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Army birther pleads guilty to 1 of 2 charges
AP ^ | December 14, 2010 | AP

Posted on 12/14/2010 9:25:59 AM PST by Smokeyblue

An Army doctor who disobeyed orders to deploy to Afghanistan because he questions Barack Obama's eligibility to be president has pleaded guilty to 1 of 2 charges against him.

At a court-martial proceeding Tuesday in Maryland, Lt. Col. Terrence Lakin of Greeley, Colo., pleaded guilty to not meeting with a superior when ordered to do so and not showing up at Fort Campbell in Kentucky where he was supposed to report.

(Excerpt) Read more at wkrn.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: army; birthcertificate; birther; certifigate; lakin; military; naturalborncitizen
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To: butterdezillion; BuckeyeTexan

Add to that B.T., WHY was Gen. McCeystal meeting your usurper “pResident” on AF1 at Kastrup Airport, face to face???


941 posted on 12/16/2010 10:43:25 AM PST by danamco (")
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To: onyx; penelopesire; maggief; hoosiermama; SE Mom; seekthetruth; television is just wrong; jcsjcm; ..

New info . #931


942 posted on 12/16/2010 10:48:24 AM PST by STARWISE (The overlords are in place .. we are a nation under siege .. pray, go Galt & hunker down)
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To: OldDeckHand

“I wonder what the TC and DC recommended.”

If I read this correctly, the CAAF blog touches on this.

“The prosecution asked for dismissal, confinement for 24 months, and forfeiture of all pay and allowances. The trial counsel who argued noted that in LTC Lakin’s unsworn statement, his focus was always on himself: how he was concerned about the President’s eligibility, how he felt his concerns needed to be addressed, and so on, until the moment came to accept responsibility — at which point the accused focused on other people and how they let him down or supposedly misled him. The prosecutor also noted that at no point during LTC Lakin’s tearful discussion of his family or during his apologia to the commander did LTC Lakin see fit to mention MAJ Dobson or the hardships endured by anyone else as a result of LTC Lakin’s actions. Trial counsel tied the request for 24 months to the period of time the accused should have been in theatre: 2 days for every day he was not with the 1-32 Cav overseas.

The defense asked for a reprimand, “some” forfeiture of pay, and restriction to geographical limits (generally, such limits are to the limits of the base, or of some other geographical area, in the discretion of the convening authority). He argued for no dismissal and no confinement. The defense’s parting words to the members: “Merry Christmas.” “


943 posted on 12/16/2010 10:51:46 AM PST by El Sordo (The bigger the government, the smaller the citizen.)
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To: danamco
Do your own research...there have been numerous posts on Lakin threads comparing our military following chain of command to “just following orders” ...including JPG’s of Nazi soldiers.

Some birthers don't care who they disparage if it means keeping birtherism alive.

944 posted on 12/16/2010 11:01:36 AM PST by Tex-Con-Man
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To: STARWISE

Thank you for the ping. Unbelievable! I feel like we are close to being Venezuela.


945 posted on 12/16/2010 11:05:16 AM PST by mojitojoe (In itÂ’s 1600 years of existence, Islam has 2 main accomplishments, psychotic violence and goat curr)
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To: BuckeyeTexan

Consolidating my response here to several of your posts. I have read what you gave me. And I am tremendously thankful to you for posting the references. You are one of the only people who disagrees with me on this who is citing the legal sources. What you have provided is far more than Dwight Sullivan’s entire blog was willing to provide me. Regardless of how we come out in the final analysis, whether to agree or to disagree, I have to respect the factual responses you have given and admire the epistemology that prompts you to give them. You’re a good guy, Buckeye, and what we disagree doesn’t change that a bit.

I also appreciated your input and help on coming up with an apology on this thread. I think you saw there was a misunderstanding in progress and wanted it cleared up because you do care about fairness and about people. Again, nothing we disagree about keeps me from seeing that basic quality of your character. Thank you for being who you are.

