of 2005.

COST OF ILLEGAL ALIENS

Incarceration Costs- Hawaii has received partial compensation under the federal State Criminal Alien Assistance Program (SCAAP) that was established in 1994 to compensate the states and local jurisdictions for incarceration of "undocumented," aliens who are serving time for a felony conviction or at least two misdemeanors.

The recent SCAAP amounts that Hawaii has received were:

FY’99	—	$1,320,602
FY’00	—	$693,832
FY’01	—	$454,637
FY’02	—	$325,683
FY’03	—	$125,831
FY’04	—	$171,317

The amount of SCAAP awards has been declining in both total distributions and even more as a share of the state’s expenses. In FY’99 the state received 38.6% of its costs. FY'02 SCAAP data indicate that Hawaii's illegal alien inmate population had decreased by 23 percent from the 166 inmate years in FY'99 to 128 inmate years in FY'02, while compensation decreased by 75 percent, and then dropped much further.

Medical Costs- Under the Emergency Medical Treatment and Labor Act, hospitals with emergency rooms are required to treat and stabilize patients with emergency medical needs regardless whether or not they are in the country legally or whether they are able to pay for the treatment. Congress in 2003 enacted an appropriation of $250 million per year (for 4 years) to help offset some of the costs due to use of this service by illegal aliens. This amount has been allocated among the states based upon estimates of the illegal alien population and data on the apprehension of illegal aliens in each state. This amount compensates only a fraction of the medical outlays. For Hawaii, the proposed payment in fiscal year 2004 is $47,694.

Educational Costs- In our study Breaking the Piggy Bank: How Illegal Immigration is Sending Schools into the Red, we estimated based on 2004 data that educational expenditures for illegal immigration were costing the Hawaii taxpayer $7.2 million dollars annually. This cost was partially for educating students who were themselves illegally in the country ($3.0 million) and in part for the education of their siblings born in the United States to illegal residents ($4.2 million).

STATE CONGRESSIONAL DELEGATION VOTING RECORD

You can view the voting record of your representatives in Congress regarding immigration issues in our voting report section.

LOCAL ORGANIZATIONS

You can view a listing of local immigration reform organizations here.

You mean to tell me that in the state you live in, you must speak to the DIRECTOR of the Department of Health in order to get a copy of your long form birth certificate?? *coughcoughbullsheetcoughcough*

That is completely ridiculous. I had to speak to Dr. Alvin T. Onaka HIMSELF, PERSONALLY in order to get an UNCERTIFIED copy of my birth certificate. That is complete bullcrap.

Hawaii HAS a process for getting that copy. It has a legally spelled out process for it. Yet Onaka is holding onto ALL such requests, and doing NOTHING with them. NOTHING. Until you call trying to track down not only where your money went, because you have to PAY for that privilege, but also to find out why there has been NO RESPONSE whatsoever to your request. None. Nada. You have to call the office and get the runaround before (in my case after 4 months) finally speak to Onaka’s secretary in order to find out they are ALL sitting in Onaka’s office. Literally ignored until someone who has spent the darned money getting the money order and the return reciept requested form from the Post office PROVING you mailed it and the HDOH GOT the damned thing....

The corruption REEKS. Hawaii is hiding more than the cretin’s records. But they have to hide his in order to hide everything else. Once his is out there, then all the rest will be too.

Instead of trying to get the cretins records, we should have been looking at the real reason Hawaii is so desperate it is breaking its own laws on such a wide scale. It isn’t just the Cretin. Its Immigration fraud, welfare fraud, citizenship fraud.... maybe something else in there. All I am saying is that THIS is where we should be looking.

Hawaii has a REASON to hide all this. What is it? It isn’t just Barry. That much I am utterly certain of.

Back from delivering presents for a while.

The two people from the Ombudsman’s Office that signed off on the e-mail response to me don’t really understand state law?Strawman, since I never said that. I am not up on Hawaii (or any) state law to judge what would be used when a statute seems to forbid something and an older department rules document allows it. If you are not a legal expert on this either, I suspect we both could learn from someone who is.

But the HDOH is who the OIP is allowing to decide what can and can’t be disclosed according to UIPA.

UIPA, as I posted earlier, has an exclusion for private information, so this makes sense.

Bottom line here is that with the information currently available, you are not convincing me that there is a grand conspiracy in the HDOH. You have certainly convinced me that they are chaotic, contradictory and incompetent at setting consistent rules and following them. Accusing them of extraordinary crimes means you have to have good evidence of those crimes, not just of incompetence. When you find that they have issued a noncertified COLB to a nonqualified applicant, that's definitive evidence.

Merry Christmas.

Lots of information on immigration, but none of it proving that thousands of immigrants have fraudulently obtained Late birth certificates in Hawaii - which is what I questioned. (I know of only one verified case, which is Sun Yat Sen obtaining one in 1904, after several supporters submitted affadavits attesting to his birth in Hawaii in 1870.)

You mean to tell me that in the state you live in, you must speak to the DIRECTOR of the Department of Health in order to get a copy of your long form birth certificate??

No, I never said that.

Goodnight, and a Merry Christmas to you.

UIPA, as I posted earlier, has an exclusion for private information, so this makes sense.

Except the information in question supposedly isn't private. Obama is claiming to have already released it with his jpg, so all the DOH would be doing is confirming the legitimacy of that information. If that information is truly private, the UIPA protects the release of such information when there is a public interest. The DOH has admitted there is an unprecedented public interest. We really don't need to make unnecessary excuses.

