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Jury Convicts Army 'Birther' Who Refused Deployment to Afghanistan
FoxNews.com ^ | 12/15/2010 | Staff

Posted on 12/15/2010 12:54:18 PM PST by OldDeckHand

A military jury has convicted an Army doctor who disobeyed orders to deploy to Afghanistan because he questions President Obama's eligibility for office.

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TOPICS: Breaking News; Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Government
KEYWORDS: army; certifigate; didnttakelong; fgsitsnotpalin; lakin; military; naturalborncitizen; notaboutpalin; obama; palin; ucmj
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To: FW190

He should have never pled guilty.


281 posted on 12/15/2010 7:09:28 PM PST by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: freekitty

He should have never pled guilty.

281 posted on Wednesday, December 15, 2010 9:09:28 PM by freekitty


Yes he made a terrible mistake, listening to Puckett.


282 posted on 12/15/2010 7:13:39 PM PST by FS11
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To: freekitty; Red Steel; butterdezillion; Fred Nerks; Las Vegas Ron; hoosiermama; exit82; PA-RIVER

Call-in Number: (347) 324-5546 for Dwight Sullivan
etc. from CAAFlog on now for another 58 minutes


283 posted on 12/15/2010 7:18:17 PM PST by STARWISE (The overlords are in place .. we are a nation under siege .. pray, go Galt & hunker down)
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To: freekitty; Red Steel; butterdezillion; Fred Nerks; Las Vegas Ron; hoosiermama; exit82; PA-RIVER

Call-in Number: (347) 324-5546 for Dwight Sullivan
etc. from CAAFlog on now for another 58 minutes

Here’s the link

Blog Talk Radio

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/show.aspx?userurl=rcr&year=2010&month=12&day=16&url=rc-radio-special—lakin-court-martial-day-2


284 posted on 12/15/2010 7:21:07 PM PST by STARWISE (The overlords are in place .. we are a nation under siege .. pray, go Galt & hunker down)
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To: P-Marlowe

Everything I’ve read says that he’s a very capable surgeon. Financially, he’ll do well no matter what. The problem will be imprisonment. Honestly, though, he shouldn’t receive any greater punishment than what is the norm for missing movement.

If you miss movement because you’ll lose your girlfriend, or because you flee to Canada, that seems much more punishable than missing movement because of a significant political issue that you took a stand on (and with bad legal advice.)


285 posted on 12/15/2010 7:23:02 PM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain & proud of it: Truly Supporting the Troops means praying for their Victory!)
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To: FW190
Those of you FRers who want to argue that Lakin disobeyed a direct order from Lakin's commanding officer, Hear this. Lakin's commanding officer has NO authority over Lakin unless it comes from that commander's superior officer and that chain of command continues going up until it rest with ONE man, POTUS.

You're just plain wrong. The military, in this case the Army, operates under the laws of Title 10 of the U.S. Code. Congress has granted authority for various military functions to various military officers via Title 10. Congress grants commissions to officers, which are signed by the POTUS. Those officers have statutory authority under Title 10 for their command.

That means their orders are lawful regardless of Obama's eligibility. An ineligible POTUS does not make Title 10 null and void.

286 posted on 12/15/2010 7:27:26 PM PST by BuckeyeTexan (There are those that break and bend. I'm the other kind.)
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To: usmcobra
And what part of this phrase do you not understand: "And the children of citizens of the United States that may be born beyond sea, or out of the limits of the United States, shall be considered as natural born citizens:"?

The full sentence - and it helps to be able to read an entire sentence - runs:

"And the children of citizens of the United States that may be born beyond sea, or out of the limits of the United States, shall be considered as natural born citizens: Provided, That the right of citizenship shall not descend to persons whose fathers have never been resident in the United States: Provided also, That person heretofore proscribed by any State, shall be admitted as a citizen as aforesaid, except by an act of Legislature of the State in which such person was proscribed."

287 posted on 12/15/2010 7:40:25 PM PST by Mr Rogers (Poor history is better than good fiction, and anything with lots of horses is better still)
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To: OldDeckHand; All

“He’s probably going to get hammered at sentencing.”

Time to disband the JAG Corps in all services. In the Lakin case they were just like the SS operating NAZI death camps. They were just “doing their job.”

If we want souless government functionaries then they need to be separate from the military. COL Lind is a disgrace to the uniform - there is nothing honorable in her. IMO she has spit on the constitution.


288 posted on 12/15/2010 7:49:44 PM PST by Sola Veritas (Trying to speak truth - not always with the best grammar or spelling)
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To: exit82
Agreed. Nice shafting job by Dobson and his wife,IMHO.

That's a disgraceful comment.