I think the conflict between our views regards what it means that the SecDef must have the approval of the President. What you cited was statute. When the words “shall” or “must” are used in statutes it is an imperative. So the SecDef is not legally allowed to do the things described in that section without first having the approval of the President. The authority for the SecDef to do those things is legally dependent on the approval of a valid President.

So the statute itself makes the authority for the chain of command to deploy troops totally dependent on the approval of the President. How, then, can Judge Lind say that the approval of a valid President is “irrelevant” to whether one particular link in the chain of command (brigade commanders) had the authority to issue combat force deployment orders?

She talks about Congress having authority over the military - but the authority Congress gave the SecDef is expressly dependent on a valid President’s approval, and the authority for the chain of command within the military structure is dependent on the approval of the SecDef. So Congress’ oversight of the military does not CONTRADICT or SUPERSEDE the President as the source for authority down the chain of command; it actually codifies it - at least in regard to combat authorization, which is what is at issue with Lakin’s deployment orders.


946 posted on 12/16/2010 11:05:22 AM PST by butterdezillion
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To: El Sordo
"If I read this correctly, the CAAF blog touches on this."

Thanks. I'm at my courthouse using their local wifi and for some reason, I can't get onto CAAFlog.

Interesting, but perhaps smart tactical maneuver by TC in not asking for the max - you don't want to appear too greedy OTOH, I wonder what Puckett was thinking in not recommending any confinement. That, IMHO, was stupid.

947 posted on 12/16/2010 11:05:29 AM PST by OldDeckHand
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To: butterdezillion

You have made a compelling argument. You should write a book. I’m serious about that. The world needs to realize what a danger Soros is to the world and to freedom.


948 posted on 12/16/2010 11:06:22 AM PST by Greenperson
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To: Tex-Con-Man
The must be sacrifices for The Cause.
949 posted on 12/16/2010 11:10:59 AM PST by El Sordo (The bigger the government, the smaller the citizen.)
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To: rxsid
...he had to bring a copy of his birth certificate Everybody needs to show their birth certificate, but the Obamamessiah.

950 posted on 12/16/2010 11:17:24 AM PST by Beckwith (A "natural born citizen" -- two American citizen parents and born in the USA.)
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To: Tex-Con-Man
Some birthers don't care who they disparage if it means keeping birtherism alive.

Ha, ha, ha, gag!

Your most ridiculous statement yet.



951 posted on 12/16/2010 11:22:38 AM PST by Beckwith (A "natural born citizen" -- two American citizen parents and born in the USA.)
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To: butterdezillion; OldDeckHand

There is NO doubt as to WHO it was who ordered and sent 30,000 extra troops to Afghanistan, check it out @ 0:50 on the Tube!

And I presume that Lt.Col. Terry Lakin was included in that ORDER, period, yet a total Kangaroo trial is what we are witnessing!!

Or have the political appointed brazz just sent a special separate one-time order to Lt.Col. Lakin in order to cover their poor asses???

They ALL very conveniently side-stepped the CONSTITUTION which was the corner stone of Lt.Col. Terry’s question as whether the usurper “pResident”(?) was qualified to give this 30K troop order, and they railroaded his CONSTITUTIONAL rights, as well as for the rest of us, to be assured that this “un-lawful”(?) order was/is lawful, which is STILL hanging in the air!!!


952 posted on 12/16/2010 11:23:05 AM PST by danamco (")
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To: rxsid

The ghoulish “experts” at Sullivan’s blog think it’s a game, complete with hoots and hollers.

It’s actually a deadly duel, with innocent men and women caught in the crossfire between the US Constitution/rule of law and a communist-Islamist cabal hell-bent on destroying this land and everything America has traditionally stood for.

Lakin stood in for me and for all his brothers-in-arms who have the same love of Constitution and same concerns.

The incredibly troubling aspect of the report you copied here was this:

“He went to Capitol Hill for face-to-face meetings with one Congressman and high-level staffers. He was told that the issue was a concern, but the media ridiculed it, so they let it go.”

THE MEDIA RIDICULED IT SO THEY LET IT GO.

I just got back from playing organ for the funeral of a WWII army vet, but that statement right there has me wanting to cuss a blue streak. The Greatest Generation stared a madman and the armies that were routing Europe full in the face and preferred to be dead rather than to let him march over everything they hold dear.