12/19/10

Public Statement from Commander Charles Kerchner:

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LTC Terry Lakin stood up for us all in his effort to support and defend the Constitution.

The Congress has failed him when he wrote letters as a soldier to Congress people asking for a Congressional Inquiry into Obama’s exact legal identity like that same Congress investigated John McCain. The Congress did nothing.

The legal system in the USA both civilian and military failed him.

He has now paid the price for his courage. As I write this he is imprisoned in Ft. Leavenworth in Kansas starting a sentence of six months.

His wife was a stay at home mom raising their three young children. As part of his punishment he has lost all pay and benefits and any future retirement opportunities.

Upon release from prison he will be dismissed from the Army.

We must now stand up and financially support Terry Lakin and his family in his moment of need.

Please visit this website and make a financial contribution large or small to this specialized fund dedicated to supporting Terry and his family while he is imprisoned. I have.

http://www.TerryLakinActionFund.com/

I thank you in advance for any help you can give.

Sincerely,

CDR Charles Kerchner (Ret)
Lehigh Valley PA USA
http://www.ProtectOurLiberty.org/

http://obamareleaseyourrecords.blogspot.com/2010/12/free-terry-lakin-video-eyewitnesses.html

Huge boondoggle of graft and corruption there.
It’s clear there’s a huge # of immigrants there,
and I can only imagine the trillions that will
have gone under various covers to HI, since the
demon’s been in the WH. Just think of the census,
all the ACORN/types gathering and submitting that
info.

Just an FYI .. check if this is a valid point of
of interest (Hawaii Home Lands) and under
“secondary documents” here:

http://hawaii.gov/dhhl/applicants/appforms/applyhhl

You are not comprehending the meaning of “it shall be unlawful ... except as authorized by this part or by rules adopted by the department of health.”

Disclosure is unlawful unless the rules or law authorize disclosure. There is nothing in the law about non-certified certificates, so there is nothing to conflict with what the rules say there.

You said you would want the opinion of somebody who really knows the law. And I asked whether you were saying that the Ombudsman and her assistant are both ignorant of Hawaii law, that you don’t believe what they’ve said. It’s a valid question. The “No true Scotsman” logical fallacy is at play if you say you want an expert opinion but if an opinion doesn’t agree with yours you say the expert isn’t really an expert.

This is what I have been accused of doing, but it isn’t the disagreeing with me that makes a difference to me, nor their alleged expertise - only whether the argument they give is inwardly consistent and matches other sources of evidence including the actual words being interpreted.

The OIP has issued a LOT of Opinion Letters detailing what records are public v what are private, and what information is discloseable. If a document MAY be disclosed it is a public document. Any public document must be disclosed, although some information which holds a privacy interest is to be redacted unless the document itself is REQUIRED by law to be publicly disclosed. The OIP has ruled that birth date, social security number, and address have a privacy interest.

Basically we could argue about this forever. You have it set in your mind what is the only thing you will accept as evidence and any other evidence can be darned. So there’s pretty much no point in discussing this any more. Any disclosure that you would be too old for the record of the disclosure to exist any more, so you’re pretty safe from ever having to worry your head over this.

Merry Christmas.

Well, it’s pretty obvious you continue a thing about howthings really work in Hawaii.

Say, you know things are pretty corrupt in Chicago right? Prove it. Oh wait.... That’s right, when those who are in power, they can cover their tracks and threaten everyone involved if they tell, then hand out bonuses etc.

You are a fool SL. It will take an impartial investigation of Hawaii’s records to provide the “Proof” you demand. Why do you think it is me, a nobody who just happens to have lived there, was born there, who is bringing it up? What? Did 60 minutes cover it? Katie Couric? No wait, yea Eric Holder is all over it silly me....

Do the math SL. it is not that hard. Hawaii is more corrupt than Chicago. And unlike the mainland - the continental U.S., there isn’t a lot of square acreage on Oahu to hide on if you piss off the wrong people. There is no where to go and jobs are limited for former state workers. You catching on yet?

You are the one who tried to make having to speak to the Director of HDOH seem like a normal bureaucratic event. It’s NOT. and you know it.

Answer the question, because it IS a valid question that demands an answer. WHY??? was it necessary? Answer THAT question, because it is more important and bigger than Obama.

Is there any question whatsoever that elections have consequences and we have to vote the Marxists out from top to bottom?

Tough task but we are well on our way.

The eligibility issue should have been decided by the Supreme court by now. Its an atrocity of justice that is has not.

Just sent a message to Lakin via the Action Fund site. Found out somebody put my daughter’s e-mail address on a spammer list - probably when I was using her computer to communicate. The same thing happened with my e-mail address when I was communicating with the HDOH about the 1961 birth index.

If my e-mail address is on a spammer list will it keep people from receiving e-mails from me if they have a spam filter? Do spam filters consult the spammer lists? How does a person get their address off the spammer list? And is there a way to find out who has put the address on a spammer list?

I’m sick of these crooks trying to mess with my communications. Now I have to find out if a few people I’ve been contacting haven’t responded because they never got my e-mail. Too much stuff to do even without this kind of crap to have to mess with. Ugh.

???

Merry Christmas

I agree. After his tour is finished and he has orders to return to the states, he should then refuse those orders, miss movement, and stay over there. That would certainly get some attention to his cause.