Major Dobson had to pack his bags on short notice, taking Lakin's spot in Afghanistan and tending to American soldiers wounded in battle He's the one true hero in this whole pitiful affair.

289 posted on 12/15/2010 7:50:38 PM PST by Drew68
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To: Drew68
The growing list of solid conservatives and patriots that have to be trashed in order to keep birtherism alive is stunning.

The military, the courts, all conservative media...the list goes on and on.

290 posted on 12/15/2010 7:56:57 PM PST by Tex-Con-Man
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To: STARWISE; jamese777; usmcobra

“How about including the links for that and the other data you post?”

The decision of the Indiana court can be found here:

http://www.in.gov/judiciary/opinions/pdf/11120903.ebb.pdf

” Also, as quoted in Wong Kim Ark, Justice Joseph Story once declared in Inglis v. Trustees of Sailors; Snug Harbor, 28 U.S. (3 Pet.) 99 (1830), that “Nothing is better settled at the common law than the doctrine that the children, even of aliens, born in a country, while the parents are resident there under the protection of the government, and owing a temporary allegiance thereto, are subjects by birth.” Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. at 660, 18 S. Ct. at 461 (quoting Inglis, 28 U.S. (3 Pet.) at 164 (Story, J., concurring))...

...Based upon the language of Article II, Section 1, Clause 4 and the guidance provided by Wong Kim Ark, we conclude that persons born within the borders of the United States are “natural born Citizens” for Article II, Section 1 purposes, regardless of the citizenship of their parents. Just as a person “born within the British dominions [was] a natural-born British subject” at the time of the framing of the U.S. Constitution, so too were those “born in the allegiance of the United States [] natural-born citizens.”15

Notes: 14 We note the fact that the Court in Wong Kim Ark did not actually pronounce the plaintiff a “natural born Citizen” using the Constitution’s Article II language is immaterial. For all but forty-four people in our nation’s history (the forty-four Presidents), the dichotomy between who is a natural born citizen and who is a naturalized citizen under the Fourteenth Amendment is irrelevant. The issue addressed in Wong Kim Ark was whether Mr. Wong Kim Ark was a citizen of the United States on the basis that he was born in the United States. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. at 705, 18 S. Ct. at 478.”


291 posted on 12/15/2010 8:00:28 PM PST by Mr Rogers (Poor history is better than good fiction, and anything with lots of horses is better still)
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To: omega4179

As a military retiree, I know that we shouldn’t have a debate and a vote every time we get deployment orders because someone questions them. That why the MCM states that orders given through ones normal chain should be presumed to be valid orders.

An Army at wartime is not a debating society.


292 posted on 12/15/2010 8:00:30 PM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain & proud of it: Truly Supporting the Troops means praying for their Victory!)
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To: EyeGuy

what are a few lives to the great obama


293 posted on 12/15/2010 8:00:51 PM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: Drew68
"internet conspiracy nuts"

Talking about nuts on the Internet:

Look here:

294 posted on 12/15/2010 8:04:58 PM PST by Red Steel
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To: Drew68

I appreciate and honor Ltc. Lakin’s replacement’s service
and sacrifice as I always do for all our awesome troops.

And I’m sure the prosecution would make sure
that, in light of their mission, his replacement
would give a very rich testimony.

God bless and protect all our brave troops.


295 posted on 12/15/2010 8:20:59 PM PST by STARWISE (The overlords are in place .. we are a nation under siege .. pray, go Galt & hunker down)
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To: Tex-Con-Man
The growing list of solid conservatives and patriots that have to be trashed in order to keep birtherism alive is stunning.

And it is an absolute embarrassment that such posts (and those who wrote them) are allowed to remain here on Free Republic.

296 posted on 12/15/2010 8:24:32 PM PST by Drew68
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To: EyeGuy

what are a few lives to the great obama


297 posted on 12/15/2010 8:30:27 PM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: xzins

bull hockey

you never presume they are valid

you are supposed to question any order you think may be illegal


298 posted on 12/15/2010 8:32:19 PM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: Tex-Con-Man; Drew68
The growing list of solid conservatives and patriots that have to be trashed in order to keep birtherism alive is stunning.

The military, the courts, all conservative media...the list goes on and on.

... and half or more of all Free Republic users. Boy, you nailed that one. The Birther Narrative has significant collateral damage.

299 posted on 12/15/2010 8:33:00 PM PST by BuckeyeTexan (There are those that break and bend. I'm the other kind.)
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To: STARWISE

How about including the links for that
and the other data you post?


Sure. This will get you started:
http://www.in.gov/judiciary/opinions/pdf/11120903.ebb.pdf

Just let me know what else that you would like a link to.


300 posted on 12/15/2010 8:40:55 PM PST by jamese777
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