But our Congress-critters, sitting in the lap of luxury on our dime, are fully prepared to let the ridicule of the media hold this nation hostage?

No..... frickin’....... way!!!!!


953 posted on 12/16/2010 11:26:25 AM PST by butterdezillion
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To: humblegunner

Iran enters the picture as a test-run to see how the MCM works according to Lind’s analysis.

Change the destination of the deployment orders to Iran and run it through Denise Lind’s processing. What do you come up with?


954 posted on 12/16/2010 11:29:02 AM PST by butterdezillion
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To: butterdezillion
It’s a theory. I can’t prove it, but there is a lot to support the plausibility of the theory. Stuff for serious minds to ponder.

You left out the part where the invaders from Mars put red diode crystals into the neck of John McCain to get him to say that Obama was a natural born citizen.

955 posted on 12/16/2010 11:31:26 AM PST by Lurking Libertarian (Non sub homine, sed sub Deo et lege)
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To: butterdezillion
What do you come up with?

I come up with you continuing to put Iran into the picture to either muddy the waters or confuse the issue.

Were there or were there not orders to deploy to Iran?

956 posted on 12/16/2010 11:32:30 AM PST by humblegunner (Blogger Overlord)
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To: Beckwith
Your most ridiculous statement yet.

Willfully acknowledging your professional status of making ridiculous statements, I am inclined to consider your admonition with all the seriousness it deserves.

957 posted on 12/16/2010 11:35:10 AM PST by Tex-Con-Man
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To: jamese777

Consider the irony:
butterdezillion:
Not only do I believe it, I know it. I have the copies that come as close as anything we could have to prove that the microfilms were changed out.


jamese777: And yet NONE of your “evidence” has ever been submitted to an investigating body for corroboration.
*********

Nor has Barry’s COLB. I’m sure butterdezillion will be more than happy to present her evidence to an investigating body for corroboration, if Barry Soetoro would do the same.


958 posted on 12/16/2010 11:37:20 AM PST by Greenperson
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To: Tex-Con-Man

I have not disparaged anyone regarding chain of command, except to say that the chain of command is NOT being followed, because the head has been cut off of it.

What I HAVE done is ask this question, applying the logic the anti-Lakin folks use to a case where we have the benefit of hindsight:

Soldier A is ordered: Move the prisoners to the shower area. Soldier B is ordered: Turn on the shower. Soldier C is ordered: Remove the dead bodies from the shower area and place them in the open pit. Which of these orders was “unlawful” under the US MCM and Denise Lind’s analysis?

Nobody has even tried to touch that question. Instead, they accuse me of “disparaging” the US military.

The US military has a fantastic code, a fantastic chain of command, and a fantastic Manual for Courts-Martial - all of which would prevent the US from ever becoming the despicable mess that the German military became, IF IT WAS ALLOWED TO BE FOLLOWED. And right now there is a big battle between those who want to neuter the greatness built into our system by refusing to allow the protections we’ve been given to actually be utilized.

We are at a critical point in this nation’s history. We have communists and Islamists alike who have vowed to destroy this country from within, by infiltrating and using our own system against itself, like a flesh-eating bacteria or a slip-knot that only tightens worse when someone tries to undo it. If we don’t wake up and see the python around our neck before it’s too late, there will be no way to survive this deadly attack.

And THAT makes the hardships of the doctor who had to replace Lakin seem like small beans in the big scheme. The fact that Obama is refusing to allow light to shine on the flesh-eating bacteria tells us EXACTLY whose side he is on. Slithering snake.


959 posted on 12/16/2010 11:39:32 AM PST by butterdezillion
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To: El Sordo

I’m testing it with the Iran scenario. When I change the destination of the deployment order to Iran and plug it into Lind’s handy-dandy “Turbo Tax Program” I come out with it being totally irrelevant whether a valid President has approved the use of force in Iran.

So you tell me. Do you think her handy-dandy program does the processing right?


960 posted on 12/16/2010 11:42:26 AM PST by butterdezillion
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